EuroHockey Indoor Championships Pt. 1 – Rules Explained | #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 146

📅 Feb 7 19.00 GMT
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The men's European Hockey Indoor Championships lit up Leuven, and we have clips to discuss and questions to ponder! Saving the ball out of the air, playing the outlet, can a PC runner be drilled, when is a raised ball raised, and more.

Our popular Skill Session is on a skill for both the shed and the turf: radio communication.

Even if you're only indoor-curious, you're not going to want to miss this deep dive! See you there.

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⏱ Chapter Markers:

0:00 Chair Dancing
03:23 Topics!
05:35 1. Hitting the Save Out of the Air: POLvGER (M) European Hockey Indoor Championship Final
19:43 2. Playing the Outlet: AUTvBEL (M) European Hockey Indoor Championship 3rd Place
37:01 3. Can the PC Runner Be Drilled? : BELvGER SF (M) European Hockey Indoor Championship Semi-Final
53:49 4. Skill Session: Radio Communication
01:18:32 5. Raised or Not? AUTvBEL (M) European Hockey Indoor Championship 3rd Place
01:27:28 6. Delay Injecting Or Feinting? ESPvCRO (M) European Hockey Indoor Championship

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Transcript

Hello, third team, Keely Dunn, FHumpires. It is great to see you. I am, yeah, I'm, I'm in a good mood. Let's go. We are going to do indoor stuff today. Mostly. Our skill session today is going to be something that we can talk about in either. Uh, please do let me know in the chat, make sure that my sound is okay.

I'm just going to just do a sound check every time. And just ask for your assistance because I just don't believe it. I don't believe my tests. I did a very thorough test, but I just, I don't know. I don't know. This is what we're doing today. We are going to look at a hit save out of the air playing the outlet.

Mm hmm. Can the penalty corner runner be drilled? Question mark. A skill session on radio communication. Radio silence. Raised or not. Uh, delay on the injection or fainting. That's also penalty, uh, corner and control elevator stuff if we get to it. We may, we may not. Uh, let's, let's see. How we doing? Um, just, let's get through all the rest of the folks.

Rachel's got a Shiraz. Oh, Ian's going to, uh, he's going to join after finishing umpiring. There we go. Yeah. Apologies for the delay. Good to see you, Scott. And, um, Legalize Marinera is, is here. Okay. That's not his name, but it's his avatar and it's very funny. So there you go, Dave and Frank and wait, Goldie Keeper.

Are we friends yet? We are now. Hi. Great to have you. There you go. Uh, Blaze loves the tune. Yes, we are remembering Tex. Big, big impact on, uh, everybody in England, and for those of you dealing with GMS, you're missing Tex even more. Uh, the sound is great. Thank you very much. And, yeah, Blaze, I'll send you, um, a link.

Why is that not coming up? Friends, there we go. I'll, I'll send you where you can find the tune. Uh, Jillian Lineker? Linetaker? There you go. And yeah, okay. Excellent. And yes, Indor was absolutely one of Tex's biggest loves. So, um, he did so much to develop a lot of people and a lot of hockey. So thank you, Tex.

We're thinking of you. All right. Um, Let's get started, shall we? Shall we just jump in? Are you ready for some indoor goodness? Let's go. Hitting the save out of the air.

Let's have a look at this tasty little treat. I mean, it was just the final. It was no big deal. Nobody was bothered.

Okay, so I thought I'd start off with an easier one. There is a poll in the discord, of course, that should have been inserted into the chat. Hopefully it's popped up there. Did it actually get in there? It doesn't look like it did. Am I about to be disappointed with all of my tests and it not actually

I am discouraged. I'm discouraged and dismayed, because that should have Oh, something's broken. It did? Nope, it did. No, see, you just used a negative for a positive here, Martin. You're not helping me. Nope, it did. What does that mean? Yes or no? You can't be all fuzzy with a Canadian, it's, it's tricky. Okay. Oh, I need

I need my calming music. Let's go back into it. Okay, so just to review the rules, because it's always fun to look at the rules, and I'm gonna make I'm gonna get to the right page, and then we're gonna make it nice and big. Okay, first of all, we do know that players must not play the ball. This is 9. 7 here.

Players must not play the ball with any part of the stick when the ball is above shoulder height except defenders. I don't know why. Yeah. I don't even know why they have this above shoulder height thing because we can't play the ball out of the air anyway So at what height could the ball possibly be like if the ball's at hip height, it's still out of the air And anyway, hey, we're gonna have to write this down on a magical list of things that I wish I could change about the rules There we go.

So it's this provision here. Let's change this color. That's a gross color, but I'm still gonna use it. Okay, there we go. When saving a shot a goal, defender must not be penalized if their stick is not motionless or is traveling towards the ball while attempting to stop or deflect the shot. So if the stick is moving, one of the saves that I've Actually successfully accomplished it in door is the I'm on the left post and I'm ducking this way because look at this face You don't want to crush this face so I'm ducking this way and I bring my stick with me and my stick goes where my face just used to be and It's moving towards the ball and then the ball is deflected over the back line as this guidance Oh, and I'm circling it and you can't see it because there we go.

It's only if the ball is generally hit and a goal is prevented should a penalty stroke be awarded. Okay. So this is a rule that you may not see very often in practice, but it is absolutely one that we need to know very well. And in the case of our good friend here, Peter, In the final, he was not confused, fooled, or any way, shape, or form, um, and nailed it right at the first time.

So that, I think, for all people, could be considered a genuine hit. Part of it is the stick motion. Another part of it is the forces exerted on the ball. If he had managed to sort of deflect, you know, if the ball had gone over the crossbar or around the post in more of a deflected motion. I think it would've been different.

There would, but the motion back towards where the ball came from, that is an oppositional force that is definitely a genuine hit. Okay, so when you have to change the direction of the ball so dramatically, and this comes into play when we're determining whether a ball is hit on a penalty corner, when it's the first shot at goal and that sort of thing.

By the way, as we've talked about several times over the last several weeks. That's something to consider. Do we have any questions about all of that? Okay. You can't see Yes, it appeared. Uh, but Rachel can't see any links. I don't understand. Did it come over the keeper on the way through, Marcus? Did it come off the keeper on the way through?

Um, doesn't matter in this case if it did or did not. And if you feel it does, tell me more. Let's talk about this, okay?

But otherwise It's, it's, it's one of the, it's one of the not, it's not,

tricky, other than trying to remember it.

Okay. What you might be thinking about. Marcus, and let's see if I can find, um, the part where the ball is raised. Let's see if I'm reading your mind,

okay? So, this part might be what you're thinking about, Marcus, that players, mmph.

You know, I'm really bad with a pencil. There we go. Does that look a little more artistic? There we go. Players must not play the ball when it's in the air, except a player from the team which did not put the ball in the air may stop it. So it kind of overlaps, but really they're talking about is the stopping of a shot at goal.

And it would be the same thing. The goalkeeper just, the goalkeeper, if it's, if it's off the, if the goalkeeper doesn't touch it. The player still can't hit the ball out of the air. Okay? Because it still, even more so, needs to be ball to stick and not stick to ball. So that the, the, this restriction is even more serious.

Does that help? Did I do that? It was just a what if. If they didn't move their stick in a hit, but it deflected it right off the keeper. Yeah, we can do lots of hypotheticals. But your girl starts to get confused. Bernat, nice to see you. I think you're new. And you're asking Bernat, what would I award? I would award a penalty stroke.

So if you're asking me to answer my own poll, I will go and I will place a vote. Actually, I won't do that, because there's just too many screens open already. I can't, I can't do all that at once. There you go, and Lockie's here, good to see you. Lockie's doing lots of indoor down in Australia, so, uh, looking forward to debriefing Lockie on Friday.

Our Friday is Saturday, so if you are a YOLO member, you're gonna want to get on board with that. If you're awake, it's gonna be at, I don't know. I'm gonna ship a ship math. Uh, one o'clock in the morning for UK folks. Ryan's here. There you go. 13 votes on Discord. Okay. Ah! You're new? Oh, good! Well then, I gave you the right thing.

Let's have a look at the poll. Um, that didn't scroll the right poll, but that's okay because, you know, all I have to do, there were some things going wonky before the stream, as always, as always, it's my favorite part. Oh, let's go. I think it's this one here. Hitting the bell out of the air. How did we do?

Wait. Oh, we were so close to unanimous. So close. Because this is the answer we are looking for. You can change your vote, by the way. I'm just kidding. You don't have to do that just so I can hit the confetti button. That's not super important, but this is the one. And of course, Fraser chimes in with the three penalty strokes, one for each team and one for the umpires, which is the best non existent award in hockey.

All right. Fantastic.

Look, somebody's got to keep me giggling around here. Just a couple of quick, uh, flowers that I wanted to give out. First of all, I wanted to shout out Ellen because Ellen has returned for a sojourn in the United Kingdom and she's doing a, I'm sorry, what did you say? A postdoctorate at Oxford? Yes. Girl, she, yes, she is doing a postdoctorate at Oxford University.

And what, something I can't even pronounce, okay? I can't even, it's like something to do with astrophysics. But I actually don't know what her doctorate's about, technically. So, Ellen, put that in the server, cause I'd like to be even more impressed than I already am with you. We welcome, we, the, the English folk, welcome you back to Simon Central, and look forward to having you there for the time that you're around.

That's gonna be awesome. Um, there you go. Okay. I'll come back to some of those comments that are still on the last topic in a second. And then The aforementioned in the chat, Blaze, I just, I wanted to give him a shout out because Blaze has bought, uh, he bought like two courses in one day, which is just like, oh my god, wow.

That was just so exciting for me. And I sent him an email just basically saying, dang, and This was his response and, and it was just something that really stuck out to me. So he, he talks here about how he's using indoor hockey as a way to help accelerate his decision making. And if you haven't tried indoor hockey, this ties in with the whole show.

If you haven't tried to umpire indoor hockey and you're like. Hmm, I wonder how I can, you know, bone up my whistle speed and my decision making and my sharpness and my anticipation and all that stuff. Do indoor, because you will be going, you will, you will compress a, I don't know, four outdoor matches in one half of indoor.

The number of decisions you need to make and the time in which you have is, is literally one eighth of what you would have. On an outdoor pitch. So, this is absolutely a great strategy that, um, Blaze is using. And he's talking about how, so he's from, uh, Virginia, Glenallen, Virginia in the USA. And how he doesn't have any formal training, but he's a hockey dad and wanted to be able to support his daughter, uh, in, in her game and support the game in general because of what it's giving to, to her.

And, you know, he's gonna shift back to all the other stuff, but this is the thing that he says right here is that he's putting in the effort because that's what the players in the game deserve. They're giving their time and effort, so should I.

My other buttons aren't working. How you like that? That's right, friends. So, massive shout out to boys. Thank you for being part of the community and thank you for, thank you for doing what you're doing for hockey in your area. And I hope that this is going to be, um, that all the courses that you're taking and all the questions that I'm sure you're going to be asking are going to contribute to, uh, some amazing growth.

On your part, because that's why I do what I do is so that you all can create better hockey out in your spaces. So thank you very much. Okay. I'm going to just, let me get back to these. Comments that were here. Let's see. Luke, you understand the PC call if you didn't agree with it was a hit, but we're voting for the dager afterwards.

For you, it's okay. Now I understand. Grammar, right? Okay. For you, it's a penalty stroke every day. Twice on Sundays. There you go. Yes. Ellen, Simon, Schellig. There you go. And of course, Blaze, you're awesome. Okay. Let's go. We're, we're moving. We're moving. Playing the outlet. Okay, this is more of an exploration than it is, like, there's absolutely nothing wrong that what happens here on this pitch.

But I just want you to watch it. Is my head in the way? My head's in the way.

Okay, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna do this again. I'll show it to you twice because it didn't quite, I didn't realize my noggin was in the way. Thank you, Simon, very much for posting those links. I, um, something's wrong with my Ecamm plugin, or the stream deck, or whatever, because I programmed all of the links as I always do.

No, they're not working. Okay. So, here is a, uh, a potential trapping situation. You've got two defenders who've moved in, and you can see Alex Fenchuk here is showing the defender. The player in possession of the ball who is in his own circle, that the outlet is over to the side. And if you were watching, this, this opposition player was hovering and waiting until the ball got passed.

Because as we know with the rule, out is out. You cannot interfere with the pass. This is before it is, it has gotten to its destination. So I showed you several clips of players, especially from the Indoor World Cup, one game last year, when defenders Who were in their attacking circle, were throwing their stick in, as the ball was traveling across the goal, and then, um, deflecting the ball into the goal, and were surprised.

Nay, they were shocked, to find out, that they couldn't do so. So, the question that, What I'm positing here is I watched the, and I've watched this particular clip several times to try to sort of digest, because I'm intrigued with the notion and people have asked me the question, when can the defender come and press that ball?

Because no, they can't interfere with the ball, uh, before it's gone across the circle. Absolutely true. Let me get this. So this pass cannot be interfered with. This is very clear. We're all happy with that, but as you can see, what happens is, as soon as the ball reaches, we have a defender coming and putting pressure on.

So we've had a 2 on 1 here, 2 on 1 here, we have a 1 on 1 there. Is that the way that this rule should work? What if there is a, a mishandle by that defender? Or what if they choose not to play the ball? What if the ball, that, that defender, that attacker playing in their own defending circle? The player who should be in possession of the ball, the red player, what if they lift up their stick and allow the ball to go off the boards?

At what point can that white player come in and attempt to dispossess that ball?

Because I know that I would start playing some games here. If I knew that my opposition couldn't come and get the ball until after I touched it, I would just let the ball come off the boards, and I'd move my feet, but I'd be looking for different options, and I'd be, I'd be faking out that player. Not very well, I'm sure.

I would be trying to throw off that player and moving them around

in order to try to create some sort of extra advantage. So that's, and that's exactly the question Godders is, should we have a three meter rule like a five meter rule for aerial and outdoor? Now this isn't a danger situation here, is it? And trapping isn't really about danger. Other than it's a you cannot force the ball through the opposing player, but if the opposing player sets up like right in front of you, essentially blocking off that space entirely, so you have very little option, are they forcing you to drill them?

Question mark? Do you see where I'm coming from from this? This, the whole trapping rule intrigues me, because it's a very artificial insertion. of a non, mostly non danger related rule. Prima facie, it's not about danger. Tangentially, or secondarily, it is. But on the face of it It's about keeping the flow of the game, that is the purpose of it, because the danger rule prevents danger, not being able to drill prevents danger.

Forcing players not to cut off all the spaces is so that the ball continues to move. So does that work? Well, write that in, I did write that intentionally in these three seconds. Because, you know, there you go. And yeah, that is how we've interpreted the rule, Radislav, but there's nothing actually in the briefing that says That, that's how we're supposed to be doing it, that's just the way that we've, we've said.

Oh, as soon as the player touches the ball. I would be, again, if I wanted to F with this, I would be so close to that player, I wouldn't be intercepting the ball, but I would have my stick right there. This, this player here, this player in white, let's see if I can, um, I've got a new scene set up. Let's see if I can do this.

Okay, and this is the wrong media, so that's not going to work. Okay, here we go.

So if I come back to this slo mo here, okay, so as this is moving across, yes, he comes and presses and my head's in the way. Look an outdoor that it's never, the shots never framed like that. Okay, so dude here is coming and he's pressing, but he doesn't actually. Get right up in his grill. Doesn't get right up in his grill.

Okay, and this, um, This attacker is very very clever in that just sort of one times the ball off the boards Just missing, just missing the reverse stick That's out there and then is quick enough to be able to come pick it up and then what happens is we see is his buddy coming into play to To help out, but we end up with a, we end up with all of the opposing players within the three meter dotted line, nevermind, like, in the circle.

And there's one Belgian player who eventually gets this ball, and that's the, that's the rest of this entire play, if I come back to here. So it creates an outnumbered situation, fortunately, and it's the kind of thing that we want in the game. It's fantastic, but does it, does it work for everything that we're looking for?

Okay.

Let me see if I can switch this back to my world. There we go. I'm doing some fine things. Fine things. Don, essentially you're saying don't defend attack as well as you could because you have to leave room for the defense to play hard to swallow as a player. Well, look, that's what the, that's what the point of the trapping obstruction rule is.

It forces you to back off, but it's like, how far do we extend it? How far will this rule get extended as things continue to evolve and players try new things? The thing that I would try is, as As an attacker, I would try not touching the ball. As a defender, I would try getting so close to that, to the player who's about to receive that ball, because they don't have a choice, I essentially mark them.

I mark them without trying to intercept, but I mark them so closely that my stick is right there and what are they going to do? Especially in this part of the, the, the, the court.

Yeah, and of course this is fine. Um, Frank, the question, second trapping defender backs off and gives a second outlet. Isn't the trap over once that second channel opens? Kind of? Kind of? He does back off a bit and I think at that point the player who has possession of the ball in that specific moment could choose not to play it across.

They could probably get away with it because, you know, Alex would sit there, like he's given the instruction for the ball to go because the second defender comes. And then he kind of starts floating away. So there's, there's like this cat and mouse going on, isn't there? Because I mean, these players know they, they don't want to get caught.

It's, it's a risky play for two of them to be two on one, the ball. They know what outnumbering it. They, they're smart, they get it. So he's there and he's like, ah, I don't think I like these results. I'm going to pull out and I'm going to get better spacing. Take it, take other options into account, blah, blah, blah.

And then off we go.

Um,

yeah, that's not quite Don what is have, what, what, um, Frank is talking about. He's talking about the fact that he moves, that he moves away.

See if I can pull it back to this moment. So here is. A trap. Here is where the outlet needs to be given. Okay, dude is, is there. So this outlet needs to be given, but there's no onus on this defender to stay in that position. So what he does is he starts backing off a little bit. I mean, he's got that player to think about.

Okay. And he's deciding he's going to get ball side. Okay. Or goal side of him.

And then allows that to go through. So that's the question that Frank is really trying to get at, I think, if I understand. Um. And Dennis, you feel like if the ball is touched to play a ball by the player who receives the ball, why can't the defender of the white team go for it? Like that, that makes logical sense.

But how does that not create a situation if I'm that defender and I come in and I'm like bang, hi, how do you like me now? Because what is, what is that, what is that attacker going to do in their own circle? What are they going to do? What options does he have down in that corner?

So it gets really tricky, doesn't it? You quite like the three meters. You might, but I bet the players will hate it. I think they would hate it because now we're creating like another artificial constraint. What are the unintended consequences that could come from that, Godders? That's what we have to sort of think about.

Um, if we have time, can we visit this video 4130 and check the situation? You mean other time in the match? Do you know how this works? Rado, do you know how much work it takes for me to find and present, to put it in the scenes? And, you're adorable, oh my god. I

can't do that, not today. Um, cause you would have to sit here and it would take me five minutes to pull up the and then to pull it into a scene and then to find

Oh my god, I'm not even gonna read it out loud cause I will kill myself. Uh, Luke, we need to allow Gap because it's possible to get completely trapped in 2D. Yeah, that's the logic for it. Is it in the spirit of the game that the Player in the outlet is also getting pre trapped. Is, I mean, is it in the spirit of the game to stop players from defending?

It's

complicated. I'm asking hard questions of all of us. Yeah. Next time. Come into the server and ask the question and say, Keely, pull up this clip. Put it in Ask FHU. I'd be more than happy to pull it out for you there. Since the outlet is artificial in the first place, why not tidy up the position regardless?

Yeah, maybe, maybe? Question mark. Let's keep thinking about it. We can do that and let's see one more comment here. If red is pulling shenanigans, shenanigans to gain that advantage, to not touch the ball as an umpire, I'm in the player's grill to keep moving.

You, you can't, you can force a player to, to move the ball through the outlook, but you can't force a player to play a ball that they haven't even played yet. That's not, that's new, like that would be a really interesting addition to our repertoire of things that we manage and control.

I mean, cause at some point, the defender's gonna come in and be like, I'm playing this ball. And now you're in the position of, oh, so now we have to make that player play the ball at some point. See what I mean? Like, it's just going in all kinds of weird, unintended, consequential places, and that's the problem with rules, is that we don't have that always covered up.

Let's look at the poll, and see what, see if you wrote in some good ideas, cause you can add, on most of these polls, you can add your own options, and you'll see if I don't allow an option. There's probably a specific reason for it, but I definitely would take suggestions on this too. Let's see. So they can't intercept.

Nobody, nobody wants to change that. They should be able to pressure the outlet receiver right away. And then, oh, a lot of you really like the three meter to control the ball. Six of you. Wow. Okay, duly noted. Duly noted. Thanks for your input, friends. We shall keep our eyes out. And this weekend, of course, we have the European Hockey Indoor Championship for Women going on in Berlin.

And that is going to be an amazing time to be had by all. And I'm sure we're going to have more situations coming out of that. So when you're watching these games, you can have a lot of fun looking for these potential. Problems and situations and go through the mental exercise. What would have happened there?

At least that's what I do. And doesn't everybody want to be like me? Don't answer that. Can the PC runner be drilled? Another philosophical question that came to me out of watching this particular play.

Yeah, new poll for this. And again, this is an exploration, right? Because it's uncommon. It's uncommon for a runner to get in front of the shot, but not be barreling at full force up to the top. And that defender takes the ball full force straight at him, and he's relatively set. He doesn't have to be stationary.

He has to be set or stationary. He doesn't have to be both. And he's pretty set. The question being, so I've slowed this down right here in this moment, The question is, I mean, the first question you, you would always ask yourself. Oh, that's not showing up. There it is. Um, sorry, I'll, I'll bring that back in.

I'll bring that back in at the right time.

There we go. So I did a freeze frame just to check. And for me, I don't think Here's the point of release of the ball, which is another interesting sort of aspect of this. When a player is dragging like that You know, how far away is three meters? Is it three meters from the midline of the shooter's body?

Is it three meters from where the ball is released? Is it three meters from when the ball leaves the floor? Those are all different points in a drag flick and they can be. A meter and a half different. So that changes everything when you're only dealing with three meters. Let's see if I've got the freeze frame there.

Stop. Okay. So this is the player who ends up, so is this three meters? And when do we apply the drilling rule? Should we be applying the drilling rule to a situation where normally the penalty corner runners are not set? Do they get set? Or do they get set? Question marks. Slime your comments in here because I'm Like, am I on drugs when I think these things, when I watch these plays?

Is there an onus on this player, on this attacker here, to not take this shot? Is there an overall danger priority? This is a fascinating running pattern. And it was very effective. They stopped the shot. It was very good. Of course, for, uh, you know, I, I think at this moment, maybe the shooter was trying to go low into this corner, which didn't quite work out for them.

And maybe it wasn't the best shot in the world, but

if the goalkeeper edges off a little bit to their right, and then they leave two in that space, at what point?

At what point are they blocking? Let me play this and let's see what your comments are saying here. Oh no. I was corrected. Yaku corrected me? Rah? I hope that's close. I apologize for butchering your name last week. You're no pro at indoor and I'm no pro at your name. You only got to deal with it at the end of last year for two weekends of child games.

Can someone give you a brief explanation what the drill what is a drilling rule? Oh goodness, but rock, let me tell you. I have many a video on this topic and you can feel free after this, don't go away right now because you'll ruin my average view duration. But. After this, you can do a search for what is drilling on the homepage of my channel and you'll see lots of videos, but the three things that we look for in a drill are, first, that the ball is played hard, it is played at a player who is three meters or fewer away, Generally, I've seen some exceptions to that, that I've agreed with.

Generally, if it's an exception to that, I don't agree with the call. Because 3 metres is a safe distance. So those are the first two things. Hard, within 3 metres, and at a player who is set or stationary. Doesn't have to be both. So set can involve a player who is defending. And defending the space, and they have their stick low, and they are running with, and blocking, and defending the space behind them, mirroring the run of the ball carrier.

Okay? And stationary, you know what stationary is. Okay.

Set position tends to be left hand on the floor with a stick horizontal, but player can still be moving. Yes. And that's exactly it, because stationary is an OR. It's very It's very specific in the world. Specific.

See where the drill is.

Oh, it's right here. That's why.

Okay. So we're looking specifically, specifically. I feel like I'm saying that word a lot today. Is that weird?

So it's this section here, playing the ball deliberately and hard. Okay. And I mean, deliberately is like, I mean, how do you play the ball accidentally in terms of passing or shooting in indoor? I mean, you would, you are still considered to be playing the ball deliberately at somebody from, for example, a spinning position because you were being reckless as to the result.

Hey, that phrase still comes in handy here. Recklessness is a result of causing danger to that player. If you haven't bothered to look, if there's somebody set or stationary behind you, okay, um, and it's stick feet or hands. And I mean, stick, we're not protecting the stick. We're protecting the feet, hands, and body with an associated risk of injury when a player is in a set, or, or, stationary position.

Okay, so they're not required to be stationary.

I lost track of where I was. Yes. Um, there you go. You have a sense of understanding now. We'll go check it out afterwards. There you go. The shot is not dangerous above the knee, so play on. No need to discuss the three meters here. Yeah, rattle, rattle! Work with me here! This is an exploration. It's an exploration of the concept.

Because if he gets one more step closer, and look, we are umpiring at levels that are not this good. The players aren't as fast. The player kind of bobbles the ball, and Nunn's decided at the top of the circle, doesn't know what he's going to do. And then that runner takes one more step, and now they're within three meters.

Whatcha gonna do then? That's what I'm talking about. Work with me.

As Luke does here, if the runner somehow is able to get close enough to be three meters away from the person taking the shot, and they've had the time to become set, you don't see why you wouldn't apply de jure rules for drilling. There you go. Thank you. Now we're working with it. I know how dare I, like, apply a hypothetical to this world, because I usually say, like, let's shut it down.

We're trying to apply principles to what we see in front of us. But indoor is interesting because it creates, creates, Godders, interesting concept. Defender and keepers all close together, effectively creating a wall, taken to extreme with one more defender effectively stopping a straight shot. Yeah. So now we have a rule that has a great purpose.

Drilling is Nobody's like, oh no, people should be able to drill, that'd be great. But, in outdoor, if they're within three meters Then, if they were within 5 meters and outdoor, ordinarily we'd be saying, that is dangerous. That the danger is created by the shooter in that situation. If they're further than that away, we say the danger is created by the defenders because they're defending space, so they're defending the goal, and not defending the execution of the shot.

They're not defending the pass, they're not, pardon me, they're not attempting to dispossess in that situation.

There you go. Good to see you, Florian. Um, yeah, and that's another important part of this is that we're talking about, I, I talk a lot about when you're reading the play and anticipating and you're preparing in order to get your optimal whistle timing is that you're reducing the number of outcomes that you have to consider in that moment.

And it's like, oh, this player is coming with the ball here and here's a defender coming from here. Here are the possible outcomes. We've got a raised ball, we've got a foot, we've got a drill. Okay. And now I don't have to think about all the other plethora of rules that are within the rule book. And that helps you time your decision making much better.

Now, if we're adding, I'm in essence adding another rule to think about to the most complex situation in our sport, the penalty corner is rife. I sat down with Crispy one afternoon, and by sat down, I mean we were on a On a video call and I did put up a whole bunch of white paper on my wall and we created a flow chart for the outdoor penalty corner and the decision making tree and it was ridiculous.

You can actually download that and if you're interested in it, like, I don't know, bug me in the server so I can find the link because obviously I didn't prepare that because I didn't think about that. But, but we did it and it was all over the place and now here would be another branch of the decision making tree.

That would take us away. That'd be hard. Is the defender's stick down enough to consider the action as drilling? Well, I mean, Burnett, in this particular situation, his stick is absolutely down enough. He doesn't have to have the entire space covered. He gets the ball. I mean, it's right on his stick. So he's got his stick down enough.

We're not requiring a skill to be executed with complete perfection. And I know there's a big, you know, coaching sort of movement, and it's, it is the best way to perform the skill, but as umpires, we don't say, Oh, that's not drilling because the player didn't have their stick, um, perfectly horizontal and, uh, parallel to the ground when that ball was played at them from close range, like, straight at them.

You know, if, if they, if they're set and they don't quite have their stick down and it goes slamming into their foot, hey, that can still be drilling. And I think it should be.

It's a skill to get the foot, but it's not a skill to break their foot.

Take that. Okay. Let's see what the poll says. See what y'all have there. Um, let's see. And three of you agree that. Set within three meters. Yes. And two of you say no, they're moving into the shot. Okay. And that's fair. And that's, that's fair. And that's something I think that we're going to continue to have a dialogue about as teams experiment with different ways to defend penalty corners.

When their execution levels are not as high, in indoor, they're still pretty high. Like they're a lot better than outdoor. I don't have percentages. There's um, There's a statistician, um, there's a couple that I follow on X who, who work with all the numbers and conversion rates and things like that, and I haven't seen any stats come out for Indore, but I'm pretty sure that that is there.

And yes, Florian, they have to be in a defending position, but is a defending position perfection?

I mean, at what point are we saying? You know, if their stick is upright, if their stick is here, if their stick is here, like, is that not good enough? Or does it have to be dead, dead, parallel? Nah. That's a defending position still. So, there you go. Okay.

That's a lot, hey? Oh, you know what I should probably talk about? I should probably talk about this. Is it here? I have an indoor comprehensive course. Ha ha! The girl who knows how to promote herself. I'm so bad at this, you guys. But I do have a course and this is a comprehensive, so it's equivalent of a certification, but it is not a certification in your area because I don't have that authority and I don't want it to be.

Replacing anything. But if you are looking for something that is soup to nuts, all the things that you need to know about Indoor, you learn about the pitch dimensions. You learn about like every single rule you learn about, uh, optimal positioning and movement patterns and MCP and Indoor, bing, bing, and all those sort of other things, it's here.

So QR code, boop, boop, boop that QR code. And. You can see that if you're looking for an updater, just something that gets you up to speed with the things that have changed over the last sort of three to four years and doesn't go over the basics about how a bully is played and things like that, then you can, um, then you can look for the updater, which is also on the website.

And I think I call that an intensive and it's, and it's an updater. Awkward moments in my head. Okay. Um, Florian, your umpire's manager said the stick doesn't matter. Great. We're in violent agreement. This umpire manager says it doesn't, the stick doesn't matter. So happy. Okay.

Next topic. It's the skills session. I need a special graphic for this. I do. Okay. So we wanted to go over this. Actually, I was told that I needed to use this as our skill session. By the, the, the person or community who I did a debrief with, uh, just recently, they will go unnamed at this point because I, it's not about them.

It's not about them, but they rec, they said, you know, you should do a skill session on this on a what up Wednesday. And there's an interesting question that we can talk about in a second, and let's park that, about radios and indoor. But for now, let's just talk about the nature of radio communication and how we can use it optimally.

And the point that I want to sort of review is,

you know, if you're going to out yourself like that. Now, Malcolm, this isn't. Obviously a specific coaching session, feel free to come at, you know, and DM me or whatever. If you would like to have a conversation, I'd be more than delighted to have a chat about what I saw with yourself and William fantastic game, by the way, you guys did a great job.

I was really happy. And of course with William, he's, you know, because he's, he's in, in my membership and he's working so hard and I've seen his progression over the last two years. I. I'm a bit of a fangirl, not gonna lie. Anyway, so Malcolm, you can take all of the comments that I make today and sort of think about them.

And if you'd like some more guidance as to how to, I would specifically apply them to your game and your practice, I'd be happy to have that conversation. How's that? Okay. So when we get on radios, and I have experienced this at pretty much every level, the biggest tendency we have is to over communicate.

When we have umpired without radios, and that's most of us, I don't know if anybody starts off umpiring with radios in their ears, but they may. I'm not here to, you know, I'm not the boss of you. I'm not here to judge. It's kind of exciting. First of all, it's tech, so it's fun. I'm a geek. I love tech. But There's also this notion that you all of a sudden have somebody you can talk to who's on your team, and it's really comforting.

It's friendly. It's bonding. There's all these great things of it. However, usually, most of us, hand up here, me included, the first time we get on radios, we over communicate. We talk too much. And there's a poll. Simon, thank you so much. You're awesome. There's a poll where you can just share your own self reflections with me because I'm curious as to what your experiences are and you can vote multiple options there.

But I know that I did this. I know that my colleagues did this when I started, when they started with radios at that time. Talking too much. The dangers to this are that first of all, you can distract yourself. We have a lot of cognitive work that we're doing and just processing what we're seeing, reading ahead and making those in the moment decisions is a lot of work, adding on a language aspect on top of that.

And communicating different things to our colleague can have the effect of removing our attention from the things that we need to be really looking at. It can distract your colleague. So sometimes we can be so anxious about talking about the things that we're seeing and what we're noticing and how we feel about them.

Our colleague's kind of busy and we could be distracting them in that moment. If we're speaking too much, our colleague can actually start filtering us out. And when you are, and this is, this is absolutely the same thing when you're talking to players. I really encourage umpires to think about how everything that comes out of their mouth is the, is very important.

Everything that they say is crucially important so that players understand, this umpire's speaking, I need to listen up. They got something for me that's gonna help me play this game better. With your colleague, it's the same thing. You want them to have the automatic reaction. When they hear you, that you are going to be giving them something they need to hear.

They absolutely need to hear. But if you spend time in the game sharing little anecdotes or ooh, that was a great pass and things like that, your colleague will start to filter that out. The players who are around you and they're hearing you talk during all this might be like, um, why are you talking so much?

Are you paying attention to the game? Like what's happening? And they get a little distracted and maybe they don't trust exactly what's going on in those moments. You could also, because you're thinking so much and you're having these great conversations with your colleague, you can forget to talk to the players.

They're your customers are the most important people, and those are the people that you really need to be focusing on. And then the last danger is that you will forget, you could forget to use your whistle and your signals the way that they need to. You get overly reliant on the use of your voice because that's what you're doing.

You get into this vibe, into this groove of speaking so much. So how do you avoid these things? How do you avoid the dangers? Well, just like when you're talking to players, focus on the things that they need to know coming up. And that includes things like, this is what we're going to do the next time we see a breakdown tackle.

Or I need to go because this ball is going to get aerialed over my head. So, I'm off, can you take the back side of the play for me? Those sort of pieces of information, proactive communication, those are the things that you want to focus on. Okay? Help your colleague with decisions when it's needed, but be judicious about times when you're complimenting them.

Now, I did a short a little while back and you, you might be saying, Keely, but you said it's really good to tell your colleague when they do something well, because they, they need to, they need to hear this. They need to hear that, you know, that, sorry, I'm having problems with my teleprompter and I'm hoping that this is going to start charging up again.

And it's good to find those special moments. When they might have made an amazing advantage decision for a goal or something like that, that's fine. But reinforcing little decisions, basic things, things that are right in front of them that they clearly have. Ain't nobody got time for that. Don't, don't bother with that.

The information that you might be talking about with regards to where the play is moving and how the structures are changing, whether there's a press coming, talk about that when it changes what you need to be doing as a team in trading responsibilities, but not just to notice what the teams are doing.

Because again, If it doesn't change how the two of you are working together, you don't need to talk about it. I'm sure they can notice the intricacies of what the teams might be, um, doing in terms of using their midfielder more or that there's high outlet passes available and things like that, but is that important for you in terms of how you are doing responsibilities?

Maybe not. Um, and, and so you're not imitating a play by play commentator and you're not imitating a color commentator either. And I had an experience in a match, uh, I will anonymize this as much as possible where my colleague, it was their first time using a radio and the umpire manager was listening in at the same time.

And this umpire was obviously very excited to be able to share their knowledge about what was happening on the pitch. And whether a certain choice by a player was a good pass or not a good pass, or whether, you know, they had missed that reception because of poor body positioning and footwork and things like that.

And it was a constant color commentary. And at halftime, the umpire manager Came up and said, if you don't stop that, I'm going to take the radio away from you. And I was like, thank you. I was exhausted. I was exhausted and trying to screen all that out and still pay attention to what I needed to, to track.

The biggest thing that you want to focus on is stay away from explaining past decisions. The players don't need to hear them. And your colleague definitely doesn't need to hear them. So, if you've just made a decision on a penalty corner that the drag flick Hit the running defender, uh, above the knee or below the knee and it hit above the knee and so you called a free hit out and the ball was moving away.

As a colleague, it's not necessary to ask, oh, so did you call that a free hit out because it hit above the knee? Dude, like, we're going. Things have moved past. It's not necessary. It's another. Way in which you can keep yourself trapped in what had happened instead of looking at the next thing, looking at the next thing.

Which is the most important thing you can be doing for your accuracy, your whistle timing, and your management skills in a game. Okay? And, the future things about, might be, about things like, uh, hey, can you help me out with that particular, um, with that particular play the next time, for example. Or, hey I should have looked to you earlier, I will look to you next time.

That kind of thing. Let me see if I can fix this. And then I'm gonna go to your comments, because I wanna know what you all think. Okay,

let's see if this works. Comment time! Okay. Yes. Pre game's important when deciding user age. Okay, yeah, let's, we'll, we'll talk about. Indoor radios in a second, that'll be good. Roch, um, there was a subconscious feeling you're communicating something that's on their side and expecting them to make the call and nothing happens since both of you would expect the other call it.

If you're communicating something that's on their side, first of all, you're not umpiring the whole game. Nobody should be umpiring the whole game. Your responsibilities and areas in trading off are still very much Something that you need to employ even when you have radios. And the tendency is because you've been drawn psychologically close to your colleague that you're, you're umpiring their game for them.

Just don't, don't do that part, okay? So, yes, if you've seen something that they haven't seen and part of your pre match talk is to simply, Yeah, I just want you to blow it because it's more important to me that we get the call right, then do that thing. Do that thing, okay? Florian, you had radios for an under 12 tournament, the, the umpires Um, the umpire managers were talking to you.

So three people were looped in. It was really helpful since it was your first time umpiring. Yeah. So this is something that I've been talking with people about in the right context. Generally speaking, it's verboten, verboten to actually,

as an umpire manager or coach, to be speaking to umpires during the game. At least it has been in my experience and my practice, and I've been examining that question lately because I have to think that there are situations where we might be able to talk to the umpires on the pitch in the right situation in a coaching way that doesn't Interfere with the decision making that is happening, and that's the biggest fear, is that we can't have it look like to teams and things like that, that the umpire manager is making the calls.

They're already pretty paranoid about ridiculous things, so let's not give them another reason. So, it's just something that we have to sort of think about. Um, Bernat, it's a difficult thing, especially when the other umpire is unknown, absolutely. And yeah, it can be a disaster, game changer, you've seen both and been a part of both.

Yeah. Um, I've had that. I've absolutely had that happen to me. Um, junior world cup in 2009,

a colleague and I. Who, um, uh, they, they spoke another language, their primary language, and were trying to communicate to me things on the radio about a decision that I needed to take to award a penalty corner or not award a penalty corner over the radio. And the wording that they used was. No, no, no, no, no penalty corner.

And I'd be like, wait, so is it a penalty corner or not a penalty corner? The thing that I got Martine about earlier is like, we do have this colloquial way of speaking in English where we'll say, no, yes. Yeah, no, yeah, no. And that's okay when we're having a conversation like this and you can read my facial language or my facial language, you can read my face, you can read my body language and you, you can, and the tone of voice, but on the pitch it's yes, no, penalty corner, free hit out, it's clear, very clear and concise.

And we had one nightmare game where everything that they were saying to me, I misconstrued as being the other way around and then they put us on another game together and it still didn't work. So, you know, it's a difficult thing. Yes, having effective and clear sharing of information. But I, Godders, I noticed this.

I noticed this very frequently with people on radios, um, especially in certain Geographical areas where culturally people have, as a matter of habit, developed a habit of speaking a lot. There you go. Um, let's see. Yes, and it's very important to have this covered off in your pre match. So talking about what you want from your colleague.

There are some people who are Maybe more interested in more communication, but I'd still invite you to think about do I actually need to have all that, or do I just need the important pieces of information? Um, Rock, a few super important facts you learned throughout Under 18 Tournament was confidence in your own calls and making them without hesitation, accountability to each other to focus.

And radios are an add on to your game to improve your communication with your co umpire. Not a substitution of basic communication. Absolutely. And that's, that was that last danger point about not using your whistle. So, uh, for example, I pointed out to William yesterday that there was a moment where he was trying to get the player's attention about where the ball needed to be placed, that it was a sideline hit.

And And it came right as there was communication between him and his colleague. And so he just kept talking to the players. Sideline, sideline, and then he's like, oh yeah, right. Tweet, tweet. Sideline ball. And then the players were listening to them. But if you're just spending this, you're having this conversation, Hey, did you, did you see that go over the sideline, sideline?

Oh yeah, sideline. And then the players are like, who are you talking to? We don't know. We're not paying attention to you because you haven't done the thing that you've trained us to be the attention getting signal, which is the double peep. Okay, so we can drown that out. And our stuff. Um, when you have your UM on the radio, you tend to forget them.

They're not actively in the game. They won't change the decision. Yeah, and that's that that's the approach that we generally take. Yeah. Yeah, and that's another thing is that we can say things that we Would say to our friends, but we don't want to be sharing with the general pitch. We don't want spectators behind us hearing.

We don't want the goalkeeper overhearing and the defenders and all that kind of stuff. I have definitely made that mistake, especially because I swear a lot. Dennis, your first game ever where the radio was the worst, you were terrified. You didn't say a word. Was it, was that at under 18s with me? Was that, or under 15s?

I can't remember. You didn't know what to say. Now you'd say It's the best tool. Yeah. When you're with a less experienced colleague, you can definitely give a lot of help. I love that. Uh, right. So this is where it gets into don't umpire the whole pitch for your colleague. So Tom saying, don't you love it when a colleague calls the penalty corner over radios when the foul is two meters in front of you.

You're like, thank you, Captain Obvious. And that's when you will start psychologically, reflexively screening them out because they're not helping you. They're not giving you information you need. So you're like, okay, this is something I don't need, but I do need to call this penalty corner. I need to manage the players who are mad at me and I need to make sure that the masks are coming off.

And so you're going to ignore the thing that isn't important, right?

Okay. Uh, you had one colleague who only wanted you to say anything, as in when he specifically asked for help, and yeah, I mean, some people can, and it's a skill, and if you don't know all the different ways in which proactive, important, selective, clear communication from your colleague can help you nail down a game, you know, then you might go with that.

Approach, but I think there's other ways. Your primary call to your partner and you ask for a return is who is it off to get the restart correct. Um, And you find it's very helpful given the speed of the game. Okay. I would, I would suggest something here. Think about it. Instead of saying off black, because now you're essentially doing a double negative because off black means it's a white ball, but you've said the word black.

So it's like, but what if they don't hear black or, and they don't hear the off and they think it's black. And then you just as a matter of practice, I invite you to, if you're going to use that, that those kinds of terms is to just positively declare. Black ball, white, black, red. Don't say things like red foot.

Okay, say what direction the free hit is going. Okay, because that gets confusing. There you go. And you'll help with in and out on the circle if you're asked on the PC. That's interesting because generally I would say that a supporting umpire shouldn't have the best angle as to whether the ball has left the circle or not.

Because you should be further away than your colleagues. And yes, they have a lot of things to deal with, but you have other things that you actually can help with? As to whether the ball is on target or not, whether it hits the runner above or below the knee or not. And those are calls that your colleague really needs from you.

They do not have the right perspective for that. So that's what you should be helping them with instead of whether it's inside or outside the circle. Just some thoughts for you. Okay. So, it's an art. And it's something that I I am starting to focus on with the right umpires in our community when we do debriefs, because once they have their positioning, uh, really nicely nailed down, the next layer that I can help with is communication skills.

And you'll notice that I don't generally, like, I don't focus on decisions. I give you the tools to make a decision. If you need help understanding the rules, like we do this and we do Q& A in the server and that sort of thing. But when I'm coaching, it's about Identifying what goes into a correct decision, not whether a decision is correct or not.

So, what I'm working with now, what we did yesterday, was, uh, having the audio from wireless microphones that were attached to the two umpires, and I was able to overlay that, and I was able to sync it up with the video footage that was provided by the team. So we, it was, it was like being there. It was so like being there.

It's just magical. I just love it. So much fun. And that is how I can put all the pieces together. Not only can I help with communication between the two colleagues, but I, I can also get better insight into somebody's frame of mind, where is the umpire's mindset in a particular moment. So for example. If they go quiet and they stop giving the proactive help that actually would be helpful in that particular situation, right after they've made a contested call, I can probably draw the conclusion, pardon me, the conclusion that they're thinking about that call.

And now I can give some techniques, some tactics to that umpire about how do you get yourself out of that? How do you stop thinking? About the thing and actually the one of the best ways to stop thinking about the mistake that you just made is to actually start Talking proactively with your colleague with the players best tool ever.

Anyway, um, there you go And you watch it last night. Great. I'm glad I'm glad that helped and And I it's just like seeing yourself for the first time on video You're like, oh my god, is that how much I talk? Is, are those the things that I'm saying? It's a, you know, you, you will get hypercritical. Don't get hypercritical.

But take it as good information so that you can build some, some analysis, some self analysis, and try some different things with yourself. What works best for you, what actually is needed, what's important, all that sort of thing. Because it's the thing that you're not gonna get from most umpire coaches.

So, there you go. Okay, um, oof. Let's go. Raised or not, I hope that was good. Okay, this is somebody just subscribed!

So This is not about decision making necessarily, this is about applying raised ball, which and this has got to be one of the most difficult situations that I've seen in terms of processing advantage and then benefit gained and not gained because What I'm seeing here, tell me if I'm on drugs, but what I'm seeing is in this moment, and I'm going to do it this way,

media five, is this five? Yes.

I'm gonna slow this down. Okay. So red attempts an interception here. I am no longer on the screen. That's fun. You don't need to see me. Red attempts an interception and then there's another bobble of the ball because red then plays it into the white stick. Okay, is everybody seeing that very clearly?

Okay, plays it into the white stick who then bobbles the ball again and we get ourselves into this situation where we're thinking does that disadvantage the red player? If you were watching, and I'm starting to see comments already about, let's see, is that, is that firing? That's not firing.

There we go. I don't know what's happening there. Um, yes. Bernat, you had lots of doubts through the championship. Umpires let most raised balls go. Is that the criteria for the tournament? That is the criteria for international standard. They are not looking to blow every raised ball. Example situations, and I mean we can, I, I, I don't like to talk about a scenario without, because what you're going to picture is going to be different from what I picture, and all that sort of thing.

But a transfer of the ball across the back, and teammate receives the ball crossed over the back, another defender, and the ball pops up a little bit, doesn't change anything. Umpires are gonna let those go. Absolutely they should. There is no disadvantage to the opposition in those cases.

Um, that is That, that is standard, that's been standard at international level for quite some time.

So, what I'm trying to sort out is literally one of the best indoor umpires in the world had a clear view of this moment, and I assume made the decision in that second that that raise Would have not been disadvantageous to that defender. We also know, on the other hand, that two wrongs don't make a right.

So, for example, a ball that is raised and played dangerously into an opponent, that opponent can't then,

you know, play that ball off their body into the goal. Because a foul can't score that goal. I'm starting to lose my words on this, but I'm sure that you understand. And so for Dunn, you're saying you would have blown this in your match. Um, free hit white at the first place, it went high. Yeah, and I can understand that.

Um, well, we weren't talking about headsets, we were talking about radio communication skills. So, please do pop into the server. Thank you very much for that. Um, yeah, and my gut kind of went, ooh, uh, in the moment when I saw this. And there were a couple others. Generally speaking, I thought it was You know, there, there were more instances that I saw that were pushing my boundaries and my understanding of what needed to be called and what was to be let go.

And that's part of what we need to do and why we watch. The top umpires in the top matches, because they are being informed by the top play and the players drive the game. So if a raised ball doesn't matter, then who are we to get in their way? Who are we to get and impose our technical interpretations of rules on top of what the game is requiring?

And I know there's some people who would be listening to this and absolutely screaming at their monitors. How dare she say this? Yeah, I said it. There you go. Okay. So watch as many games as you can so that you can get a form of understanding, a synthesis of what you're seeing. There you go. And that's exactly where the doubt comes in.

Godders, thank you very much for putting that into words that I was struggling to, to do so. Is the defender in a position to tackle when the second raise occurs? Is that defender actually disadvantaged by the second raise? In the moment. I think Ben, you know, made the call to know he wasn't, so off they go.

And I can see Frank's comment coming up there that you're with Godders. So again, I didn't want this to be a dissection of the decision, but simply an illustration of how bloody hard it is to make these calls, uh, in the indoor game with how fast it goes. And just when you think, just when you think you've got a handle on things, you see something like that, which is unusual, like this is not a prototypical.

Moment in an indoor game, in terms of the direction that the ball is going and the flow of the play and all that kind of stuff. So it's really quite. It's really quite hard. So we're going to keep watching for these. Um, we have reached a Keely hour. We're going to keep watching for these as the, um, women's indoor championships comes through.

And apparently I can't move that. There we go. Move that there. And, and see how this is continuing to evolve. Okay. And hopefully it helps you. When I watched a little bit from the Dutch, uh, age group national championships. They're called championships. I saw dozens of raised balls being called that are not getting called at an international level and I understand that that's actually part of their briefing.

And yeah, I don't know. I don't know. International standards are international standards for a reason. That definitely isn't a safety issue. And you can say that, well, the players should have the skill to keep the ball on the court. Well, we're not here to enforce skill. That's not our job. Everything we do is to help with the safety of the players, even if it's sometimes secondarily with the trapping rules.

And that's why I have a problem with it. But anyway, we've already talked through that, haven't we? Okay. Let's just do one more, uh, because I think it's, it's one that we can just sort of Explore. It was a, uh, interesting moment in the tournament and the rules and the briefing. Let's call it the briefing and the regulations about penalty corner injections have changed a lot over the last couple years and a lot of umpires are struggling to figure out how to keep up.

So this is our second penalty corner here. So the first one was An early break by the defenders.

Okay, and you can see the defender is making a motion like Send him away, right? Send him away.

This is the last play of the quarter, and on the third penalty corner, the umpire reverses the penalty corner decision into a free push. And I just want to break this down, because it's important for us to be clear, I think, about what remedies and awards that we're applying. So, in a couple of the More recent Whatup Wednesdays, starting with the Junior World Cups, and in the new, the new indoor hockey briefing, as well as for outdoors, starting with Junior World Cups, the necessity for players to inject the ball immediately was stressed.

And the reason for that is not because it looks better on TV. This is actually because If players don't inject immediately they are in effect going to induce, especially in indoor, they're going to induce an essentially kind of feint in order to have the defenders break the line early, okay? They are hovering over the line.

They are trying to get every edge possible and it is unfair that a player could just sit there and wait five, seven, nine seconds before injecting the ball. So in outdoor it's a point of emphasis, in indoor too. What happened at the Olympic qualifiers is that the umpires were briefed that if a player does not inject the ball immediately, that the appropriate remedy is a green card to that player, and the penalty corner is reset.

So the question here for us to look at is I'm not sure if the briefing had changed for this indoor tournament as well. Were the umpires informed that they needed to award a green card? In essence, delaying because they weren't ready to inject. So it's just like the, the, if the 40 second rule in outdoors is moving, and the attacker isn't there ready to inject, well they get, they get carded.

They get a green card. The penalty corner is reset. They take it.

And in this case, what we have is on the third penalty corner, a free push awarded. And is that the remedy under the rules of the indoor rules of hockey?

So to find this, always go and review the rules. Okay. In order to find this, you're going to want to go to 13. 6. And look at this. Okay. Here's A. Uh, oops. So,

injector doesn't have one foot behind the back line, penalty corner is taken again. Okay? Nothing else. If there is a feint playing the ball, the offending player is required to go to the nine meters of the back line. There's the top of the circle in the opposite end and the penalty corner is taken again.

Okay? And this guidance then just further specifies that if the defender does break early as on account of the feinting that Only the attacker goes. The defender isn't penalized as well. Okay? So, if you look at the poll questions, I'll be interested to see what, um, you, you see out of this particular situation.

But for me, the appropriate remedy is, actually on the second time, if this player is not, if the injector is not injecting promptly, Then it is to be at this moment. So we have, this is the first corner and they did break too early. Okay. If you believe that's the standard pacing and that was immediate by the injector went too early.

Okay. The whistle goes again. This is too long at this moment for me, if it's been briefed for indoor, that player goes on a green card. If that hasn't been briefed, they go to the nine meter line. And they do that on this second corner. That's the way I see it, as I read the rules. If anybody has anything else Then please let me know.

I just wanted to clarify that because sometimes it can be hard to keep all these things that are changing straight. So does anybody have any questions about that in particular?

I don't know.

Okay. That's all I had to say about that. Let's look at the poll just in case. Oh, I forgot to review these results from the skill session. I'm sorry. Nine of you have agreed that your colleague talks too much over the radio. Eight of you admit that maybe you've talked too much as well. Okay, five of you think your colleague hasn't talked enough.

Four of you think you haven't talked enough. Uh, two of you are utterly perfect. Fantastic. Good to hear it. And can you have a radio that actually works?

Yes, you can. I'm gonna be picking up sets, um, when I'm over in April. Those eight were all you. So you talk too much and you vote too much? Just kidding. Everybody was talking about Malcolm. Oh, I understand that. There you go. Okay. Um, oh, and I didn't visit the poll from the last one either. Um, seven of you like the play on the goal for the raised ball.

And one of you was a free hit attack on the first offense. And one of you was a free hit for the second offense. Totally understand. Tough play. Tough play. Okay. And yes. So assuming that the briefing hasn't changed for indoor, then I agree with this that the E option is optimal here. Send the ejector to the nine meter and we set the second PC.

Yep. But I would also accept this in case we knew. I sent out a couple of questions to people to try to get a clarification and didn't hear back as of yet. And that's just. You know, indoor is busy, and people get very tired after an indoor tournament. It is an absolute mental, you know, tournaments are marathons, but indoor is like a marathon sprint.

It is both. It is as exhausting as a marathon, and 100 percent for the whole time. It is I think umpiring at an indoor tournament is one of the most mentally exhausting things you can do, particularly because you have the sensory overload of the noise, just the sheer constant bang, bang, bang, bang, bang of everything and the shouting and the, and the squeaking of the shoes and all those things.

Just, psychologically, oof, incredible. But there you go. Um, thank you very much, everyone, for your participation today. If you got value out of this, I'd really appreciate a like. Somebody subscribed! I heard the, the magic. Can't hang with the big dogs down the porch, go pull the whistle. And that's, that's the sound that I have triggering when somebody subscribes.

So somebody subscribed during the show. That was really nice. I really appreciate that. Um, I see 21, so I'm not mad. I'm not mad. And I know replay value on these things is ridiculous. We do really, really well. So 120. There you go. I'm glad you enjoyed that. Yeah, I'm, I'm enjoying these skill sessions. If you have a suggestion for something that you'd like me to talk about in a skill session, um, please do let me know.

I, I'm picking up on things that we talk about in the server that I realized this would be really valuable to share out more widely and have a broader conversation with all of you. Um, or from a coaching session that we're doing, doing a ton of those. I've got two lined up tomorrow, um, one of them is outdoor and one of them is indoor.

So if Locky is still awake, then, um, Locky is, is the subject of tomorrow and Mike McDowell doing his outdoor game earlier than that. So, um, I hope that is the green card a tournament rule? Yes, Anique, it's a green card regulation and the feedback I've heard so far from umpires who have been contemplating giving this card is they hate it because it's a very outsized thing.

They would much rather just send the injector the way that you would for an early break. And that makes sense to me. That is proportionality. So I think we're getting a little, I think from, from the big bosses up at the FIH, things are getting a little overly punitive with the way in which penalty corners are being conducted.

So there you go. You're looking forward to getting back there. Yeah. I hope you get your, uh, your foot sorted out. That'd be awesome. And yes, you, your timing is beautiful. Um, I really appreciate that. And let's see. And, uh, There you go. You're getting ready for work. Okay, excellent. But I, I, unless you have a different name on YouTube.

Anyway, I'm not even going to go into it. I'm not going to go into it. We are going to be covering obviously the women's tournament next week. So stay tuned for that. But if you have other things, if you have outdoor things you'd like me to take a look at before then send them along, go to the discord server, please, because that's where all the good stuff happens.

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