Live Q&A #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 104

📅 Jan 4 19.00 GMT
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We're working through the KNHB Indoor Hockey Quiz live together!
1. Join the fhu3t Community on Discord
2. Slide into the 🤔 │ KNHB-quiz channel
3. Play along for bragging rights: do you agree with Keely? 😉
4. Dutch speakers can check the KNHB answer session

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⏱ Chapter Markers:

0:00 Chair Dancing
2:27 Get ready to quiz!
12:53 Question 1
16:12 Question 2
22:54 Question 3
26:41 Question 4
30:56 Question 5
35:26 Question 6
38:23 Question 7
41:50 Question 8
45:40 Question 9
49:19 Question 10
52:56 Question 11
55:41 Question 12
58:36 Question 13
01:03:42 Question 14
01:06:56 Question 15
01:09:15 Question 16
01:11:48 Question 17
01:16:09 Question 18
01:19:10 Question 19
01:24:50 Question 20
01:27:43 Question 21
01:34:05 Question 22
01:36:11 Question 23
01:39:03 Question 24
01:41:16 Question 25
01:43:59 Question 26
01:46:19 Question 27
01:49:53 Question 28
01:52:36 Question 29
01:55:27 Question 30

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Transcript

What Up Wednesday. Hey, friends. I almost started on mute again, , it's just been, it's just a struggle, but it's a struggle that I love to struggle with. I am a struggling struggler welcome and happy New Year. I hope you all had a lovely restorative and family and friend filled experience over what we're or we're not your holidays.

I find that the break is mostly an opportunity for me to maybe spend a little less time on this piece of glass. I might spend a little time watching the big piece of glass over here. I did watch some good Netflix and Amazon series. We can talk about that some other time in the Discord perhaps. But for me, it.

It's, it's that time that I really can sort of scale back because the expectations of the outside world are smaller. And I can look and reflect at what's happened over the past year and what I'm gonna do, I did a massive yearly review, year of review, year in review, and then, uh, did my 2023 plan That starts next week.

Cuz this week is chaos. My friends. It's chaos. I, I don't know, like, does everybody start January 2nd? The way that I did? It's been crazy. And of course, what I thought was, let's get back to things in the new year gently. How about running a quiz? Then I don't have to go out and search for clips and think of a theme and do all these things.

Nay, I'll just do the KNHB indoor rules quiz. It'll be easy. It'll be easy. She said to herself in her brain. No, I have 150 scenes lined up. 150 scenes just for the quiz. And we are gonna be executing this and polling everybody's options in discord. So if you haven't joined the Discord yet, first of all, um, why not?

Second of all, oh, and the button isn't working, but that's okay. fhumpires.com/ds. So for Discord server, oh wait, it's right there. It just happened to pop. Here. How lucky that I have a stinger that runs for four minutes. So there you go. Go to the discord server, make sure you're signed up. Agree to the rules, grab an umpire rule.

Don't worry about the rest of the stuff, just just say, yep, I'm an umpire. Get your third teamer rule and then you can join us in the KNHB indoor rules Quiz channel where I am going to start the quiz shortly. So this means that I'm gonna be showing the scenario, the question on in here, and you're gonna need to have discord either open in another section of your monitor or on a second monitor, or maybe it's on your phone.

I would recommend that as being probably a great option if you have just one monitor and a, and a small piece of screen real estate, open up discord on your phone because all you'll need to do is just hit a reaction button with the answer in it in order to pull. So this is how the quiz is gonna work.

Obviously this is the answers according to me because I got the answers that were given and I didn't agree with some of them because it's me. So it may not necessarily be correct. It it's not about being correct, it's about. The way that we as a community discuss rules where our principles lie, how do we apply these situations?

And what is Keely most likely gonna pick? That's how you're gonna win this. I'm just saying that's, that's how it's all gonna work. So hopefully that all makes sense. Each question will run for 60 seconds. The faster you answer, the more points you're gonna get if you get the correct answer. So from a thousand points, if you answer instantaneously, I guess all the way down to a hundred, so there's a big range in there.

So you're, you have lots of opportunities. So if you need to watch the scenario, it's gonna replay for the 60 seconds. So if it's a five second clip, you'll get to see it dozens of times. And if it's a 22nd clip, you'll only see three times. Look, I limitations are good. And then we'll have another maybe 60 seconds for me to talk over the answers.

But obviously while the scenario's playing, I'm gonna talk about my feelings. So you're gonna start to figure out what I think the answer might be. I'll try not to answer directly until we get to the answer section. God, I, I should have thought through that a little bit more carefully. That's gonna be a little difficult.

Let me just make sure that there's no questions or any difficulties with this. Michael Richards. Hi. Well, that was a little bit of a delayed DJ Airhorn, but it's good to see you. Ys here. Thank you very much for popping in. And Matt and I said hello to a bunch of people earlier who were on. Peter, you're gonna join the replay squad.

All, all good, all good. Um, I'll figure out how to do the quiz. I don't know if, if you can, you might just wanna write your answers down and then we'll check back. That might be the way, and it is the best way to watch. Thank you. Um, you haven't had Christmas at Shay. Deadman found. We were all ill. Ah, I'm sorry to hear that, but nice of you to find a way to, to make that up for yourself.

That is awesome. Uh, I don't know. I think that's ambitious to say that, that half of those scenes are gonna work Palmore.

It feels like a cahoot, but it's not because I wanted to make it harder on myself. Why wouldn't I? I'm not in cahoots with you. With you pun yes. And Cahoot has latency problems and all that kind of stuff, and we have, yeah, the logistics of this are crazy. But I ask for your tolerance and forbearance. We are not playing for sheep stations here as they like to.

In the southern hemisphere, no sheep farms are up for grabs. Um, probably just best participation is going to be . What I'm looking for, and I am gonna give a big thanks to Don, who not only brought the quiz to my attention, he also sent me a translation of the discussion. So just point form notes. He didn't, you know, he didn't transcribe the KNHB uh, discussion afterwards with Rob and Coen van Bunge, um, when they reviewed all the sections and gave sort of their opinions on everything.

So it was nice to hear what they thought. I always tried to form my opinion first before I went to see what they thought. And that's why there are times where I'm like, eh, you know what? I just, I don't agree. But that's the fun of umpiring, isn't it? It's all the good fun. Okay. And, and there's traumas from high school.

You, I'm not here to traumatize anybody. There you go. Okay. So, oh, l getting into the quiz and tagging the, at everyone. I like it. I like it. Very aggressive. Luke, I'm sorry that you're not feeling well. I hope you get past this, this little spade of period. It sounds like you've had some, you've, you've had a few there.

Okay, so hang on. A. I need to get everything ready cuz I have to time the start of this, right? So , I gotta make sure I do this right. Bringing up a 32nd timer for myself. 32nd, not three minutes.

Okay. Could I have done this before? Absolutely. Is this entertaining? Hell no. Is my viewer retention gonna be off? Yes. Do I care? No. Okay. Um, oh. Uh, before the fireworks all off, what is there gonna be fireworks that I didn't know about? Fireworks on January 4th. What the hell? What's happening? Okay. Right. So I'm making sure everything's ready.

Okay, that's there. Discord is there. Okay, so, oh, but before we start again as well, can I just say warm? Welcome to Dan Don, who is now one of us. Hang on. Where's my confetti? Holy smokes. Daan has joined fhu3t Yellow and I am so excited to have him. So Don. You're very welcome, and we're already having a good time, and you're bringing a great flavor to everything that we're doing in our mentoring sessions and such.

So thank you and congratulations, and we'll be seeing much of each other of the last little while. Um, do, yeah, of course. I'm always doing a rant of the week. Uh, I'll just pretend, I'll just make one up as we're going. I gotta focus on the quiz. Okay. The quiz is primed. So what I need to do is I need to start it and then I have to wait for 30 seconds and then I start it in the discord.

I know, right? How good is that? So here's the first question. Y'all first question is up for me. So here we go. It's a quick little scenario and much discussion. So you'll be able to see this a few times on the replay, and I'm almost at the nine seconds. And here we go. Now we've got that going. And so you're gonna have a bit more than that.

30 seconds. Okay. And oh, and there's a five second buffer as the quiz starts. Here we go. So the ball ends up under the keeper. What is the right decision? or the best decision, I tried to correct that language. The best decision. Do we want to penalty stroke, a play on a penalty corner, free push, depe defense, the answers are randomized, so don't even try to game me like that.

The answers are randomized. So for me, there's a difference with how this looks in real time and in slowmo, but for me, that doesn't change what I would decide here. We know the goalkeepers can't obstruct the ball, and the question there is, was there an obstruction and was it potentially deliberate? And my answer for this one, I can't wait to see what y'all say.

My answer for this one is that it's a penalty stroke. I feel that the goalkeeper saw the ball. There was no losing sight of the ball between his legs and he brought his legs together with full knowledge of what he was doing in that moment and it directly disadvantaged the player, the attacker, who was there to play the ball.

So he wasn't going to, going to reach in and try to grab that ball cuz that would've been inappropriate

but it's too much of emotion not to be at the very least reckless as to where the ball was in that moment. So that's what I saw. I see we've got some leaders there. Oh, a whole bunch of people didn't participate. So Maxwell Davidson is out in the lead in with 966 points. Come on. Where's the rest of y'all?

What happened? Y'all picked PE corners, didn't you? And that's fine. There are times where I, I have two, um, I have two answers and I've given points for both, but not on this one, cuz I wanted to be a jerk right off the start. Okay. How we doing? I need some music to get me through this anxiety producing activity.

I've got. All right. L are you ready? We're gonna move to the next question and here we go. Question two. Is this gonna work on the last one? The closing of the gaps? Does that is time? Almost powerful. Okay, so this is a shot at goal that hits the player in the face. Definitely does. Um, yes.

So the poll is up. The options are a penalty stroke, a free push to the defense, a penalty corner, or an other I that was on the original quiz. I dunno what the other is, but you're, feel free to put that in the comments if you want or anything like that. This is difficult because first we have shots, a goal, and we know that def, we hold players defenders somewhat accountable for their positioning and their conduct.

The the defender is marking for some time, but then kind of loses track of his player and then you'll look at the distance. How far away does the shot come from when it hits the player. So those are kind of the big two factors that you're gonna look at.

And there you go. Should you be able to see what you voted for? I'm not sure. I think you see what the correct answer is. This question isn't working for you. Well, that's gonna suck. Just put it in the comments for now and I'll try to figure it out.

This is probably one of the, okay, so, so maybe l we need to delay before we start the next. Question there. The, the vote ended early. Okay, good to know. But at least everybody suffered the same fate, . So there was a ton of time for Steve. You want Yes. Click the live button. Make sure that you are live watching the timing on the YouTube video.

So yeah, and the, the, the clip plays separately and then the 62nd timer starts so there's even more time involved. So that might be part of the issue there. So don't worry, I just run this 60, 62nd timer here so that I know where I'm at. But there you go. Um, so for Mike, it's all about a respective player positioning for you, especially the goalkeeper.

And you saw the question before the video. Okay. Uh, good to know. Here. Is it all indoor hockey tonight? You don't have any involvement with indoor cuz you don't have the rules. You didn't get a chance to check the discord today? Did you miss something? We are doing the indoor quiz today, but Rachel, you're welcome to join in and just have a look because there are many principles that are just specifically about indoor rules.

That you might find are very helpful in your outdoor, and maybe when you watch some more of this, you might think, huh, maybe I'll have a chance to do some endorsing and you'll take that opportunity. So don't be shy about sticking around. I hope that works. Okay. So I am pretty sure that I put both options here.

Steve saying, uh, he dislikes the fact the player hasn't looked at where they've shot his head is down the whole time. That that is definitely there as well. My personal vote for this is for a free push to the defense, despite the fact the distance is a little long and the defender has kind of lost track of his player.

I still think that there is a recklessness as to the, the positioning of that player, um, that the shooter is, is initiating more of that danger. You can expect the defender in those quick seconds to lose track of the fact that their attacker, who they're marking has moved themselves past the post. Maybe a self-preserving defender would've moved past there as well.

But coming off the reverse like that, I'm not convinced that the ball's even going into the goal. So when you have the choice between the danger call, And a potential penalty corner or a penalty stroke, and you're not sure, think about how we want to be sure about every penalty corner and penalty stroke decision and goal and all those things.

We wanna be sure of those decisions before we award that fall. Okay. So disco suggests the answer is a penalty stroke. Um, so free push. I, I gave both. I gave both as a correct answer because I can understand that the defender didn't look after himself very well in this situation because he just stood in front of his goalkeeper in the line of the shot.

So I'm okay with that. So Daan saying for you, the defender isn't standing on the goal and was marking an attacker even though he had moved off a little bit. Yep. A shot at goal is not a free pass for otherwise dangerous shots. Absolutely true. I agree with that as well, Don. So, so there you go. So I gave equal points for both because I can understand, but, and if you think it had been on target, you'd give a free push defense.

As would I, as would I. And so I, what I want you to consider in this moment is what, it's not giving you any points, huh? I'm sorry to hear that you write down your answers anyway. I'm pretty sure I did this right. I clicked on both of them. Okay. So l maybe just for fun, I'm going to start the next question.

Maybe wait until, uh, 10 or 15 seconds into the replacing. So this, the, the whole clip will play once and then we'll go into the replay scene and the timer will start. Then maybe start the clock then, if that makes sense. We'll see. If you come into the moderator chat and you, and you're worried at me, then we'll know.

Okay, let's move on to the next question.

So this was in the final of the World Cup in 2018 between nether ones in Germany, as you can see. And in that moment we have a raise in the circle. The things that we wanna consider here are how far away are opposing players, the closer the opposing players are, the smaller of arrays will we tolerate.

Because it's more likely that an opposing player will be disadvantaged when that ball does go up in the air. Because if they're close, they have a chance to play and they can't play the ball in the air and they get set, put off their balance goes, all that sort of thing. That's where the disadvantage comes from the raised ball.

So I might do this as well and I'll vote to make sure. Yeah. Do you notice that guy too? Hey, Mike. That uh, he just got right onto it. Okay. So Steven's asking about whether this might be a drill. Let me look at the replay again, just to be sure. But I'm pretty sure that the distance is far enough. That is well over three meters.

Well over three meters. So if it's further than that, we will not consider that dangerous. We will not consider that a drill. Okay. I'm on the board. God, I'm not competitive at all. I just wanted to make sure that, uh, that, that, that went okay. Okay. Too far away. It's not that it's a three meter rule, it's a, it's guidance that helps you, cuz when you think about.

We have three meter distances in indoor for all the things about the drag flick on the penalty corner, uh, how far away players need to be on a free push. It's just a, it's a handy standard of what we consider to be something that could or could not be dangerous. So that's, that's why we keep that in mind, particular in those situations.

So there we go. Um, there we go. Thank you very much l for that. I think that worked out pretty well. So this was really difficult. This was a very high pressure game and Sarah and I talked about it at length afterwards, and it was one of those games that although she felt she, she wasn't happy with a couple of her decisions, I think this was the one that she was least happy with.

Um, she, otherwise she had a fantastic game. She had a fantastic tournament, but she didn't wanna umpire indoor again after this. And if you ever think, oh, all the top umpires feel great when they umpire, um, that kind of thing, you know, they're impervious to pressure, they're impervious to self-criticism, they're not okay.

They all are affected, even the best. And I do consider Sarah one of the best. So there you go. You're not convinced it logged your answer. I'm not convinced of anything Palmore. I'm not convinced of anything. Okay, we're gonna move on to the next question and let's keep that timing all cuz I think that worked.

I'm at, I'm at a hundred percent so far Palmore another raise ball situation

and probably a similar. In this one, and I think it's actually the same game. And think about, this is in the first half, the other one that we just saw was in the second half. And think about how we as umpires think about staying consistent with our colleagues in these moments as well. Uh, that's a, you know, that's, that's a big consideration as well.

Okay, so I have logged my answer. This is fun to be able to play along a little bit, but I should wait longer. I should wait until right at the end cuz I don't want my, my things to, to influence.

Okay. There's our 60 seconds to watch the clock.

So this is, although in many ways, similar to what we just saw, it's in the circle. It's probably about the same height of the raise. The opposing player is further away from the ball this time. So play on is a perfectly acceptable decision here. And when you see what happens to the ball, That it goes to a German attacker as well.

I'm not saying that that's a sufficient advantage, but it's, it's a good, um, it's a good sort of justice result. Yes, the Dutch player mishandled the ball, but really there was not any disadvantage due to the distance that we're between the players. So that's what I see there. Mike's loving this prep for his attorney he's doing this weekend.

That's great. Okay. And if you're not in the Discord server and you're not able to sort of click on the buttons and play along, please do still p keep your, uh, comments coming through on the YouTube live chat because the algorithm likes it. . I'm not saying that you should do both though. That would be ridiculous.

Yay points. Okay, good. And I'm, yeah, I'll try to get myself down the leaderboard a little bit there. I just, I just wanna make sure that things are working on your end. So there you go. Your outdoor spidey sense senses play out. Well. Luckily your outdoor spidey sense was working Shayne, so also go put your tires on, uh, and your indoor, that's all of it was for you.

So I'm gonna change this for next year and make sure I do all my indoor stuff in later November and earlier December. So there you go. Rafes. Yes. You can see the Germans don't even want the PC yet. They're not even asking for it, which is a nice indicator. And Daan saying you do have to, you, you have to fight the initial reflux to blow a pc.

Yeah. It's not easy. It's not easy. And, and at some levels of play, the players will not understand. But if you watch, I think it's Vilma over there, uh, on the far side, she is giving the big signal, just like Sarah did in the, in the clip before. But the big signals coming out. Use your voice, use that. If you do nothing, it, you appear to be indecisive.

So make sure it's something. This is my decision. Play on advantage. Play on. We had this conversation with the server. Okay. We are coming up to question. I think this is question five. Yes. Question five. Okay. And the key is, as Mike says, is how fast that PlayOn signal comes. Absolutely. I actually, I, I'm actually liking getting the discord comments here because you guys are commenting quickly and there's no lag on that.

So I'm more likely to be in time with the same comment. So let's move to question five. Same timing.

It's going pretty well. Okay. Attacking play in the.

Something that you may not be able to pick up as you're watching this, but I can inform you that the ball does go off, the defender's left foot and not her glove in this situation.

Okay? Loving the delay.

Yeah, it's giving you a little bit more time to think before you see what the options are, which are a free push for the defense, perhaps for drilling or danger. A central line restart because the play has gone off the end line. Last touch by a defender, a penalty corner for using the foot, or a free push defense plus a card.

All right. These are difficult and what I find is it's, it's really hard for us to look at an attacker getting the favorable result, which is in this case, playing the ball off the body, and therefore, in any most circumstances, earning a penalty corner or. Being played hard from within three meters at a set stationary defender who just doesn't happen to have their stick down on the ground.

Now are we only protecting the hand and the face of a player? Are we protecting their toes as well? I'm not sure why we would treat the feet any differently in this case. If the stick is, if, if their feet are within their body distance, why would we encourage attackers to take this shot? We should be discouraging this.

And just because the player doesn't have the glove fully down on the ground for me doesn't mean that this isn't a turn and fire situation. So I like the free push defense. I would not give a card in this situation cause it's not a very hard shot. It's very early in the game. And uh, yeah, the card for Rachel's dependent for prior actions in the game.

Yep, that's a big one as well. And it is the first half of the game and only five minutes have gone by so far. So. You, you can estimate, you can guess that there probably haven't been any other drills, so that's very helpful. Um, Chris Palmore saying that the m p guidance had, uh, that he's added the, this is a card every time with a spin and a set like that.

Yes. I don't know why we Well, you would say no, you can and, and I know that part of it is because an outdoor, we're like, yeah, go ahead and break their feet. We're fine with that, break their toes.

But the reason we protect those things in indoor is because there is no other option that the attacker can't go over the stick. There's no three dimensionality that's allowed whatsoever. So they just have to go around. They have to go around. Yep. And I, and I understand Daan is reporting back that, um, that RTC thinks it's a, a clear penalty corner.

And in this instance, the umpire just didn't even see the foot contact because of the angle that she was at happens. Okay. And thought that it was, thought it was the, the, the glove or the stick or something like that. But I really, I really think this is an encourages dangerous play. And the only variable is, is the defender able to get their hand right down on the ground and have their hand broken, or have their foot broken?

What's the difference? Okay. Thank you for that. Let's move on to the next question. It's going pretty well. I think. Rough start on the first couple. Okay.

This moves very fast. You get to see it several times

and it's very difficult.

Oh,

Yeah. You're okay Al. We fixed that. That ended up being a really poor decision to try to do.

So the options on this one include just playing on a free push for the defense, a penalty corner or other.

So what we're looking at here, there's a couple possibilities

and I, I kind of feel like I need to try to pause this for you. Okay. Right here in this moment. Very, very luckily, if you can detect, oh, the timer ran out anyway.

Is the ball has come off the goalkeeper, off their kickers fairly high up on, on their leg guards, sorry, fairly high up on the leg guards. And the attacker is quite close to the ball. And if you're not able to pick it out for me, what I see is the ball is still in the air when it's played in the manner that it is by the attacker.

Not enough to be a hit, but it was certainly directing the ball out of the air. And that is the decision that I believe that the umpire saw in that moment. Remember I didn't pick these clips out. I wouldn't have picked this one because it's, it's really difficult to see from the angle of the cameras out, but let's see how everybody else did.

Okay. And we talk about the difference between the ball coming to the stick and hitting it and dropping, or the player moving their stick to the ball. And in this instance, even though it wasn't far enough to be a hit, it wasn't 50 to a hundred centimeters away, it was enough that the stick is moving to the ball, directing it forwards, directing it back at the goal as a secondary shot.

So that's the free push excitement at top of the table is Car Cattel Santos Overtakes Maxwell Davidson. Oh my. So exciting. Hi, radio voice, and Rachel's on scoreboard. Alright. Okay, moving on to the next question.

How would you approach this in an under 12 game for Anna? I'm not sure exactly. Oh, you'll catch up on the replay, Scott, good to see you. And Shayne is watching and learned. Learned today. There you go. In an under 12 game in many of these things. Oh look, we have a broken scene. Isn't that nice?

Oh, ah.

I will just play this on replay as best I can.

Yep. So this will just keep looping for you now. Okay,

so the question that's gonna be , Hey, L Probably not many.

Okay. This is, uh, the question is, is this a drill or not? Okay. So go ahead and jump in, get your vote on there. So the things that we look out for drilling are is the ball played hard from within about three meters towards the shoulder, hip, body width frame of a player. Those are the things that we're working for.

And that defender to be somewhat set or stationary and are those in place in this instance, is up to you to decide. Okay. And let's see, we're probably at 60 seconds. You've probably had lots of time to answer this one. You didn't need it. Didn't need it. So there's time shoulders. Is that weird? Did I say it weird?

There you go. Okay. So for me, this isn't drilling cuz it's played, it is played hard into the stick from a close distance, but it's outside the body of the player. We do not protect sticks. We only protect the body, but I think we protect feet too. Okay. I know I was trying to, I mean by the time I get to that, you probably have made up your mind and hopefully you voted because you wanna get the most points.

But I do wanna sort of, it's kind of like giving hints throughout. There you go. So not a drill. And it's difficult because just like we do historically for stick obstruction, we react to the sound of the sticks coming together. We react to the sound of the ball coming into the stick, but we have to watch what the defender is doing, just like we do with a stick obstruction.

When it comes to a potential drill, where is the ball moving towards that player? Okay. Oh, Maxwell Davidson moving back up. My goodness. This is a hot race at the top. Very, very complicated. Okay, let's hope that we get back on track with the next question. Number eight, we're steamrolling right along. You can kind of guess what's happening in this moment

just from the setup.

What I find interesting about this situation is even before the shot is let go, there is an argument for an obstruction here, and if we take too long to make a decision on something like that, obstructions can turn into dangerous situations because players get frustrated and they start to. I need to do something about this.

I need to push, I need to reach my stick in between their legs. I need to do something else in order to gain access to the ball.

I gotta get rid of that voice over there. Gotta get my vote in.

So hopefully for all of you on this one, you went for a free push to the defense plus this yellow card. It was a very dangerous situation. The player knew that he had a marker right in front of them, even though that's not the player who he drilled. There was somebody right there, he wasn't very happy about it.

Afterwards, obviously, and the turn and fire of this, the players have to be moving around, but they also need to understand if they're gonna turn in fire. It's their responsibility to understand where everybody else on the court is. Okay? So there you go. And I, I think, yes, that I allowed points for either the green or the yellow, but when Anna asked the question, if this was sort of pertinent to.

How would you handle this at a junior level? You would take more time to explain, but you might still progress to the cards in the same way. If something is this dangerous. Okay. Because the players need to learn early and when we just have a conversation with them or we just blow or whistle loudly at them, they don't get the message.

We think we're being very clear and very obvious and that they should be scared of us. But when juniors are playing, it's, it's like, it's like a crimson mask. , they, they are not taking anything at all. So don't be concerned. You can give cards with empathy. You can give cards with a brief explanation. You can speak to the captains as that player is moving off the pitch and say, we have to stop those turn and fires.

I want everybody to be able to go to school tomorrow and be able to write their exams with their own hands. Okay. Um, Chris, he's clearly doing the big step around to get around the first defender yet, but hasn't exactly. He's just not aware enough, and that's why we put so much responsibility on a player who was turning and firing.

That is a very reckless action. Okay. Should he have known that somebody was there, he should have been attuned to the possibility and not attempted that maneuver in that moment from that angle. Okay. Great work, everybody. I hope you're having fun. I'm, I'm kind of enjoying this. I'm still extremely nervous.

Okay, we're moving on to question nine.

Yeah. This is, this is a good one. This is a good one. Yeah. It's Mike. It's a level of protection not afforded to players in the outfield game. It, it is, it's, it's a very interesting question and I am, with all the conversations about concussions and all the conversations about penalty corner safety, why this not isn't a point of discussion is of great concern to me, because I'm not saying that things necessarily have to change, but why are we not considering it when it's so clearly something?

Um,

that, that, that could result in exactly the same number of injuries and that sort of thing.

Okay. Just about at the end of the 60 seconds here, you, you got to see that clip lots of times, but it's a hard one. It's a hard one cuz we've, we've gone through their cri the criterion of what constitutes drilling and one of the things that we're looking for, I think straight into the body is there, I think the three meters is there, but the question is, was this hard?

And I think that it's not hard enough that you would want to, um, it's, it's not so hard that you would ever call a card. Okay. But, and, and I think I went with the consensus answer that was, uh, presented by Robin Kun in, in that moment that, because it's not hard, you can play on from this situation rather than call the free push defense.

But I just saw it again and I voted yes that it was drilling, but it doesn't require anything more. But the message is clear. There's no, there's no complaints from the German, you know, they're like, well that, but that wasn't even hard. Like, they're just like, yeah, okay, I won't do that again. I'll go around.

So that's kind of the nice part. Hang on a sec here.

Okay. It's better. It's getting very dark. A lot of people, doc got dock points on that one.

That means it was a hard question, so I get it. And it was one of the , it was, it was one of the most, one of the two most difficult questions on the quiz. I thought I was tempted to give points for both answers, but that just seems Yeah, it is. It's just, it's just poor. Like why would even try that? So answering that yes, as a drill is almost just like, it's more about setting the standard of, of what you consider to be, of the kind of decisions that you want players to make and discouraging them from making bad ones.

That's what it, that feels like more to me. Why I would still say yes, but I got it wrong too. I, I answered my own quiz wrong.

All right. Question 10.

So , remember I didn't pick out these clips.

we only see this in slow motion and it's kind of weird

when you do that. So

I, I can't wait to see what I actually did with this one, cuz I can't remember now.

But what you can surmise from your watching this is that the defenders, even though it's in Slowmo, they don't move very much. So the attacker moves, you know, from that turn position and he's doing a turn and fire. Okay. And then it's taken into the sticks.

Um, yes. Did I squirrel out? Yeah, probably.

Um, yeah, sorry Al, I won't be able to do that at the moment. You just need to make sure you pick the quiz bot play and resume instead of the other ones. There you go. I gave two answers. I did give the, it's in slow mo. How can anyone tell? Because I just think that's crap. Don't do that. Um, but I do agree that this is a good, this is still a turn and fire and even though the right-hand defender moves a little bit to his left, it's still within shoulder length I think.

I think it's still there. So it's not really drilling for the defender to his left, but it is drilling for him. His hands right there. So I don't like this play. I know that the, um, the RTC c v B version was, no, this is fine. Play on, and it's definitely not a card for me. This is still a drill. And why does this get a green, not a yellow?

Probably because it wasn't hard enough and you couldn't really tell on slowmo was yellow an option? And rais, how could a player think that gap is the perfect spot to go through? Yeah, like it's ridiculous.

It's ridiculous. So there you. Denman, if you're upset that you didn't get points for the L card, I apologize. Yeah. And I just, I just don't, I I agree Daan that it's very little movement. It's very, very little and in real time you're never gonna see that. Never, it's going to look exactly like a drill because they're literally moving this far with their stick.

So, and there wasn't any real da genuine danger there. And again, it's hard to tell. So that's why I made sure to give points for the slowmo answer. Okay. Moving on to the next question. We're on two 11, only one broken scene so far. And trust me, that one wasn't my fault. Another Slowmo only

Ha.

So you're trying to gauge here, I mean, there's a few possibilities. There's the possibility that the goalkeeper does nothing wrong in their slide, and the attacker is moving the ball away from them. Essentially shielding the ball. There is the argument on the other side that the goalkeeper has created contact with a player and the player is, is moving away in this moment and the goalkeeper has just gone through them, in which case we have a, essentially an obstruction.

But is that inside or outside the circle? Where's the umpire? That's a very good question. I have no idea where the umpire is, although probably from where they are, if we can't see them, they're probably in a better spot to see the foul. They're just extremely wide and I can't, I, I really struggle with the classic European positioning in indoor that is so favored and you see everywhere in England now as well.

I just don't understand it because the same principles apply. Having that inside view at times, being close to the post, being in the happy place, all that kind of stuff. But for me, I think that the first contact and disadvantage happens inside the circle. The goalkeeper just happens to have enough momentum that he carries it out, he carries outside the circle and carries the player outside the circle.

So for me that is a penalty stroke for an intentional foul inside circle.

We don't look for the end result where it happens. Where was the player initially disadvantaged? And that initial disadvantage occurred inside the circle, even though the ball was without. That's my answer there and I forgot to answer. So I lost points. I'm terrible. It's very busy. Next question. Card is possible.

Card's possible, but I think a penalty stroke might be enough in many situations. And Denman don't be a goalkeeper about it. Chris Oak for Raphael. Yeah, and if the umpire's in the correct position, they wouldn't have seen it and the call came from the supporting umpire Anyway, so there you go. So in this scenario here, we've got a attempted shot at goal.

There's a few questions you can ask yourself. You can ask yourself, first of all, is this shot being taken from actually inside the circle? If the ball was raised

in an instance where it cannot be a shot on gold, cuz you can't shoot from outside the circle and you can't intentionally raise the ball except for a shot on. So if this is being let go outside of the circle, then you have an issue as to this not being, you know, being an intentional raise of the ball.

And that's what Rachel sees as well, that the ball is lifted from outside the circle. Um, let's see. I just had to get a vote in to make sure.

So I, I see your, I see your, your point, Steve, but I still think that the player was moving, was moving away and the goalkeeper did not have control of their body in that. Si in that situation, if the goalkeeper had been there, you could have started making arguments for shielding, but you couldn't because the goalkeeper was just sliding through.

So,

oh my God, I clicked the wrong button. . Don't get mad at me, you guys. Okay. This is very hard. Nobody got points including me. Yeah, the question went wrong. This is definitely for me, a free push for the defense and the card. Even if this is a legitimate shot at gold, this is still Dr. Drilling because the defender is doing an amazing job.

Even though they're not stationary, they are set vis-a-vis the player who's carrying the ball. And in front and taking away that space. So don't watch the attacker, don't watch where the shot's coming from. Look at the defender who is there and taking away that space. So there you go. And it's supposed to be a free hit.

Yeah, it's supposed to be a free push defense and card. Sorry. Okay, that one's on me. I'm at one.

Williams Mad cuz he would've gotten a thousand points on that. There you go.

I can't speak any German, but I've watched this clip so many times and listened to the, listen to the commentator that I've, I've got the intonation down pat. So a few things to examine in this scenario. You're not gonna see it as many times on replay cuz the actual clip takes a little while. So make sure you focus here.

There is the motion of the attacker. Stick in playing the ball that you'll wanna consider. And then you might consider what happens to the ball when he makes his initial motion, his first attempt to play that as a deflection. Okay. So those are the two things that you're looking. And your options are, are between a free hit, put, free push for defense, for hitting, for free push, for defense, for raising the ball, or just a goal, which was the call on the pitch.

The was echoing through your head. I know. it. I don't, what does it mean? It probably means, and the goal or something like that, but I don't really know.

Okay. Let's hear what you've got. For me, although the ball is misplayed and there is some direction, there is some movement of the stick towards the ball in order to try to deflect it. It's not big enough to qualify as a hit. It is not more than 50 centimeters in this moment. And I think the attacker kind of gains the benefit from the fact that the ball is, um, you know, he's trying to, to deflect it in a weird way.

And if he was trying to put, to deflect it and change the direction somewhere else, he might have actually done a different motion that would've got tacked. But for, for this, I think he's fine. There's very little, uh, there is no race on that ball. Even considering and there's nobody who's disadvantaged, even if you would call that much as being a raise.

Okay. So, oh, his name is, oh, his name is, okay.

Okay. . So that's where my call was. Oh and oh, that's cuz Raphael's Impi of enough because you do some Bundesliga. This is awesome. I hope you're enjoying this. Raphael, it's good to have you along. Is a hit in indoor different than outdoor? Yes, uh, to a certain extent. The indoor definition actually informs the outdoor.

In this case, we look at the same, if you can argue that a hit is a hit in indoor, it, it really kind of extends to outdoor for penalty corner situations when you're trying to distinguish between a deflection and a hit and the, the movement of a sweep, the fact that a sweep is still a hit, if there's enough backswing involved, you know, those are all things that are informed both ways.

When you have more than 50 centimeters before you stick and the ball, it is a hit. Yes. And I mean, obviously 50 centimeters is. Is pretty tough and but what you can say is one meter is definitely too big. 50 centimeters might be okay. So I look for a more than and trending to a one meter, basically the play in the circle looks like a hit to you.

Would you accept a penalty stroke taken like that?

Interesting. Let me just see that replay one more time of that initial,

that's okay. That's not more than 50 centimeters. And yes, we, we are really trying to temper being technical as Daan saying about technically calling the rule with 50 centimeters and one meter and all this kind of stuff is really, what are we trying to eliminate is players creating danger for other players by hitting the ball on the court where you can't raise it and everybody is very, very low and we don't want follow throughs going into anybody's faces.

So for me that one is, no, that one's fine and we are not getting any tape measures out. Microphone 14, this might go over time.

This is the final of the Yeah, it's more than achille hour, that's for sure.

Yeah. We're only halfway there. We're Bon Jovi away and we're living on a prayer. Okay, so this is a really difficult one to spot and that's, it's one of those times where what you can consider is what is the angle of the ball that's traveling towards an umpire. In this situation, when it's traveling straight towards you on the court, it's very difficult to see whether it's been raised.

When it goes across your vision, you actually have a better chance at seeing that. So you're supporting umpire may be better situated to see that because you seeing this is a lot harder than seeing this, if that makes sense. I hope I've explained that right. So , Hamish is just loving it, pressing random ones and reading the comments

And I think in, in, in this kind of situation, this is a really, this is a time that if there was video review in indoor, which there isn't, this is one that the video umpire would be able to give a very quick advice on. This would be something that a colleague could help on as well. Um, big time and, and in a big call and a big moment in the game like this, when you have the approach by the players for us in our situations, why not stop time?

Look at your colleague first, and maybe you're close enough that they can say, actually there was a raise. And they can give you that indicator and then you can say, cheers. Thanks very much. We're gonna start with a free push. Wait for my whistle to restart time. Thanks very much.

Okay. And you seem to have gotten points for the wrong answer. Hmm. Interesting. I wonder what I did wrong there.

Hamish is gonna be replay squad. Okay. Good to know. All right.

A tough one because it's sort of one of those, again, a clip that's hard to. And we'll move on to the next question.

If the ball hadn't been raised towards the circle, how close it to be a pedal stroke? Cause the keeper is quite away from the line of the ball going towards the goal. There's no intent by that player to raise the ball. So

it was just a breakdown of skill, but that breakdown of skill was caused by the way that the ball was sent out him, cuz it was already a little bit bouncing and that makes it very difficult to make that reception.

So this situation, we're looking at how the defender plays the ball.

So would you restart with a central line restart? Would you restart with a penalty corner here, or a free push to the defense because they were obstruct. Obviously that's not a very popular answer for me. I'm just trying to give you other things to possibly talk about. No, that's okay. S Denman, you ask all the horribly wrong questions that you want because this is how we learn.

Okay? And I'd rather you ask these questions here than, and get these mistakes outta the way here so that you're not making them when you're on the pitch.

So, although the ball isn't played with very much vigor determination, the body position of the defender here is clear and the stick direction is clear. For me. This is a restart with a penalty corner for playing the ball intentionally off the end line. I hope you all agree. Raphael, what do you think? I can see that you're typing.

It's actually the second time it happens. The first time it's earned the game against Manheim. Uh, everybody knew it was coming. Yeah, that really helps. You'd start with a bully. Stop it. Daan . Nobody likes a bully. 16. Next question by the way. Sorry, I have to make sure I say the magic words for l.

Now what's interesting about this clip is that when you go through the indoor briefing, there's a lot of talk about how we are trying to clean up the execution of these penalty corners and making sure that the injection doesn't take too long. So for me, there is quite a significant d delay between when the whistle is, is blown to begin the penalty corner and when the inserter does not, um, oh, we're missing a,

yeah, we're missing an option there, but that's okay. Y'all are gonna get it right anyway, and this is just one of those rules questions to know. Yeah. I mean, Raphael, but it's, it's a combined question, right? Because if you know that a goalkeeper can't take part in a game outside their own defending half when they're wearing their full kit, then you know that that possibly can't be an answer.

So that's very, very helpful. Was it a delay at the time, the way that these matches are being adjudicated and they were being interpreted? It. I'm not surprised it wasn't called that way with this reinforcement that's come from the f i h and the way that it will be called at the indoor World Cup in South Africa in February.

Undoubtedly that will be an issue and that, uh, that injector is going to be sanctioned for a delay, I believe.

How is one an accept? It's not an acceptable answer. It's not. I don't make up the rules. Okay. Or I didn't make up this quiz. I modified it in some places, but there are many unacceptable answers, including all the ones that I wouldn't pick.

Disagreeing with me is an unacceptable answer. Next question.

I said it as an unacceptable answer. What? Oh my God,

that's, I think I'm up to three now.

I said it as an answer that gave points. Can the goalkeeper be nominated? No,

I dunno what's happening. Okay. How would you restart?

Again, this is a bit of a vision, uh, issue here, but what you see is the attacker does get the ball and the attacker actually starts pushing the ball towards the end line a bit, and then the defender looks to take it on the reverse and maybe gives it an extra touch and he's gonna take it on the reverse and maybe try to spin out or do something else.

The difficulty with these decisions when the ball is being played in contest so close to the end line, I think you're putting the defender in a very difficult situation. And that was the first one. Okay. It's good to know the k and h B is following the plot there. Raphael, it's good to know you're torn between two and three.

It feels like he's barged into the space occupied by the white defender. Um, he might be there

and I think what Raphael sort of points to is that they're definitely being consistent about the threshold at which something is considered intentionally playing the ball at the end line. But it happens so quickly in real time. What I don't like. Oh no, it's the red. Wait, which direction is it?

The red. The red player is the defender. Raphael, you should have caught me on that one. In which case, yeah, stick blocked by the attacker. A him.

Yeah, potentially a little bit. But I don't think that disadvantaged there was some kind of contact, but there you go. You press the wrong button. William, look, I can't be the boss of you. So for Daan or for Raphael, the defender's taking all the options by pushing in the direction. Yep. There you go. Stick to ball pc.

Ball to stick. Central Army. Start. Yeah. And so I just think it's like, yeah, off it goes.

I think I didn't know which direction the players were playing when I first looked at this. Y'all got a thousand points. Sure. Uh, of course mods get bonus points. You always do. Does it take the first answer? I don't know how it awards the points. I just know that the faster you answer, the more points you get for a correct one.

But he isn't in contact with the ball though. I don't see how he could have been allowed to tackle instead of letting go of the ball.

I think he's anticipating that he's gonna get in a shoving match with the attacker and he just pushes the ball off the inline cuz the attacker doesn't really bite. He lets him go.

It's a tough one. Did I Did the answer already? Go through. Oh my God. Okay. 18.

Strict time limits and everything. How's that working out for me? Not very well.

Hi Steffan. Good to see you.

This is another one playing the ball off the end line.

looks looking for the best non indoor umpire score. I love that. So like I was mentioned before, I think it gets really difficult when the ball was that close to the end. What do the, does the attacker gain the too much benefit by taking the ball into that area such that there's very few options for a defender?

Because basically what we have here is no touch there. But then the second touch,

the Australian defender stick is per parallel. Parallel to the end line, and the only way that he could have truly ensured that the ball didn't get played off the backline would be to defend with a perpendicular stick and probably even a less of one, just to make sure, like even a little bit more of an obtuse angle in order to make sure that the ball doesn't ricochet off the end line.

If we're gonna allow such a high threshold as what is a deflection, cuz a deflection can still be intentionally playing, it's different. So for me, again, penalty corners are big decisions and you wanna be sure, and I think this is a tough one to give as a penalty corner. There could be an argument that the penalty corner was actually given for an obstruction maybe, but that player is going nowhere except the attacker is going nowhere with that ball except right on the end line.

And what is a defender going to do in that moment?

So what are their options? And I don't think they have much of an option there. And there's no stick motion from an Australian player. Yeah. So I think it's really hard. It's really hard to give that.

Um, let's see. So yes, I, I gave points for the central line restart, so hopefully lots of people got that, but apparently I went down. Maybe it means that you're actually just getting passed by other people. Not that you got it wrong.

That might be how we're misinterpreting all of these things.

Consider that friends, maybe I haven't screwed up as much as I thought I had. Next question.

Well, we'll be able to do a thorough audit of this. I get a report after this is done and we'll be able to see

very complex situ.

Yeah. So your points stayed the same. Interesting, Luke.

Okay. It looks from the motions of the umpire Christian Bosh that, um, he's calling it for points of contact. Okay. That's probably the one thing that you can tell did not happen here. And if you're looking at this from a critiquing standpoint for umpiring, this is why I hate the wide European style of indoor umpiring, because you will get these decisions.

It'll be very difficult to see this. He's late into the circle, he's late watching this. It's just not, it just doesn't work for me. So

if you are ahead of this play, if you're in your happy place, you've got a chance. I didn't say next question. What? I didn't, I, okay. I'm sorry, Al, I will not make you grumpy because you're doing such a great job in helping me out. There's a delay anyway, right? So many things happen here. There is the potential for a foul at the first tackle,

but I think that you can play on pretty. From that one, there's a good opportunity that arises from this. So I like the advantage that comes. And then the ball is shot at the goalkeeper and the attacker is falling down in that moment and the ball gets played into their body. So for me, I think I chose the, the initial call is the advantage.

And then it's a free push for the defense because the ball is played into their body by the goalkeeper and nothing else the goalkeeper can do. And the player at that mo moment is lying on the pitch, not when he took the shot, but afterwards deflected off the defender. Stick into the goalkeeper, back into the defender.

No, no. I think the attacker, it's, it, there could have been a deflection off the defender's stick into the goalkeeper, but into the attacker.

No, cuz it, it touches the attacker. There, there, I'm pointing right at it. Why can't you see it?

And now I'm watching it even more carefully for the 20000000th time. No, it to, it touches the attacker first. Like, look at the trajectory. Again, if we had a better angle and if the umpire was there, they would've seen, it's like the chest and you thought you'd been tripped. That's why you went for advantage to a penalty corner.

Well, if you think he's been tripped, then you call just the penalty corner. Right? The penalty corner has to be called in this moment cuz you say that's not sufficient advantage. If it's sufficient advantage, then the next decision comes from a secondary, like your pounded corner would have to be a, a foul that you call in the second phase of play.

You're declaring here that this defender does something wrong in this to tackle as he is stretched out on his reverse.

Okay. Only the defender's sticking glove with, without contact the attacker. So as you were, thank you. I'm glad I got that. And you thought that too. So staying early penalty stroke for the stick of the defender, 25 is, that's more advantageous. Um, and and that's more advantageous than playing on with the defender close.

Yeah. I just, I, I d I think if the

Yeah, it's, it's difficult. It's difficult to say. I just, I don't think that that is a reckless attempt at a tackle by that. I think the attacker is doing a very clever and difficult spin. And there's, there's, you know, that's a, a penalty corner ish maybe. Maybe the stick's a little high. I don't know. An advantage in a penalty corner would look like two bites of the cherry unless there was a second fell.

Okay. So that's the difference. And that's how fast your computational speed needs to be in indoor. And now I really don't know what to make of this situation. Honestly. I am like fully, other than the fact that there aren't two fells, but stain makes some really good points about the initial tackle. I think in real time I would've done the same thing and played through that tackle.

To be honest, at this speed, these skills of the players would be like, yeah, go.

Okay, next question. Did I do that well enough? Next question.

I think they're sticking a little nudge. I, that is not a nudge. That's not a nudge. We just need Christian's view from the baseline that he doesn't have either. Yep. Absolutely.

Okay, keep watching these replays.

One of the big sort of alarm bell situations that you can look for. Not always the case, but something that should sort of get the hackles on the back of your neck raised is when a player plays the ball with one hand on their stick. It is very difficult to push to be able to bring your stick into contact with the ball and then to use just one wrist and push that ball ahead.

So this here, that defensive motion by the defender there striking the ball is a hit. It's an intentional foul. Inside the circle should be a penalty. Stroke is a player bone for going through the attacker stick or for the hit he's born for.

And you can see from that motion, if it was in a stick obstruction, it would've been a, this, it would've been, oops. It would've been that motion. I just shook my entire rig. You went from a penalty stroke to a play on to a penalty stroke, to a play on . You, it's not that hard. It's a penalty. Stroke stick.

Stick with your gut. Stick with your gut. It's a hit and the stick is high. There's never gonna be a ball high in a door hawk in that situation. Yeah. Yeah. Just watch the defender's motion and he just, yeah. Okay. That was 20, I believe. Next question, 21.

There, there was a, a backswing, uh, Mr. Denman.

Tough, tough, tough, at least for me. So here are the things that you need to consider in this moment. The goalkeeper is out. They are nowhere near this ball. They're nowhere near the goal.

Okay?

And, oops,

you can go back and forth on this quite a bit. And I think I gave a, um, okay. I don't wanna say it yet until the whole thing comes through, but,

oh, there's gonna be lots of comments on this one. We're saving up for this. And outdoor, you give this as a stroke because the player steps into blocking a probable goal, or the player is simply just blocking a probable goal. However, in the earlier clip where the player stepped, he was still deemed a set, and thus it was drilling.

He puts his foot out clear stroke, no goalkeeper.

I guess the problem I have with this is, this looks like a turn and fire to me in a relatively set defender. Hello. And as hard as it is, Again, it's very little movement from the defendant. You can't expect a defender to be like set and then not attempt to actually continue to play. Like they don't have to be a mobile in order to earn the drilling call.

If the goalkeeper is there, we would call this as a drill every time we better. Just because the ball isn't on the ground doesn't mean it's not a drill, and just because it's a shot on goal doesn't mean you get to release it no matter what.

So is that defender positioning himself independent of everything else simply to make a save? Or is he marking, defending, attempting to tackle ish. That attacker? I think he satisfies those conditions. He is very close to that player. If he was two meters back, three meters back, if he was three meters away, that's a absolutely a penalty stroke.

But what you have is a situation again, where we're saying it's okay for them to shoot turning and firing. At a player who is there defending, defending close in a attackable position. To me this is a turn in fire. Uh, for palmore, it's drilling turn in fire does not need somebody to be set. They only have to be attempting to play the ball or be there.

Exactly. Turn the fire straight up for front drilling are separated in the rules. A hundred percent drilling. Yes, and I think the rules are clear. The briefing is clear and although it's very difficult to call it, you have to, I think we have to.

So either everybody didn't answer this right or nobody changed. Nobody changed placements. I'm still in 10th where I should be

when you, when So Raphael's ass is, is saying he's not really defending, I'm not sure what else he can do in that situation. He is within a meter of his mark as the ball gets passed to him and then his mark turns away from him. He's not gonna bite on that turn. He's not stupid. That would be bad defending.

So he stays in front of him and he's in a tackle loop. He is within playing distance. He's not just within three meters. He's within playing distance in indoor, which is a smaller playing distance. And Raphael got points. I don't know what happened. Um, it could be a card. I didn't even want to throw that in the situation cuz I knew so many people would be looking at a penalty stroke.

And that the biggest, the biggest question we have to decide Don, is whether we're, we're gonna protect here and we're gonna protect the danger player wellness, who really see the attacker take the ball wider. Yep. To get around the player into what was an open goal. All he had to do was to keep taking another couple steps and it's in and nobody gets hammered with the ball.

So

I wonder if you answer the question wrong, but quickly you get points. I, I wonder how you got points unless you've already pc. Okay. I may have gone both ways with this one. Did I? Yes, I gave, I gave points for both cuz I know it's difficult and I know that the line from the Dutch guys on here was that this is a clear penalty stroke.

You've got a very experienced umpire here on the pitch calling us at a corner for some reason. I don't know why it wouldn't be a stroke.

But for me drilling.

Okay, next question. L. We're on question 22. We're rolling along. We might finish by the top of the hour.

You just w wondering why it wasn't in the answers for the card. Yeah. And Palmore would almost always card a spin. Yep. And I don, I just didn't wanna make it more complicated.

And many briefings are saying to card alternative fires. Yep. So the question here is whether this is hitting, let's just do this, do this one quickly and try to catch up. Yeah. You have to see the three little ellipses pop up to know that your vote is registered. If you don't see those ellipses pop up when you click the button, your vote is not being counted.

By the way, I just decided to tell you that after we're almost through the whole quiz. So there you go. You're not hitting, but you definitely looked into that butt bump. . I'll have to look at that again. It's. So we would allow the same motion on the reverse as we would on the forehand. And there is a separation between the stick and ball, but we have to allow the same margin that we would.

So is that more than 50 centimeters slash meter? No, we wouldn't have called that a hit on the four sticks. So we don't here. So the butt bump, the German defender is not an A, they're not ahead of the ball. They're behind this one. So if that closely traveling, defender disadvantaged, the Dutch attacker, then there could be redress for that.

But I don't think she's, she's, she's caught in any way, shape or form. Okay. Next question. Some of these are a little faster near the end. I think Rob just kind of found some extra videos and said, oh, we, we need to make sure we cover this point.

The question that's in front of you here in this very, very quick clip is whether there is a third party obstruction. Nice little yes and no. Shayne's winning the prize for the most wrong answers. I will review the report very thoroughly, Shayne and I will find out exactly what happened. I wonder where they get in the report.

First time I've used this bot. So there you go.

Remember my previous comments about playing distance and how playing distance in indoor is even smaller than playing distance in outdoor. Everything's smaller in indoor. That's what she said. I couldn't help it. So you're trying to determine in this situation whether that is playable distance or not.

And for me, and probably for many, And definitely for, um, the Dutch initial men. Um, this was not an, a third party structure for them. You can confirm it only takes your first answer you tried on the previous one. Okay. So you can't change your mind. That's Yeah. Otherwise you'd be able to, you'd be able to think and Yeah.

That's not good in upside down hockey, ak hockey down into Shayne Mac is having a blinder. Yeah, there you go. Okay. Everybody cool with that? Not being a third party obstruction?

Okay. Um, it's true, but do we call Kiwis down unders as well? I don't know. We'll allow Shayne to tell us what he agrees with. Hi. Happy New Year, David Hunt. You're probably wondering why it is that it's been very quiet in the live chat and that's because we're running this quiz in the Discord and everybody's putting their comments on the discord.

So my discord engagement metrics are gonna be off the chain. My YouTube live chat replay, or my live chat metrics are gonna be dismal. I usually have a few hundred and I'm gonna have like 20 today, so YouTube's gonna ding me. Potential obstructed person is beyond behind the play at that point. There's that too.

Yes. So playable distance is also playable. Actual angles as well. So we have that involved. Okay, that's 23. Next question. The Scotland of Australia. Luke, I think you just really made Shayne mad. Yeah, that's, that's a five minute yellow for you.

We gotta card each of them more often. So the question that's before you in this is, what is the correct method to restart play? Because the goalkeeper was the last player to touch. It saved the shot on the penalty corner and the ball left the pitch over the boards inside the circle. What do we do?

I might, I might skip through this one pretty fast. I think your options here. Yes. penalty corner, a nine meter restart, a penalty stroke, or a free push attack outside the circle says the quiz. It's meant as a compliment.

Okay. And Mike was just going for the general down under. There you go. Steve Denman has no bloody clue. Okay. This is considered, even though the ball originates from inside the circle, the ball has gone over the sideboards last touched by a defender. So the ball simply reverts to the, um, oops, I'm just getting my vote in really quickly.

The ball reverts to the attack as a free push outside the circle as the correct method to restart play. You're not calling a penalty corner on this for the ball leaving the court. It's definitely not a penalty stroke. Okay. And that's all we're doing, luckily. Blast noses. Yes.

It's gonna be interesting in 10 years when half the clips that we watch don't involve Christian blush, , because they're all in here and Shayne. Got it. All right. Okay, next question. We're on 25. Home stretch. Home stretch. Last six. We're lost 20%.

Okay. One of those quicker ones again that we mostly see in this slow motion play. Okay. We're just checking to see whether this is a, anything has gone wrong with any actions here. Has there been a foul by the defender or by the attacker here in any case? Or, um, is this a legal action, the way that the goalkeeper plays this ball?

Do you have any problem with that whatsoever? Do you let me know?

I can actually check on this one. Um,

you know, pretty closely because the initial play was so fast and then it's twen anyway, it doesn't matter. You don't care. You don't care. You're just like, Keely, let's just vote and let's get on with it. Okay? But I'll give you your full 60 seconds Denman. Don't just give the goalkeepers never wrong answer.

You're torn between one and three because it looks at the attacker, clunks into 'em as the ball goes away. Yeah, there's a lot of clunking that goes on generally, as you know, when you're in your equipment. But do they gets disadvantaged? And why was that so loud? Holy smokes. Holy smokes friends. And you're never wrong.

Always a pony stroke regardless. All you guys. So funny. So funny. Okay, so for me it's a play on, uh, so some. Some umpires because the rules do regarding how goalkeepers can play the ball with their stick when it's on the ground and how they can direct it. Those rules have changed in the last, I don't know, three decades.

So I think this clip is just to make sure to illustrate that this is a legal motion. There is no hit involved here. It is a push of the stick by the goalkeeper, roll on the ground, everything is fine. And there we go. No sis cat. You wouldn't blow this as the defender's about to pick up the ball and go with it.

Yep. And there's no need to interrupt. So yeah, I think it's, it's harder to see that if you just look at the slow motion second part, because you just see the goalkeeper looking like they're getting obstructed, but a red defender is able to sweep right in and they're probably gonna run off with it. So everything's up.

Um, l You're almost there. Okay, we're ready for the next question. It's question 26. Here we go.

Oh, I love that guy. I love vest Guy going like this.

Okay, so I think you spelled wrong, wrong . Uh, I didn't catch this at first, mostly because this was the 26th out of 30 questions that I was setting on, so I didn't see. What exactly I, I might have looked for. At first I was like, oh, this looks like a pretty easy call. And then when you see what the, uh, the teams do, hi.

The boss is late. Yes, you are. You also use spelt rather than spelled. You guys are funny. But there's two options. Is it free? Hit free Push for black or free Push for Orang. And it is a 50 50 chance for all of you. was just said, it is this

but your gift game's on point L and that's what really matters. Uh, it's a good thing that this, the Discord is part of the broadcaster roast. Everybody's gonna wonder like, why, why is Keely laughing so hard? And it's like gift game. There you go. On the live stream, you see the videos. Yes. On the livestream.

And so what we have here, oh great. Now I have to look at myself. On the bloody server is the play by the Dutch attacker. This deflection involves too much of a backswing. This is over the 50 centimeters, a hundred centimeters range, one meter range, whatever it is. And the. And it might even be bouncing before it even gets to the German defender.

Hard to say, but that is what is happening there.

Okay, Elle, you ready? I'm going to question number 27. It's the next question.

The boss is going, oh my gosh, I've missed everything.

Okay. , you can, you can do this.

Oh l, I've missed you. I've missed having you around. You have many options with this Everywhere. From a penalty corner against the defenders and a card to just the penalty corner. To playing advantage to a free push for the attack to a free push for the defender. Or maybe I took something out. Ben Burton, you're disconnected.

Put down your whistle. You are the weakest link

Luckily that's the only call. It can't be

Um, so what do I say? Every time you see two players coming together in a pending tackle, watch the defender. And if you watch the defender in this moment, you can see, let me see. I can probably stop it right at the moment of the contact.

Oh, I can only do it if I can hit the mouse at the right time.

The attacker stick shields very skillfully, but he puts a stick directly over the ball. Can I, can I move this there? That's the attacker. Stick over the ball. Stick shield. Ba ba. Okay. Are you ready for the next one? Are you too, too busy playing gifts in here?

Player moves, stick to block? No, it's, it's definitely a stick block cuz it stops, it stops the defender from being able to reach the ball.

Okay. What I'm saying is, is that it's, it's, it doesn't even have to be, it doesn't even have to be that the stick here is away from the ball. The fact that he puts it just right over in the other side, but nice and strong so that the tackle attempt comes in, doesn't even, not even remotely touches the ball.

Cuz he is like, boop. And then off they go, ow, that was dumb. So as he is coming in, boop, and then off he goes. But the attacker stick is still on the ball. So maybe that is the one I don't like hard to say. I'm gonna do a thorough gif report on what's happened in the server while this is going

Oh, Ben joined to say bully. Yes you did Ben, and that's why you're getting disconnected.

28. Come on L. Come on L. Question 28. Here we go. Yeah, it's hard. It's a tough call. Very quick scenario. Don't get so close to the ball in indoor. I love you Christian. What are you doing there? You would, you do not have to be able to breathe on the players who are playing the ball in order to call an accurate game.

just, it's just not necessary.

Okay, so on this free push that's, uh, that's taken by red,

the question is whether there is a three meter infringement, and what should you do about it?

Penalty corners, give an advantage. Go back for the card. Should you play on, should you stop the play by giving a free hit to the attack? Please don't pick that option. Just don't, I'm just gonna tell you right now, don't pick that option, because that's exactly what the team wants. It's exactly what the defending team like.

That's the best outcome ever. You've been too busy trying to decide if it was going, the free fish had been taken. That's okay, Steven. That's all right. You're looking for things and that, and that's what we're, that's what we're happy about. But yes, in this situation, we have a potential infringement perhaps, but I think at real time, real speed you can simply play on for this.

And that's. I voted. If you went for an advantage and then maybe a card coming back, I'd say, how much impact did it have on the play, right? So you don't just card the technical infringements you card in reckless or intentional infringements that have an impact on the play. And this one doesn't even really touch it.

So that's why you start trending to the play on. I think you're back in the top 10 with two questions to go. Come on Denman. Yeah. And there is very, very little room. Well, you know what, Mike, you know what he could do is he could be inside and towards this happy place. That's what I want. Oops.

I don't know what happened there, but we'll find out. Ready for the next question. EL 29. I hate that sticker so much. I appreciate that Neil's made it, but I hate it cuz it's weird and it's big. Okay, another clip from the Women's Final from 2018 into World Cup and a big collision. In case you're not sure this occurs inside the circle.

You timed Ben out on YouTube,

Oh, you're the worst. That's okay. If there's any residuals, I'll go back in the community and make sure that he's okay. and Hamish loves it. So when you're examining this clip, it's difficult because we only see the slow motion of it and we see this angle. But, but consider where that defender came from and what the defender is able to see.

What is the attacker likely going to do in this situation When there is a defender in front of her, in front of the goal, she is going to try to maneuver around that player.

Ben's like, I know this one. It's like pokey. I don't know what that means. You had to answer a bully without even thinking. That was, that was the, the result on the pitch.

But to me, this is an offender who is chasing back and runs into the line of the attacker, a line that they're likely going to take. She blocks the space. She does. So in a dangerous way. It breaks down the play from me. This is a penalty stroke. And I know that Robin Kun said there's no players couldn't see each other, and it was just an accidental c.

From the clip, it looks like they can't see each other, but where would that defender have gone from? Like where would she have come from? She sees what's happening and she's like, yeah, I'm gonna run back, right back into this path. If she had tripped her heels, what would we have said? Oh, that's a stroke.

If she had run into the back of her and pushed her, what will you have said? Stroke.

You did it For those who love, who live the bully. Not for the quiz. I dunno what's happening there. Hi Andy. Good to see you. I know it's quiet in the live chat, but that's cuz we're all hanging out in the Discord server and answering the quiz questions in there and we're almost done. You, your timing is perfect because we are about to move to our final question of the quiz question 30.

And it's okay, like in the moment those are difficult collisions are very difficult to call. Okay. Um, you had to give one just before uh Christmas cuz the umpire stopped time during open play for a card that occurred earlier. It's a interesting reason. This is it. Stephen Denon is moving up. What is the correct or the best decision to make in this particular situation?

I think everybody can agree that there is a foul by the defender here. Okay. He's been beaten. He's reaching around. He's in a, um, he's, I don't wanna give it away, . Okay. So he misses the tackle and the attacker is driven around to the outside and the umpire. If you, if you watch the replay, you could see the whistle kind of comes up to the mouth.

And that doesn't go indoor moves so fast that if you don't call that foul in the moment, it's over. You are not coming back to it. Okay? But you could consider that that was either played on or that advantages was played. Unfortunately, those are both incorrect answers because this is a penalty corner right here that is a breakdown of play, a reckless attempted tackle that changes the options.

That and disadvantages, that attacker pushes him to the outside. There's nothing else he can do from out there. So that, for me is a quick whistle for the penalty corner. That is the far better option than having to dribble down to the right sideboards where you're covered. , Denman,

oh, there you go. You went from eighth to 11th on the last one. Denman. That is not how you start or you finish. Boo says, what do you mean, boo? Did you not like you finished fifth Kat? You did very, very well. I'm gonna vote that I enjoyed the quiz. There was a couple rough parts, 19 people played. That's fantastic you guys.

I really appreciate everybody participating and humoring me. I know that it was a bit of a rough start, but it, it went kind of well. I'll, I'll keep it on this screen for a couple more seconds just in case there's anything else funnier.

Oh, I don't know what happened. Yay. Shayne's not on the bottom. It's only cuz the boss just got there. So, and yes, and we had late joiners and that's the way it works. And you dropped out of the top 10. And the last few questions says, Rachel, third place you missed a load of votes for being woefully distracted.

Look, I'm not here to fix things up for you. You were first in, yeah, you were first and second the whole time. I don't know what happened.

Yes. In my own quiz. Okay. Thank you all for an enjoyable day. You can see my partner is walking in the door right now because I am well over time. And he is like, can't I come in yet? And I'm like, Nope, you can't. Oh. Very terrible gifts and screenshots are going up in the server. If you like to be entertained by these things, please proceed to fhumpires.com/ds and make fun of me and all that sort of thing.

It was great to have you back. I missed having my regular live stream, ev I only took the week off, but uh, it was still something I thought. Something's weird here, something's wrong. Next week we're going back to outdoor activities even though we still have the indoor world Cup coming up, but we are going to get ready for the Men's World Cup happening in BWA and Roque, if I say that correctly.

So two locations in India. It should be an interesting escapade and I'm gonna look into whether we can actually do hold some watch parties during that time. But, uh, those won't get scheduled until we get into the tournament and I'm sure that the technology is gonna hold up for us. So thank you very, very much for everything.

I enjoyed having you here. I hope you learned a few things. We can still argue about the clips later if you want. But in the meantime, see you in the server and have a fantastic hockey week. Bye everybody.

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