Hoofdklasse and Twitter Tackles, IG Dangerous Play | #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 152

📅 May 1 19.00 GMT
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We're back! We've got a socials-packed stream with goalkeeper tackles, a ball hitting an umpire for a goal, diving defenders and dangerous play with a ball in the air.
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⏱ Chapter Markers:
0:00 Chair Dancing
00:04:18 Topics!
00:04:58 1. Sliding Attacker Into Goalkeeper – Kampong v Laren Men's Hoofdklasse (NED)
00:29:06 Goalkeeper Slide Tackle – Schaeweijde v Laren Men's Hoofdklasse (NED)
00:57:56 3. Ball Hits Umpire For Goal – Blomendaal v Den Bosch Hoofdklasse Dames (NED)
01:01:59 4. Diving Defender In Circle – Twitter
01:11:03 5. Foul or… USAvGBR (W) Pro League
01:26:52 6. Is This Dangerous Play? – CHNvNED (W) FIH Pro League

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#WhatUpWednesday 152

Welcome, third team! It's What Up Wednesday, and I'm Keely Dunn of FHumpires, and you're my favourite people. Thank you for joining in the live show, and if you're here on the replay, I am just as pleased to have you watching along. We are very happy to take all of your comments in the live chat, and any questions, any follow ups, any compliments on my hair, you can always put them in the comments.

Oh, goodness, my nose is running already. I'm, I'm just too excited today. Just, I was bopping around to my pre stream playlist music. Um, highlight Jamelia's Superstar. If you haven't heard the song, it is a bop. Please go download it and have it a listen. Uh, I want to send a special shout out here. I believe Sahab is your first name.

If I'm wrong, please correct me, but, uh, thank you very much. That's really nice of you to say. And, uh, I'm glad that you're here and glad that you decided to speak up in the chat because that is my favorite part. Um, I don't know. I don't know. Jealous is one way to call it. Uh, there you go. And the mic does work.

I'm glad. I'm glad the sound is good. Please let me know of any technical things as you see, because it's been a hot minute that your girl's been away. I shouldn't have left you without a dope beat to step to, but I did. And, but now I'm back. So, um, I will talk about. A few things that I've been up to, but first let's get into what we're going to talk about today.

It's a very social media fueled show. We're going to talk about sliding attacker into the keeper. Um, a goalkeeper slide tackle question mark, ball hits an umpire for goal. Again, uh, diving defender in the circle. We are going to look at a foul or question mark and dangerous play. I have a lot of questions.

I have a lot of questions this week. I actually have a lot of answers too. Because that's why I'm here. But I have a lot of questions about things that I've been seeing on the socials lately. Uh, thank you so much for everybody who's here. So let's just get into it. There we go. Wait, this button. I've forgotten how to do this.

Sliding attacker into goalkeeper.

You may have seen this particular play on the socials. Uh, it's been making the rounds in a couple groups that I am a part of and thank you very much to, I think it was Martin who brought it to my attention, in the Discord server. That is a great way to get these things up and running and in my face. Go into the Discord server, FHumpires.

com forward slash D S, and go into the Ask FHU channel, and start your own thread there, your own original post, and we can have a chat about it. Give me a little warm up as to what's happening. And, uh, talk me off the ledge if I'm, if, if my opinions just happen to be a little bit too much, um, a little too strong, as they say.

So, this one did come up in the server, and we did have some preliminary discussions, so for those of you who have seen this, and that sort of thing. I would mind if you just sort of let the discussion unfold a little bit. But there is a poll in the chat right now. You can go to the link, and you can vote in the discord server as to what you think.

This is not an exam. You're not gonna pass or fail. It is simply a way for you to exercise your decision making muscle. And then to have a little, uh, practice and feedback at that. And one of the things that I'm specifically interested in are experiences where we form one opinion and then after some consideration and application, illustration of principles, we change our minds.

That neuroplasticity is very important to what we do as umpires and it's more important that we are able to take new information on board than it is for us to actually be able to defend our original positions. We have a lot of practice at that. That happens every day on the pitch. We're out there and a player asks us a question, they dispute our call, we get some dissent, and we defend ourselves.

Let's think about ways that we can actually flip that script a little bit and instead of defending ourselves, think about ways that we can undefend ourselves. De defend. Allow ourselves to be vulnerable. There we go. Oh, that sounded pretty new agey though. Anyway, there you go. So let's see. Paul, um, let's see.

Oh, this is really poorly What is happening with my comments? As per always, they just don't seem to want to stay where they were. Pull, please pull, please. I know this is right on my face. I know, I know, I know, but, and see now I have to bring up another one, but for Paul, it was a goal. It didn't impact the goalkeepers ability to make a save.

Okay, that's something that we'll talk about in terms of a valid criterion that we want to apply. Remember, we're looking for the principles that are going to help us make the best decisions in these moments. And I'm not saying that that's not necessarily something that we wouldn't pay attention to, because disadvantage is not a bad thing.

Part of all of our equations, right? We always want to see, does it actually impact anything? Okay. So we'll come back to that, Paul. Thank you very much for that. Uh, Martina's here. Uh, thank you. Looking forward to spending some quality time with you, migrating my website tomorrow. Do you have any idea how terrified I am?

Yeah. So if you're looking to purchase anything on, uh, the website, do it today. Or wait until Friday, but don't try to do it tomorrow because tomorrow we got some work to do. And Luke is here. Excellent. There you go. And Ian noticing that the defend, defenders don't seem to be complaining, absolutely true.

And that is something that we can sort of take a cue about because at every level there are norms and standards of what they consider, what those players at that level of competition, skill, ability, athletically and that sort of thing, consider to be. dangerous, considered to be disadvantaged, you know, all those sort of things.

So it's not, uh, it is something to think about, but not determinative as well. Scott, your first question is, did it impact play? And you think the contact was after the ball was played and it didn't stop the goalkeeper from defending, therefore it's a goal for you. Okay. And what I would do here, now that we've had a couple of you mention this sort of disadvantage concept, I want you to think about.

If there is a slide tackle out in the middle of the pitch and a player is able to say, uh, it happens, say the ball is taken cleanly and that's fine, but then the slide contact comes afterwards, do we necessarily disregard the danger of the slide? Does danger itself? exist without disadvantage on a particular execution of play.

Okay, that is the question that I want you to examine.

I, I'm, I'm gonna have a gin and tonic the whole time just sitting right next to me. Um, for Urien, it's a free hit defense. Sliding both feet into a goalkeeper like this is dangerous. Okay. And I guess what I would want you to look at, Urien, is I'd want you to look at the position that the goalkeeper was in when that slide occurred.

Because that's a pretty broad blanket statement that I think a lot of people are applying and they're doing so because they look at this as falling under the slide tackle guidance. But there are some real problems with that, which I'll go to in a moment. But look at the position that the goalkeeper is in.

The goalkeeper is not on their feet in the moment. They are also not in possession of the ball. They are challenging for a 50 50 ball. Okay, so you have two players who are coming together and who are both with full control of their bodies going to ground. And the problem that I think people are having when they apply the slide tackle stuff is that they're not necessarily looking at that.

So I'm just going to pop over to the 10 minute yellow card criterion because I want you to see the languaging here and how that's important. So when it talks about the slide tackles here, dangerous tackles that ground or trip players. Including sliding tackles by both attackers and defenders. So we're talking about a concept where a player is standing up and they get brought to ground.

This isn't about a player who is already on the ground because they don't get grounded. They are already there. So the danger is not simply collides with them. There's lots of collisions in hockey all the time. The danger is that a player who is standing and probably doing something else with the ball, if they are a ball carrier, and that's why in particular I put a lot of emphasis on the slide tackle guidance being applied to tackling situations as an automatic, because that's when a player cannot pay attention.

They are distracted, they are focused on the ball that they are trying to carry. And if they are taken to ground in that situation, they are very vulnerable. It is very difficult for them to protect themselves and to see that a slide is coming and then to be able to keep themselves safe. Okay. So it's not simply a sliding action.

It's not even a simply just a sliding action that makes contact. It is. We're talking about situations that ground players, and I'm not saying that a slide that doesn't ground a player will never be dangerous. It's possible, but if it hasn't grounded a player, did it have sufficient impact to actually make that dangerous at all?

Um, I do have another scene here that I want to show, and let's see if I can find Everything's moved around here. Um, let's see. Yes, this is the other one. And this is 9 17, and again, it's, it's got the language that emphasizes taking an opponent to ground. Okay? That is a reckless, dangerous sliding play. So let's not overgeneralize.

Let's not get into that trap that as soon as we see a slide, we automatically say, Oh my god, that's dangerous. And that falls under the mandatory 10 minute yell card. We can look at these situations with the nuance that hockey deserves, and that play at every level deserves.

Hello my friend from Keensham, Mr. May, good to see you. And yes, the level of contact is very important. Okay, so when you have a goalkeeper who's already on the ground and is blocking a space or also trying to approach a little bit and get into the lane of the ball to make a save, how much danger are they in here?

With the actual velocity, the, the, the rate of speed that this attacker is traveling at.

Anik, this is not a sliding tackle on the body with the impact that the person falls down. Absolutely. Absolutely, that's the one. And the goalkeeper also slid. Yep, there we go. So, we're starting to look at the whole situation instead of just that, oh, an attacker slid into a player. Yes. Absolutely true. But that's not the whole story.

We have to look at everything. The attacker blocks the goalkeeper by the slide, so you thought it's a free hit. But, but when does the actual contact with the ball occur here? Sahab? Let's have a look. Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna unplug this and hope I don't regret my life choices. Okay, and do do do do do do do do.

I am, I am living so dangerously, friends. You have no idea. Okay. Here we go. We're going to have a look at this, and I can slow this down. My technology is so good. And I'm going to try to zoom in. Okay. So is the goalkeeper prevented from getting this ball? That's the question I have, Sahab, and for everybody else.

Or did, was it simply a case that the attacker got there first, got their stick on the ball, and the goalkeeper wasn't affected in any way from, from getting to it? And hang on, let's see, as soon as I do this, I'm gonna be In trouble. Okay. Okay. There is the moment of contact right there. How did I do that? I don't know.

Okay. That's the moment of contact. Was the goalkeeper prevented from accessing that ball? Was he obstructed in any way?

He was not. The attacker made the contact with a stick before he reaches the goalkeeper.

Okay. And then there's a soft, relatively soft, Collision of the two players who are both on the ground at the same time.

That was, that was rather smooth. I was not expecting that to work. Let's see how the rest of this goes. Hang on, I'm about to get a cough coming down and I can't find my, here.

Sorry friends, that's, that's why I've been, um, not streaming for the past week since I got home from my travels, is that I have been fighting. A virus of some kind, and I didn't want to cough in your faces because this is, I feel like I'm in your face right now. There you go. And there was no possession, there was no tackle.

And, and so I think this is the point, Paul, that, that I really do tease out from the guidance and I really want people to take on board is that a sliding attacker who's sliding in to make a deflecting attempt at goal can be a threat. Cause danger. Can cause danger to the level that a 10 minute yellow card is appropriate, but it is not an automatic.

It should be simply a, a, a danger equation, just like we would with any other kind of dangerous action, like a use of the stick or, or, or a upright collision that happens in the middle of the field or anything like that. We still have to apply our brains to think of those things. Is it an automatic 10 minute yellow card when an attacker goes sliding in for diving deflection?

No, I don't believe it is. So, this, these are all the things that we need to tease out in order to make the correct decision here. And it's very light contact, says Richard, there you go, and apart from anything else, look at the reaction of the goalkeeper. Yeah, I mean, he's the one who'd be the most mad, and he's not.

Do I have another camera angle? Sorry, Anique, this is the, uh, these are the two replays. This, this is the footage that was on icons. Um, luckily it's not just what we saw on Instagram. Cause this was featured on in, uh, was it on Instagram? I can't remember if it was on Instagram or, uh, yes, that's where I initially saw it and then it was under discussion on probably a forum that you're a part of.

It's a Dutch umpiring forum that I get translations for, and I often think the translations suck. This sucks so I don't, I don't, I don't comment because I feel like, I don't think I really understood what that person was trying to say. So I'm not gonna participate.

Mr. McCartney, you suspect if the attacker's off foot and made contact with the goalkeeper's helmet, not his chest, there'd be a groundswell of opinion behind. Um, a free hit and 10 minute yell card. Is it fair to differentiate like that? Well, that would go to the impact of that slide and the actual danger, right?

So I, I think, I think it might. Would that change whether you're going to award a goal or not? It's hard to say. So now we're starting to mess with a little detailed hypotheticals. And do we keep absolutely every other factor the same, the timing of the contact of the stick, and then what happens after it's really, really tough.

So that might be what Anique was also getting to, asking for another angle as to whether we can see more where the foot was going and that sort of thing. But you know what? We want to apply the standard of, was this particular slide dangerous? Did it ground a player in a way that they couldn't control and protect themselves and they were at risk of having their knee done, an ankle done, you know, breaking collarbone, etc, etc.

All of those things, you know, just don't apply here. And nice to see you Shane. I know Shane's been working very hard. It's, it's been end of the month. So there you go. And yeah, and you totally agree. Okay. So for me to wrap up. What I think on this particular clip, this is for me 100 percent a goal. I don't see any need to apply, uh, any of the criterion that we would regarding slide tackles, because first of all it's not a tackle, so it's not an automatic, and I don't see a degree of danger here.

I don't see that the goalkeeper is disadvantaged at all from actually making a save on the ball. Uh, by the slide and the light contact that comes after contact with the ball. There you go. Let's see what you have to say in the polls. Oh, see, it just couldn't, it couldn't be smooth. Could it? Oh, it's just continue

in browser. See, this is fun. This is fun. Let me use my phone. Pull, please. Oh, wait. No, I need the discord app. I got this. I got this. I hope you've all been doing really well in my absence and that you've all been doing fun things. Uh, edit profile? No, I don't want to edit the profile. I want to

Wait, I know how to do this. You know when you're under pressure? You. You know when you're under pressure and you just forget how to do things that you've done a million times? Yeah, okay. So let's see what you have to say once we actually get to the correct question. Crowding, do do do, this, you know

Okay, we're actually on the correct week. Goalkeeper, slide tackle, no, it's this one. There we go. We have 15 Of the respondents, 89 percent of you believe that this is a goal and I absolutely agree with you. Some of you are looking for a five minute yellow card with that free hit defense and some of you simply a free hit defense.

So I'd like you to consider all the things that we talked about. and see whether that you can realign, you know, your perception with the information you've given. It's really important for us to get on the same page about these decisions. And I saw a lot of things on social media about this play that really concerned me and I hope that when we work through it in such a methodical way and we talk about the application principles and look at the rules and the wording and the briefings, that that leads us to a better conclusion.

Okay. So I hope that was helpful. Let's see what Yirin has to say here. So if the attacker did the same slide, but with a higher velocity, so a bigger impact, it could be, yes, it could be. Absolutely. There's a lot of different things that could happen. in this situation to change the facts. And that's what's so fun about hockey.

So when we look at these clips, it's not to say that the umpire making decision in that moment was right or wrong. It's about us being able to constructively apply the principles so that we get the practice, so that the next time we go out there, we make the best decision in that moment. So there you go.

And, and Mike's agreeing with that. Serves the game best to be able to make proper, better judgments on genuine danger or recklessness of actions. Yes. And I think that's what the players truly want as well. They want the ability to play to the best of their skill and their ability and to make exciting things happen for the fans.

And they want to be safe and protected as well. So there you go. Awesome stuff. Let's talk about a couple of announcements. Announcements, because I always do have some announcements. I want to give some flowers here. Lauren Henderson, who is part of our, a little late on the confetti there, but Lauren Henderson has been named to the Hockey, Euro Hockey judges for Europe.

So congratulations to her. She's been a Green member for a long time and I don't know if she's on. She's, she works some really, really late hours. Our girl does. Um, and sometimes I see her coming in for teas afterwards. After the live streams, we go into the discord server and have. Tease together. I mean, I'm not here to tell you what to eat or drink, but we hang out in a voice channel.

We talk and y'all tell me the things that I screwed up technologically wise or weird words that I said during the stream and I get ideas from y'all and we just generally kind of gossip and stuff. Anyway, congratulations, Lauren. That was a very long explanation for absolutely nothing. And then what else did I want to say?

Yeah. Okay. So just a little thing here.

3k for the third team. And I'm, uh, yeah, so I'm a little, I'm, I'm a little ambivalent about this. Oh, my confetti window has desized. There we go. We'll lock that overlay. Um, I'm not huge on numbers, and if you've watched, I did a live stream a couple of years ago now, I think? It was during COVID. About 92 senior caps, and if you search on the channel and you look for 92, you'll find it.

You'll find it. Um, but what numbers, I think, give us the opportunity to do is reflect on what is actually happening behind the scenes. And what I love about this channel and this community that we've built is that out of the 3, 000 people who subscribe here, so many of you come and watch these live streams.

Not only in the moment, which obviously is, you know, requires A little bit of planning and all that kind of stuff. And maybe you have better things to do on a Wednesday or Thursday morning, whatever the case might be. But the replay Numbers for these live streams are incredible. And there are creators out there who would give their left arms in order to have the numbers that I do.

And it's not about the numbers. What it shows is that I have people here who are very engaged and that I'm really proud to say that I'm able. To serve to this kind of ability. So I just want to say to y'all, thank you for subscribing, for being part of this. If you're coming on a regular basis and you haven't subscribed yet, please do.

I would really appreciate that because it sends signals to YouTube that people like you like this stuff and other people might be out there who don't know about this stuff and they're like you and they would really enjoy it too. So it sends the right signals. If this is your first time and you're not sure, that's okay.

That's okay. Like, let's just get to know each other. We don't have to rush into anything. I'm here for the long haul, and I've been doing this for four years now, and the live stream part of it, and it's been quite a journey. So anyway, thank you. 3k for the third team. Great to have you. Let's see. Was there anything else?

Nah, we'll, we'll stop with that at the moment because I've, we'll, we'll get back to some content and get into other things. So,

goalkeeper slide tackle. This was another Hufte Klasse moment. Thank you, Casper. Yellow trophy smiling.

Okay, let's watch this one. As we go, I can't remember who called my attention to this one, um, but it's, it's sort of in the link. It could have been on the discord server or I could have just seen it on the instagrams and thought, interesting. So I'd like you to go through it. through a couple things. Now, for those of you who speak Dutch, um, maybe Kaspar, um, Yir Yinn, uh, Marchane, if, if you can help me out, if there's things that the commentator says that can clarify for me, if the goalkeeper was carded because of this tackle, because the goalkeeper may have gotten up and gotten really, really mad and said something super rude.

Got in turf for that or the goalkeeper could have gotten injured and that's why they weren't able to defend the penalty stroke that was awarded And clearly, uh, the team, uh, oh gosh, okay, am I going to try to say this? Shaveit? Shaveit? Shaveesh? Shaveit?

The SEH team didn't have another goalkeeper available. Kit it up, I'm ready to defend because they can sub that goalkeeper on a penalty stroke. We all know that in the rules, right? So the goalkeeper has been removed for some reason, so if anybody knows, uh, thank you, Marites, really appreciate that. Carded because of the tackle.

Oh, you know what? You know, I'm just, I'm not happy about this. Okay,

I shouldn't have to do this on every scene. Thank you for all 30 of you who are watching. It's nice to see number, like, so many people coming back after I haven't been here for a while, and I really appreciate it. And also confirmed, um, and also confirmed by Stain as well, and, like, look at it! It's just going, it, the thing is going wherever it wants.

I don't even know why I'm bothering to adjust it. Lock overlay. Okay, let's see if that works. And Tom, thank you. Okay, so everybody's Everybody's got me sorted, I appreciate it. And a 10. Okay, yeah, let's um, let's sort this out. So, what are we looking for here? Okay, let's, let's parse through the facts of this, so that we have this right.

Um, Paul for UPC, the goalkeeper did not initiate contact but did infringe. Did not stop a likely goal. Okay, that is the one incorrect answer. That is the most incorrect answer. Because either this is clean, or it's reckless as to the result of stopping a player. Infringing inside the circle. A penalty corner is not the right result here.

And the reason I wanted to make sure I understood what card was given here is because also you absolutely, absolutely cannot give a yellow card for a foul, inside the circle, and not award a penalty stroke. Cannot. It must be Oh, sorry. Yes. No, I've got that. Sorry. Hi. Out of practice. So yes, the yellow card was absolutely what needed to be given, but it cannot be a penalty.

Okay, so I hope that helps. Um, Anique, uh, difficult to see, but is the goalkeeper touching it slightly? Perhaps? Yeah, we're gonna talk about that in a sec too. Absolutely can't be a CC. Um, you would not have given the card. Well, I mean, in that case, either it was reckless as to the result, or it wasn't, and It doesn't mean that every time a player commits a reckless as to the result foul inside the circle that you would give a penalty stroke and a card.

But if you believe that the goalkeeper was reckless as to bringing that player down in a physical situation, then a card should accompany that penalty stroke. So under the RDI framework, you're going to say repetition, danger, impact, and you've got the danger element there that takes it up that next notch.

Okay, so that's what we're looking for there. Okay, and Lauren didn't have a second goalkeeper. Yeah. All right, so let's see, let's see if I can do this. We're doing this again, where I'm gonna, I'm gonna pull up the file. Okay, let's have a look here.

And do we, do we get the second angle? I think we do.

Okay, so we're gonna slow this down. Oops, we're gonna slow this down a lot.

Not that much, Keely. Okay, here we go. See, I've got my iPad. I'm ready to go. So the first thing I want us to notice, and we can go back and watch the replay where we have the top over angle, but the goalkeeper is quite stationary. They are not on the move. They are not running and rushing out towards the penalty.

attacker. Important to notice there. And in this moment, the goalkeeper still is able to move to their right as the attacker is drawing to their left. Ball on the stick of the attacker in this moment. Everything looks pretty hunky dory in this moment. Okay, ball is here

and

The ball is here and the player has collided with the goalkeeper, with their feet in this moment, without the goalkeeper moving into that player. Now it doesn't mean that a defender can't block space, they certainly can, but the space that the goalkeeper was blocking was this space, not this space. This space towards the ball.

And as the play, as the ball continues, the ball is moving in this direction, which is not the space that the goalkeeper was blocking. The body of walking with their body, brain work. Okay. So I'll bring it back a little bit so we can just sort of watch it again. And actually I'm going to, I'm going to take this angle cause this angle actually is very helpful as well.

Okay.

I'm going to reset the zoom. We're going to look at it again so that we can really center on this.

Okay. So the ball is moving off to the left here.

But the attacker is not moving off to the left. The attacker is continuing a pathway this way.

Okay. That's what I see in that moment. Tell me if I'm on drugs.

And then let's just see if I can also do this in this moment. Oh, that is absolutely not going to work.

We're going to go back to this.

I'm going to bring it back a little bit to see if it's a little more clear. There we go. That's a good clear picture. Okay. The other thing that I want to point out, and this is not a dreck. Okay. But this is an explanation and a continuous dialogue that I'm having to try to convince people that taking high and wide positions on the field when the ball is around this sort of area is a very bad choice at pretty much all levels of play because the ball moves faster than we do and if we're doing under 14 players and the ball is still going to move faster than we do to a large extent but when we're doing Prem Dutch play.

The ball is definitely going to move faster than us. The players are moving faster than us. Okay. And we have an umpire who is high and wide. Absolutely pigeoned out onto the sideline. And so when this ball is now been turned over, And come into this space, that umpire is now maybe, I'm thinking maybe 12 meters ahead in the same quadrant as where the ball is.

Absolutely, absolutely cannot keep up. So as the play develops, it is one pass. And if you haven't identified that that player is going to move into that position, look, high attacker is gone. Absolutely gonzo.

Okay. So what happens at this point is there are actually two players. Who, either one of those players could be within this umpire sightline. And they are nowhere in this picture. Okay? It's going to be very difficult to make an accurate decision. And this is a big decision. It's a penalty stroke and a 10 minute yellow card to a goalkeeper for a team that doesn't have a replacement.

So who cares about all the garbage that's happening in the middle of the field that your colleague can probably get? What about this? We have to get over this stupidity of being high on the pitch and that is why, friends, let's see, it's here.

It shouldn't be such a negative introduction, but mission critical positioning. This is how we prevent that problem. If you haven't done the course yet, If you don't know what I'm talking about, please, you know, use the QR code, go take a look, come into the discord server, ask some questions. This will change your life.

It will change your world. It will change your accuracy levels. There are testimonials there. There are people saying really, really great things and they're absolutely true. Okay, go get yourself some Mission Critical Positioning. And the more and more I'm seeing on social media when there are problems, it's not because the umpire doesn't get it, it's because they're not equipped with the best positioning in order to steal their mind to be able to see what they need to see in order to make an accurate decision.

Okay. Um, yeah, absolutely. And I'm not saying MCP in that situation like that would've been a flash up situation. So let's say you're like really dope on your MCP and you've gotten nice and deep and so you are, you know, let's say you're. Um, You're down in this area. You actually wouldn't want to be there when you have a goalkeeper that's coming out in a supine position.

That's when you want to flash so that you can see down, but at least you would be in the vicinity.

Let's just,

let's just go back to this there. Okay.

Um, there were a couple of questions. Let's see, attacker was offside. Um, oh, and Mike making comment on this, hopefully I'm not contradicting, uh, Contemplate the view you would have it as an umpire deeper near the baseline. You would have been looking almost plumb through the back of the goalkeeper. Right.

No, I don't think it's the supporting umpire. Again, the supporting umpire is taking care of stuff that they have an unobstructed view of, which is great. It's back on the other end of the pitch. This is your job, and you can move, and you can get in the right position to see this as the controlling umpire.

No, it's not a support. They might be able to help, maybe, but take primary responsibility for your primary responsibilities. Do your mission. Critically.

Uh, yep, that's exactly it. That's exactly it. Inside the field, ahead of the play, deeper, and you have to be able to read the channels. You have to see where the likely turnovers are going to happen. What is the team going to do with that ball once they get it? And how do you develop that ability to read the play?

You watch a lot of hockey. There's just no, no ways to get out of that. Uh, Sahab saying that the ball was out of control by the attacker. Yeah, I agree. Um, let's see. I can't even imagine what he would say about this decision, um, and that sort of thing. And it's so, and again, I, I want to press upon you the importance that good positioning gives us the ability to get these things right and what we're looking for.

Defender had the right to stand their ground and have the attacker go around them. Uh, it appears that the attacker went into the goalkeeper. Yeah. I mean, and there's.

The defender has the right to stand their ground in the space that they're not blocking an attacker's ability to get to the ball if the defender isn't making a play on the ball. So there's a little more nuance in that, and I want to be careful about making that kind of blanket statement because it's not quite there.

Okay, um. Um, the defender for the penalty stroke shouldn't have been hopping around for the penalty stroke anyway, pfft, 99 problems. And yeah, they're moving their feet, but they're fairly set. It's Honestly, the, the movement is not the biggest issue. If they have moved towards the, um, towards the ball, if they move off the line, that's different.

And I, I know the wording is one thing or another, but really, is it advantageous for any defender, including one who is fully kitted, to be moving their foot along the line? No, because they're just as likely to guess. So I really don't care. But, um, the spin out, um, yeah. So I don't want to get into a diving, you know, dialogue here necessarily in the things that we look at, but the decision came late, it took a few seconds for the decision to come, the, um, uh, the, the S SEH player, um, gets up to, you know, to look and to ask a question, and so the whistle hasn't gone at that point.

Maybe because the umpire is still crossing the 23 and trying to get closer to the play so they can call a penalty stroke from, you know, their final quadrant of the pitch. And free hit to the defending team. I mean, you could. I think you can just play on. You can just do a very dramatic play on and then deal with the dissent that you're going to get.

Because you are going to get some. You're gonna get some dissent. Okay. Let's see what the poll has to say. This should be interesting. And I am going to scroll down to see. Play on for 75 percent of you. Hey, not a lot of people voted. What's going on? Okay. You can't vote now. I told you what the answer is.

Oh, I love it.

I do have noise cancellation on, but I don't trust it. And I would, I would hate to hear everybody going, Keely, you coughed into the microphone. I'm very, uh, misophonic myself. So I'm very sensitive to having sounds. coming through that shouldn't be there. Anyway, so thank you for all chiming in later, but make sure you get your votes in, okay?

Just exercise the muscle. I make the polls anonymous so you don't have to worry about me going, hey, uh, Rachel, why did you decide to vote, you know, why was your call not what I believe the correct call would be? I don't want to do that. Ooh, that is bitter, you guys. I poured that way too long ago. And you just have to suck it up.

You just, oh. Okay. There we go. Thank you very much for that. I hope that was illustrative. MCP. It'll change your life. You have no access to Discord for some reason. Okay, well, you're gonna have to give me more reasons than that. No access to Discord can be a lot of problems, so I need more information and we have moderators.

On standby. Do we have moderators on standby? I don't even know if we have any moderators here. Martine can probably help if he's still listening. I don't know if he is. Okay, um, I wanted to talk about A few other things. Okay. Some third team things. Uh, just welcoming Mr. Ian Bradley. Okay. Ian, thank you very much for signing up.

You and I still have our introductory, uh, voice session to do voice video. We're going to have a chat and I'm going to get to know you and find out where you're umpiring, what your goals are, and how I can best support you as you're going along your umpiring journey. This is what we do in the FHumpires third team is, um, All that kind of stuff.

Hang on. There it is. And so with the Yellow program, you know, we do Watch parties, which Green have access to now as well, but we do video debriefs of people's games. So it doesn't have to be fancy, it doesn't have to be a VO camera or AI informed or anything like that. It doesn't have to be the quality of the Hoofed Classes we've been watching.

It just has to be a good angle and if you have no other angles, the one that's behind you, if it can be a little elevated, is perfect. Behind your goal so that I can see your movement on the pitch and where your positioning is and that sort of thing. And I can work with a lot. I can work with a lot. So don't worry about it.

But the debriefs are one of the core parts of the offerings of the yellow 13. There's also the clip library. There's also just the amazing people that you get to hang out with in a private area, the discord server every day. So that is what Ian is ready to take advantage of. Ian, I hope you're watching because.

There you go. Um, you're trying on your cell, you're watching on a PC, this is all very complicated. Okay, well, I don't know what's happening, but we'll see if we can sort it out, um, at some point. Okay, so that is that, and speaking of the third team and the yellow, I mean, we were doing some stuff together, okay?

And okay, this is going to be really hard. I have to find my overlays. So, a big, um, thing that we were able to do last month was attend the EHCO. I, I didn't do a wrap up of it, did I? Did I do a wrap up? I don't think I did, because things just were bonkers after that. But Over the same weekend and right next door to the EHL was the EHCO, and yes, Luke is absolutely correct.

We did some things, we did some things, and those things looked like this. Let's see, um, there were flowers that were given out, um, there was a very unnecessary amount of hugging. I didn't approve of this whatsoever. It was disgusting. Um, amazing photos were taken. Um, lots of, uh, lots of souvenirs were, were bought.

That's, um, that's Rochelle, uh, who is now an official tech official. She doesn't know this, but she volunteered once she got there and she ended up being just an absolutely indispensable part of the team, uh, and was partner there. And. So it was great to have her along. There was some sleeping that happened.

Uh, that's, that's Neils. Just, it was a tough morning. Tough morning. Those teenagers don't know how to, how to get up early. Uh, there was, there were umpiring, umpiring pictures taken, some tech officiating. There's Rich and Simon Milford, our amazing chief pedant and fulfillment. Officer, uh, more hugs, gross, gross.

That's Jamal there with, uh, Godders, our very own. Uh, there's Luke hanging out and there's Mr. McCartney and Ms. Sebastian with a beautiful smile as always and Emma and William. I hope I got everybody in there somewhere. I hope y'all got represented in the photos, but, um. It was a very special experience this year.

It was challenging. It was twice as big as it was last year, which meant that, you know, more money, more problems. And it was more of a sort of an administrative experience for me rather than, um, an umpire coaching experience for me. Luckily I did have Jamal and Godders there to really, they worked their butts off and they, um, They, they really handled things ably.

Um, but the most important part was just how incredibly professional and skillful and joyful our third team was, uh, during this tournament. And I could not be prouder of the entire group. So thank you very much, everybody, for your participation and all that sort of thing, and, uh, hoping for next year as well.

We shall see how that goes. Thanks. Right after that happened, I did some other things. Oops. How did that get in that screen? That's the wrong one. There we go. Um, I talked about this, how I did some talks around the UK. I did about eight stops in 10 days, which was a lot. I thought it was a really good way to maximize my time and it was, but you know what?

It was really, really, it was really a lot. It was a lot. But, um, there's a photo there from Keynsham. You can see, uh, Richard May, I think he's in the chat, is in that photo. And then, um, that is Haven't down at the bottom. But only two of the stops that I made. And I picked my most, um, my, my most extraordinarily, um, controversial topics.

I did positioning and management. And it's a really interesting thing. Um, experience to go into settings where I'm sometimes talking to people who, uh, don't I don't see things necessarily the way that I do, and I, I'm in a position of, of advocating for some change. And I really did feel a difference though, this time, as opposed to September.

The themes that I'm touching on all the time, touching on, that I'm outing out all the time, are starting to really come to the fore with all of the umpire coaches and managers. in the various jurisdictions, and the momentum is growing. So it was really nice to talk to people about their experiences, more so in using mission critical positioning, in, uh, managing games with earlier use of cards so that the later stages of the matches are nice and clean and flowing and, and things like that.

So that was really, um, really, really great. And yes, we did absolutely get the job done. Thank you. Oh, you're a retired umpire, Paul. You live in Ottawa. Oh, hey! What? Hi! Hi, Canada. Let's talk some more. Get in the, get in the server. I need to find out all about you. And uh, yes, bucket hats were created. That, that is something I was going to talk, I'll talk about that in the next segment.

We'll talk, we'll talk about, um, that sort of thing. And yes, to be able to meet people in person at these talks is just so incredible. Now you can, and you get a sense of just exactly what it is, why it is I'm behind this piece of glass, and that's probably the safer place for me to be.

There you go. Oh, and Jams is here. So he knows, he knows. There you go. Okay. So that was basically, that's basically been the last month of my life, including some family things. I was able to go up to the North, uh, the actual North of England, not the, uh, North of Luton, but the actual, um, red car. Saltburn, Whitby sort of areas and hang out with family and spend some time there and that was really, really important stuff.

So, and then I got sick and now I'm here. So hi! Hi. Okay. There you go. How are we doing? What's, what's the time? Oh my god, it's one! Go vote in the

poll! Or don't, because this one is a foregone conclusion.

So this one has also been on the socials and not as hugely controversial as maybe some of the others, but we've seen a little bit of a pattern and I just want to be very, very clear that you've gone and voted already. I know you've already voted, so you already know that this is unquestionably a goal.

And there's discussion as to whether it actually touched the umpire or doesn't touch the umpire, if he lifted his foot out of the way, or it doesn't matter whichever, uh, way that goes. It is completely an accident that, um, that just has to be considered as part of the game. But what I want just to point out here is that This positioning here is not necessary, and this is what I said on social media, it's just not necessary for where the ball is in that moment.

And we can sometimes get in this phase where we, we really do ball watch and we get kind of rooted into a spot when the ball's moving around the circle. And instead of this umpire flashed up, which is generally what I advocate when the ball is Hang on. Hang on, Keely. Let's see if we can get this right.

Okay. So when the ball is down here along the baseline, okay, the likelihood of you being blocked is fairly high. Look at those, look at those lines. Those are very, very, so I can see being a little further in, that's okay, but you really want to get out and you want to get up away from that so you can create another angle because right here, and as this play continues to move, The umpire is actually in the hotline.

Okay. So there's two lines that you don't want to be in when you're positioning yourselves. You don't want to be in the tramlines and you don't want to be in the hotline. Cause if you're in the hotline, you're blocking the ball. If you're in the tramline, the players are blocking you. And unfortunately he's quite close to being in the, uh, in the tramlines or sorry, in the hotline in this situation.

So this is a nice. cut in as the ball was flowing, but then he's got to move up and out and he's got to flash and he can flash up to a nice angle. There's absolutely no traffic involved. And so that's something that we need to consider and we need to make sure as part of our habitual movement practice when we're inside the circle, when the ball gets deep to the baseline, we flash.

Okay. And create the angle so that you're up here. Okay. And you're looking at the play from that angle. Instead of trying to look through all these bodies here, right? Let's see what y'all have to say. Um, uh, nope, can't do that. You can't call it a long corner because it's a 23 meter restart. And, I mean, it's not that you're taught that way.

That is the actual rule. Good thing you were taught to the rules.

Uh, let's see what y'all had on that one. Do do do do do. Goal, 100%. Good job. All right. Excellent. We are moving on. All right. Ha ha. That's the wrong one. Let's try this one instead. Diving Defender in Circle.

This one comes off Twitter. Manny Kochar, who I've been having dialogues with for years. Hi, Manny. Hope you're well. We don't often see eye to eye, but there was a constructive discussion on his Uh, threads on this topic and he, he was authentically asking questions and I, I always appreciate when, when Manny tones down the rhetoric a little bit and, and actually asks, uh, for what people see here.

So let me just see. Oh, this isn't actually looping. Okay.

And this is obviously the clip that I was thinking about when we were watching the other tackle. And the goalkeeper and I got into a whole ranty thing about decisions, about, uh, breaking down play and reckless and And Casper's not, he's not pulling any bunches. He's going to. Okay. And I just, I, you know, do you think, do you think this is actually going to work?

Oh, oops. I vanished it. Let's see where it comes up. Okay. Hold please while I drag this around. Okay. It's not just for this, I'm hoping that if I can lock it, that it'll actually be in place the next time I visit the scene. Wouldn't that be fun?

Okay, did you hear that? Let me know.

Okay, so what's interesting about this is, first of all, absolutely no fault, well, a little bit of fault in the umpire's positioning. Um, they are quite wide at the moment. They're deep enough, but they've come from outside. And so they actually probably had a decent angle regardless, but I would still advocate being in a much more interior positioning in this moment.

And then if you need to get a different angle, you move up a little bit and then move, move a little bit out. But starting from that far away and having to make that decision from that kind of wide area isn't going to be very helpful. And no cough. Okay, good. Well, I How about it works on the 17th time?

Okay. Um, let's see if I can pull this up

because we can slow this down a little bit more

and go into this scene. And I wonder where my, um,

I wonder where my face is.

I mean, it's somewhere. Camera D, camera D, but I don't want that camera D. I want that camera D. There we go. Okay.

Fixed it. Okay, let's have a little gander here. So we have the ball gone over in this position here, and I know the frame rate is terrible. The video was not even 720. It was something weird and smaller than that, and I, I'm just dealing with what I have. Okay, so we're okay at this point. There's no contact, and there's nothing wrong with a defender going to ground.

In and of itself. Okay? That is not a foul. That is not a dangerous action. It's what happens as a result. And he's in full control of his decision to go to ground. So that is where the recklessness to the result languaging comes in. We don't have to frame this that he intended to commit a foul here, that, but he did intend to go to ground and that was reckless as to resulting in a breakdown foul, if that's what we do see.

Okay, we have the ball here. This is an incredible stretch. I am, I'm really impressed with the athleticism of these players, because, I know I would still be standing up and just saying bye to the player who had drawn around me so effectively. Okay? And there is actually really nice contact with the ball here as well.

And that's all fine. The problem is this. Okay, is that the arm and the hand, after the ball isn't tackled, the body trips up the player. Okay? So that's where the problem happened. Now, if it was simply, if it was simply the attacker tripping over the stick, totally different issue, but it was the arm of the defender laying down.

Okay? That's what I see there. And the stick does leave the hand. The stick is dropped. I don't believe that qualifies as a throw. I believe that's simply just a dropping of the stick. And I'll just keep playing that here so you can see it again. He's, he's in control of it there and, and actually it just kind of gets pushed out of his hand anyway.

So there's nothing that we have to worry about with that. It is the grounding of the player by using the body. Contacting. The, uh, the attacker there. All right. Let's see what you have to say before we go to the poll. Um, okay. Uh, so Mark, now that you've seen the way that I broke it down and we go through the slow mo, do you see it differently?

I'm hoping yes.

And, oh, please tell me, can you phonetically show me how to pronounce your name? Because I'm going to say it wrong. I know I am, but it's a penalty stroke and a yell card from Mr. Armitage, Armitage, amazing. Um, yeah, it wouldn't be a real stream. Um, and Paul is looking at a penalty stroke and a yell card there.

Okay, and that's awesome. Mark, I'm, I can't be more pleased. Like, that is exactly what we need to do. And I think it's good when our first glimpses of it and our first immediate reactions are affirmed by some diagnosis and some forensic evidence and all this replaying over and over again. Why isn't this replaying?

I don't know. Um, like that's, that's fabulous, but it's more valuable for us to learn by seeing the ways in which, oh, it's this thing I need to change and this thing I need to look for and this factor that I need to consider and this language helps me understand the concept that applies to hockey better.

Okay. So thank you. And I'm, I'm very happy.

And well, there we go. Look, we have so few women. I'm so excited you're here. Wait!

And Cloda, it's a pleasure to meet you. Thank you for coming. And please come into the server so I can get to know you and be very happy that I've met you. Okay? Gorgeous name. And yeah, there we go. Some other people know. Okay, let's see what the poll has to say.

Uh, so nine, uh, sorry. Is there a nine anywhere in there? No, it's 80 per 80 percent or seven of you are thinking that's a penalty stroke and a yell card. And I think you're right. So congratulations on that. And there was one that wanted just the penalty stroke and that's okay too. I do get that. I think the extra physical nature of that could have, you know, that's where the danger came in.

Uh, so I, I would consider that. A little bit more carefully if you were the person that put the penalty stroke down there. Okay. Repetition, danger, impact. It works. And okay. What number was that? Was that five? Was that? I don't even know what number we're on. Let's see. Okay. Yeah, this is five. Okay. Foul oar.

Oh, and I can't, I can't remember if this was inside hockey, which Instagram account it was that put this one up from the pro league. Unfortunately it's muted, but this is what they put up on Instagram. Just this.

So, go ahead and vote in the poll and let me know what you think.

Um, because for me, as I'm watching this, I see a stick obstruction foul by the defender making an unsuccessful tackle. And the question that was posed on the Instagrams was, uh, basically, is this a foul or not? And what I want to raise this as is just a really good example of something that I talk about on a fairly regular basis here, is that this is not enough for us to come up with more of an explanation to think of more remedies.

There were people who were commenting on this saying, yeah, and it's definitely intentional. And I'm like, Bro, like what? How, how do you know? I mean, we can tell that it's inside the 23, it's outside the 5, but we don't have an angle. We don't know whether this defender is, you know, where they've come in from, what direction the attacker's dribbling in, whether the defender had a good track on this and it was just simply a missed tackle, or if it was reckless as to result of breaking down play.

Not every miss is reckless. Sometimes it's just a miss, and hey, this could have been reckless as to the result. It could have, and this could have been the 14th time it happened in the game. And unfortunately, other cards hadn't come out, and this one needs a card, and it needs a penalty corner, and all those sort of things.

But we don't know. So we, as sophisticated, knowledgeable, educated, and continuously learning purveyors of the umpiring practice, and fans thereof, Need to look critically at these situations and just because it's presented to us on social media doesn't mean that we need to have a firm opinion. We can say things like, I don't know,

maybe, could be. These are all acceptable answers in this situation. And in fact, I would say that a definitive answer of any kind, other than the fact that she doesn't get the ball, could be the wrong, the absolute wrong way to handle it. And I've been seeing, I don't know if it's just that I'm noticing it because when you think about buying a red car and then you go out and you're watching cars drive by and all you see are red cars.

I don't know if it's because I'm just so attuned to it and I'm watching for it that I've been seeing it a lot on social media in the last week, but I've been seeing some of these groups and they're, people are putting up very, very brief, like half second clips and then wanting opinions and then getting mad because people are saying that's not enough information.

It's not. And we have to be very careful. I try to be very careful when I show clips on WhatupWednesday. Because I am aware that I am taking something out of context of a match. So I try to, if I have an Instagram thing like this, That's narrow aspect in just a brief moment. I try to find source at least a longer source and try to find a full aspect ratio, a full 60 by nine of the pitch.

So we can see more of the context that leads up to the moment. That is so important to me because otherwise I can't do the process justice. I can't lead you through the right things in the right way. So when you see this. It's okay to say, I don't know. And in fact, that's probably what you should say is I don't know.

And these accounts that keep putting up clickbait shit, stop it. Okay. Stop it. You're not helping. You're helping your algorithm, but you're not helping umpires. You're not helping hockey fans. You're not helping players. You're just adding to the confusion and making this seem harder than it really is. And it's already pretty hard.

Okay? That, that must be the very Dutch, um, way of saying, of, of saying hacking. And we would just call that, and it should just be called a stick obstruction. Okay? See? I'm, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this.

I, I'm, I'm telling you. I'm telling you it's hurting. It's hurting my soul. You know how hard this is to do, like, live? Insufficient information. We have stickers and GIFs. on the server about how this play is incomplete without video and things like that. And there you go. Yep, and yep, probably a free hit. No context.

Um, you know, it, it looks, it looks like it's inside the 23, so, you know, could be more, we don't know. So, it's hard. If Whitehand lifted her stick, she had the chance to retain the ball. I mean, yeah, maybe, maybe, that's, that's another possibility as well. It's hard to tell. And we only see it in slow motion. In real time, it could look very different.

And once we see all of that information at once, We see it in real time and we see it in slow motion. That gives us a fuller picture. Just seeing it in real time is more accurate to our actual experiences, umpires, but when we see it in slow mo, it adds, it fills in the picture and it gives us the opportunity to analyze the principles in a different way that hopefully make it easier for us to make real time decisions when things are in regular speed.

Okay. So there you go. I'll just check, check the poll quickly, just in case for S and G's. Um, don't know. Good work, Richard May. Way to add the correct poll option. And I'm really glad that nobody else like went into other things on that. Thank you. Okay. What time are we? Ooh! Friends? Friends? Okay, I'm not gonna say it.

I'm not gonna say it because I'm gonna jinx it. Okay, there's just a couple things I wanted to show you that, that I've done. We did a thing. Oh, we did a few things. Let's, we'll start with this one. Okay. Um, I wanted to test these out or just actually just get them in the hands of some of the fine folks. I took a few down to New Zealand to say thank you to the New Zealand folk who were so helpful in welcoming me to the National Masters Championships and that's Stephen and Shane and Uh, and other folks, the Red Whistle Journal has come back to rave reviews.

It's really nice. It's a nice hardcover blank journal that you can scribble. Anything in, but you could talk about your matches, question mark. You could talk about, um, that sort of thing. And we are going to use this in some form of fashion with an upcoming beta program that I'm going to run for, uh, yellow plus.

So if you're in yellow or you're considering joining yellow, uh, this will be something that we're going to do a very deliberate programmed Development plan for the duration of a season. And I know not everybody has the same season. So we're starting with a UK season and then I'll be able to roll it out to other areas and I'll try to do the Dutch season at the same time, but I know your timing's a little bit different.

Anyway, it's a beat up. Okay. We just have to try it and see if I can handle it all, but it'll involve pre season physical preparation. It'll involve some mental training aspects. It'll involve some more planned debriefing activities. And more of a, uh, intentional approach to your goals and aims. So anyway, uh, that, that's, that's one thing that is now available on the website, the Red Whistle Journal.

It's really nice. Also this, you, you may have seen this, the Belgian hockey, uh, folks did this when they hosted, uh, the European women's European indoor championships, I believe, in Leuven. And they did the, ask me, I'm an umpire. Let's see if I got this right. I need to open this up so I can, and I, I reposted the reel because I needed to share it.

I needed to share it out to a broader audience. And unfortunately they didn't tag me in it. So I couldn't just like, you know, be a collaborator. So anyway, I took it and I, I reposted it and like, thank you, Hockey Belgium and all that stuff. And they had these ask me with a whistle on the front and it said, I'm an umpire.

So I've modified this a little bit. To say I'm an FH umpire. So if you're interested in this, obviously you can just buy one off the top. If you want a different product design, like you want to like a hoodie or something like that, just send me a note and we can make that happen. And if you have an event coming up in your area where you're gonna have a whole bunch of umpires, especially if they're part of this community, then let me know because I will get you a heavy discount on this.

I. e. I will subsidize. Because this is already pretty, like, pretty heavily discounted. Um, and the price there, like, who knows? That could be Canadian dollars, that could be U. S. dollars, that could be I don't know, rand, it could be anything. So, you have to log in with your geographical locations to know what it costs.

I'm just saying. But, there's a QR code. But, the thing that I am really least proud of, out of all the things I've ever done, is is the bucket hat. This thing is disgusting. I hope nobody buys it. I've already sold like eight and I didn't even list it anywhere. I didn't tell anybody it was there. The bucket hat of irony.

So, um, it's reversible so you can look terrible in two different ways.

I am not buying one of these. Like, I am not purchasing one for my own use. I refuse. So go nuts. Bucket hat irony. It's there. If you ask me, I will do it, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. There you go. Okay. Wait, wait, wait. I need to go back to this and I need to,

it's like a white flag of surrender. Like I give up. What are the nineties? Why are they back? Why, why does my hair look like it did when I was 20? This is literally how my hair looked like when I was 20. And these glasses, probably I wore something like that. I now have high waisted baggy jeans. What is happening?

I mean, I wish I was as cute as I was when I was 20. That would be fun. And there you go. Least proud. It's, I know, and I'm, I'm very unproud of many things.

I know it's the most reviewed item on my store. Please go read the reviews and add to them because they're really funny. Um, you, you would like a shirt, ask me I'm an FH umpire? Yeah. How funny would that be if I sent them one? They would just be like, what? Nationals? Um, yeah. JPAC? Junior Pan Am Cup? We'll see.

We'll see. We'll see if I get out there. And it's, yeah, the journal is literally my black book. There you go. Players of interest? Yes, there you go, Shane. Yes. Thank you.

I, I appreciate that. Um, and yes, the bucket hats arrived. Yeah, that was, that was a picture I didn't put up. Um, whatever. It's, it's only 127. If I, if I'm going to break my 90 minutes, I get to break it however I want. Am I going to be able to find that the photo though? Is it going to take me too long? I was really happy.

Does anybody else have it? And they want to put it in the server? Okay, I can put this one up.

So there's that one.

Thanks, Mike McDowell.

Oh, was there another one?

Somebody decided it was a good idea to put it on my head. And I think it was Neils. The Neils of the sleeping activity. I can't find it. That's bad enough.

Go make me mad and buy one. And then I can take it down. It's a drinking game. Oh goodness. Shout out to Essendon Hockey Club in Melbourne, Australia. All right. Yeah! Wait.

Wait. And this one.

I'm here for shoutouts. And yes, I designed, I designed them live. In tees. So the thing that we do after the stream is over. There you go. Yeah, I think it was nails. So mad at him. Dangerous play? Question mark. This is our last topic, friends. So, oh, this kind of looks a little weird. So, uh, this play was put up on the Instagrams, and I've zoomed this in now, it's a little bit easier to see.

And, I mean, first of all, dope positioning by Kelly Hudson. Okay, can we all just observe? That here's an umpire who is not side on to the play, is not standing out on the sideline. She is inside the field and she is ahead of it, ready to deal with this aerial and make any decisions that she needs to make.

And the decision she needs, she makes in this situation is, yeah, that's right. How do you like them apples? I love a good point of the ball. In the right moment. You don't want to overuse it. Okay, but in the right moment where you just point at the ball, really, really great, really great. And what she's doing there is saying, yeah, go ahead, play that.

It's right there. It's fine. Okay, great signal to use. And so this was a play on situation, uh, Netherlands, um, versus China, China in yellow in the, I think this was pro league in Odisha, but I'm not totally sure. Pro league that just happened in. February. Does anybody remember February? I don't remember February.

So I was going to go back and try to find it, but it was too far and I couldn't figure it out. And, and the vote has ended for this poll. Oh, okay. That's terrible. Well then just tell me what your answers are right here and we'll see what, what we can do. And I will do that. And I will do this. Oh, come on.

Sometimes my efforts to. Oh, there we go. Um, local comp, yellow, uh, free hit yellow if yellow steps up. Okay, so that's a, that's a, an interesting statement. And what I would ask you, Paul, is who has caused the danger? If it's not dangerous until yellow steps up to play it, who is causing the danger?

And I'm not saying that the way that this ball was received means that the Dutch player, who is the initial receiver, is entitled to a larger space than they initially were. I am not saying that the five meters hasn't been satisfied on the first contact because she, she mishandles this and brings it down.

But we have to examine who is creating danger and where does that come from. And if a player runs into a situation where the ball is in the air and this player, the, the, the, the, uh, Chinese defender does approach and. You know, make an attempt, but she doesn't get rewarded for coming and rushing in with a danger decision because That's all on her, okay?

And, block by, uh, she, she does, she does fluff the original control, but is it dangerous, the way that this is played? I mean, Paul, you have to, you have to take into account where the players are moving and why, and what happens, and all we can do is call what is right in front of us, and examine what's in front of us.

And I think Especially at this level of play, that first initial missed control, there's nothing dangerous about that ball falling with the defender in that close proximity. That's simply a play on. What becomes interesting is, after that, then when the defender comes around the other side of the body, the Dutch player plays it over her head.

over to the sideline and then continues play. And that's sort of like two separate little phases that you can examine, was there possibly danger? And what we're going to emphasize here, what we're going to look at, is that there is no legitimate evasive action taken by the defender in this case. They can safely contest for this ball.

And they just get out skilled in this situation.

I, I don't, I don't see any danger at all. There is no danger.

There's no, there's no evasive action. There is no swinging of sticks. There is no anything. This is just absolutely fine. And what we need to understand is with, and, and this is, somebody actually did ask, um, Mark asked here, Aren't we there to encourage skills like this? Yes. Yes we are. We are not here to try to stop the game from developing in the direction that it develops.

We are servants of the game, not, uh, not, uh, prison wardens of the game. We are not here to limit it. We are here to allow it with, within these parameters, keeping players safe and keeping it fair. That's our job. The game is bigger than us. The game is bigger than our opinions as to whether we like the ball being in the air or not.

And I've heard umpires say things like, I don't like where this is going, I don't like 3D skills, I don't like aerials, I don't like this. Nobody cares about your feelings. Your feelings do not matter. What matters is this is the, where the game is going now. And if there's a different game that you can find that doesn't involve these things, then maybe that's a better place for you.

But in this game, this is where the skills are going and this can be played safely. We just see an example of it right here. And that is what we. Are charged with, uh, with, with conducting, with encouraging, with facilitating, because that's what we are as umpires, are facilitators. And let's see, Mike Hata, Mike McCartney, um, pointing at the ball best used when a player has beaten an opponent in such a way the opponent has no clue where the ball's gone and has tripped over themselves.

I know you're kidding. Um, And, and likely to lead to danger and that sort of thing that might, that might be required, right? And, and that's why we get into hypotheticals and your brain imagines things happening at different levels. I mean, two days ago, before it started snowing, I was umpiring Keely Dunn.

High school hockey here in Calgary, and I did a junior game, so players who had picked up the stick for the first time in their entire lifetimes, at the age of 14 or 15, and the way I would handle this situation would be very different. But this situation wouldn't happen because the players can't aerial, they can't receive a ball in the air, they can't do any of those things.

So it doesn't, it's not hockey. At that level you don't have to concern yourself about it and that's part of what we need to understand is how does the game operate at the levels at which we're umpiring and we need to be able to read that and anticipate it and to be able to apply the rules in a way that allows players to develop their skills at a higher level.

Yes, another great Kiwi umpiring option. Here you go. And Paul Greese. There you go. Um, did I say something smart? Hi Benno. Um, I once said you need to distinguish between skill and dangerous play and this was just wonderfully controlled even after mistrapping the ball. Yep. Absolutely. Good work. You made me sound smart.

Thank you very much. Let's see what the poll had to say. Where'd we go? Uh, nobody voted because the poll ended. Okay. I think, I, I think we know. I think we all know what was going on. I want to say thank you to everybody for being here. We are eight minutes over a Keely hour, which is pretty impressive. I thought this was going to be a pretty long show because I wanted to show all those photos and I thought it was going to take me forever, but I managed to run through them.

Um, we will be back next week, hopefully with more material. The Sultan Aslan Shah Cup starts in a few days? Question mark? Yeah, I think it starts this week. So I'm gonna try to keep up with that action. Keep your eye on the socials for any questions that you see popping up. Um, I am happy to give them the fulsome treatment that we do here in What Up Wednesday and, uh, come into the server and we can engage in more discussions and get deeper into all of the things, including how we as a community can band together and make your umpiring journey more productive and a hell of a lot more fun.

So thanks for being here. We will, uh, see you next week and see you in the server. Bye.

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