Live Q&A #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 110

📅 Feb 15 19.00 GMT
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The whole of English Hockey Twitter is abuzz with that Ben Rhydding goal vs. Brooklands, we take a look at a goal from the Indoor Hockey World Cup, and wrap up the themes we saw during both the Men's Hockey World Cup #HWC2023 and the #IHWC2023.

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⏱ Chapter Markers:
0:00 Chair Dancing
2:27 Topics!
07:33 1. Hitting a Lobbed Pass
01:04:01 2. Deliberately Playing Ball With The Body
01:12:07 3. World Cups Wraps Ups

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good evening. Happy What Up Wednesday to you all. Keely, Dunn, FHumpires. It is so good to see you and all of you and the other yous and every you, you wanna be, it's been just like the song said, things have been crazy. I just wanna be okay and we're gonna do prob. Can I say it? Can I try to say that this is gonna be a lighter show and a faster show?

I just, I don't know. It's, there's just been a lot of lotness and I'm gonna talk about that in the last segment, in the burnout section and really open it up to a discussion, cuz I, I need some advice. So I'm gonna ask you all what, what do I do? But before we get to that part, we're gonna talk about these following things.

This lobbed ball situation that happened on the weekend, obstruction on a goal. We're gonna wrap up the World Cups and then we're gonna talk about burnout. So I hope that all came through on your end. Okay. My screens were going a little crazy, so I don't know what happened. I can watch the replay over there though.

And, yep. 3:47. Yeah, it's hard to tell. It's still catching up over there on the YouTube land. But anyway, I'm, I'm glad that you're here with me today.

And I think before I get started, the only thing that I wanted to talk about is I did wanna give a really nice shout out to this following individual, uh, Mr.

Maxwell Davidson. Here. Here, no, god damn it, right here. Who Umpired his first junior international under 18 England and Ireland on the weekend, and by all accounts, says Twitter with his eight Twitter posts on his account profile so far. He says he had a blast, so I'm really proud of him. He's a member of the third team here and the winner of the KNHB indoor quiz a few months ago.

Much to Cat's utter dismay. She was so dismayed cuz she was in the lead and then this Maxwell character just comes bombing in there and he's a b, d. Got it. And yeah, anyway, he got, he answered more questions right. Than anybody else, allegedly. Who knows? I'm trusting that, uh, let's see who's here, because I know I'm supposed to get into content faster, but I need to say hi.

Hi Andrew. I'm glad you're here. Oh, and he's here. Look at that. Isn't that cool that I was able to say hi to him and he is actually here. Mm-hmm. . Congratulations. Ian's here. He's, uh, gonna catch up to the end of the show. Good. I'm glad you kept me posted. I will ask for your whereabouts in approximately 45 minutes.

The cabernet sauvignon is on deck for Rachel as always. And Lucas here. Hi, Stijn. Good to see you. The tricky tricks in the house. Big Mark. 77. I think you're new. Wait, did that work? No, that didn't work. Hang on, hang on. I can do this. What, what's happening? Why is my stream deck sounds not working? No. So right now, big Mark, what would happen is there'd be like a

sounding thing, celebrating your arrival. And I'm glad you're here. This, if this is not your first live stream, or perhaps you just, you've been around but you haven't commented. I'm glad you said hi. Thank you. Uh, Thomas is here. There you go. You got, so what, what's been keeping you like, why haven't you been here?

It's, this isn't judgment, this is just healthy curiosity. Does that look like when I, when I narrow my eye like that, does that look like healthy curiosity? Probably not. Hi Gary. It's been a while. I'm glad you're here. And Mike, anyone tracking if there's a spike in live viewers in that likely area? Yeah, we're gonna do it first.

So, and don't worry, I check the YouTube analytics later. I see the big drop off when the, um, the music's playing and then people start coming back and then it spikes on every topic. So yes, I'm sure there'll be many people coming around to discuss that goal. So, I mean, what the, Hey, like, let's just, let's just get into it.

Whoops. That's the wrong button. That's not gonna work out very well for me. And let's talk about. The hitting of a lobbed pass leading to a spectacular goal. And this is what happened. This, this is what ensued. It's gonna,

I hope everybody appreciates, if you haven't checked out my Instagram profile and the story that I put up to, to, you know, notify everybody of this show. I hope everybody really digs. The Beastie Boy Sure shot music like it's one of my favorite songs and, and, and that I ti I time the lyrics just to go right as the ball goes by the goalkeeper.

Not that I care, I'm an umpire. I don't care who wins or loses. I just like good hockey and, but it's pretty cool the way I did the music anyway. Whoa. This, this slow mo was super slow. I can tell stories over top of it. It. Okay. Anyway, here we are. So this was apparently beding against Brooklyn's on the weekend, and yes, Twitter has been a light, it has been a fire.

I can't wait to see, um, what everybody's saying. Oh, and by the way, hi Amanda. I, I thought I'd got through all the hellos and I didn't, but Jeanette's here as well. Pesto pasta. Mm-hmm. sounds good. Mark is here. I'm not gonna out you mark, you, you ta you know, this is, this is yours. Whatever you wanna say or not say.

It's up to you. And yes, everybody's drooling over Jeanette's dinner and I'm really mad. Um, a hok. There you go. You're not late. Have you not noticed that? It takes me a little while to get going. William, good to have you as well, and you're very welcome. There you go. Scott's here as usual. So glad. And Mr.

Denman, aj, always a delight. I'm glad you're here. And Hendrix, so we officially have two Americans on the broadcast. Thank you for your service America. I always appreciate you coming by. And there you go. Oh, work is usually it. Okay. Ben Redding will likely be here. There you go. And Gary, Gary, brand new to the Discord server.

I'm so glad you're, you're around as well. And you were, um, yes, I know. Okay, so you outed yourself. There you go. There you go. And how did you not realize I had Insta? Not sure. The thing I don't really have is TikTok because I've, I've put up one TikTok video.

There you go. Luke, mark. Sh sh We vote. Oh, which reminds me, okay, I don't have cat tonight. So what I need to do is I need to, mm mm mm I can't see. I can't see plus sign. Engage with my audience by starting a poll. I'd like to do that. What's your call? She says, Hey, why did that pop up? What's your call? Um, free hit defense for hit, uh, intentionally raised.

Hit

free. Hit defense for danger. Play on

good goal.

um, YouTube, you are receiving more than enough video. Look at all this great video you're getting. Come on now. There you go. Poll is up. I would like you all to vote. Mark. You can't vote. You already did. You voted with your whistle at the end of this, so there you go. Um, HT to mark for how this is played. Is that a hat's off?

Is that a, I don't know what an HT means. Who knows? There you go. What's Mike Mack to do? Uh, I I don't know where McDowell is. I don't know where No, I'm just kidding. He's, he's busy. You're gonna send me a guy to Yorkshire place names in wears baths when we need him. Okay. I don't know what you're talking about.

You're talking about some Yorkshire things, which is pretty close to my peeps. So, , like if you're gonna get all regional about stuff. There you go. Okay. Let's, let's get into talking about this now that you've seen the replay several times. Um, actually I could have put in a lot of other conditions as well talking about the aerial because there were questions some people raised.

First of all, they had concerns about whether there was an initial receiver in this case or if the ball had been thrown in such a manner that it was landing between two players and therefore should have been a free hit defense at that point. I'm just gonna strike that one off the table right now because what's, what I love about having this vertical view up the pitch is that we can see the takeoff, the landing, the angles of the players, and.

for me and the way that aerials should be played at this level of skill and level of understanding. The attacker does a great job of getting in front of his attacker and de essentially declares himself, not by saying mine, but by positionally getting himself into a spot that he can declare himself the initial receiver because of the trajectory of the ball.

Now, if that aerial had been higher and the potential receiving area had been more in between the two of them, if the ball had been higher at the point of the reception, we have a different story. And this is why I talk on a regular basis about how drawing a five meter disc on the ground around an initial receiver is a really bold, um, do I have the right.

Where's my swear button? I deleted my swear button, huh? It's a really poor way to try to make decisions because it doesn't reflect the reality. We're not dealing with a two-dimensional, uh, issue here. This is three-dimensional and the trajectory of the ball and the way that it moves through space towards the players, whether it is high, it's low, if it's fast, if it's slow, if you say yes, if you say no, that there is an initial receiver.

In that case, the ball actually bounces before the attacker gets it, which is the reason why probably they're able to, to control the ball in such a manner is they're able to play it in this way. So for me, it's clear that there is an an, an initial receiver, and that initial receiver is the attacker. From there, you then allow, in that moment.

And this is the hard part about what's going on these days, is that because there can be interceptions, there can be advantage, there can be all kinds of things. We don't wanna blow our whistle nor in, in many cases, too soon, because we can play on, we can play advantage. And the one thing that we can't see from this angle is how far apart the two players are.

Okay? We, we can't see whether there is five meters of space between them, three meters, two meters. And for me, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter in this case because the player is able to control the ball and do what he wishes with it in this moment. Okay? Um, so we're not talk the, the aerial is off the table.

The next question that we wanna deal with here is whether this ball was played dangerously. . Now, like I said, one of the weaknesses of this position is that we can't really see where everything is. We see a flinch by the defender. Is that legitimate evasive action or not? And in sole motion, it looks much more significant or impactful, I think, than it is when you watch it in real time.

You know, there is a movement, there is a motion, but to me, I just don't see this as truly being evasive. Action on this p on, on this part. Sorry, I've got the hiccups all of a sudden. Talk amongst yourselves.

Okay. I think I'm.

I think I might be under some stress or something anyway. Okay, we're good.

But if you decided that you were gonna vote and that's the vote that you put in, so be it. You stand by your call. The important thing is you better make that decision before the ball gets even close to that second attacker because you don't want anybody to know what you just stopped from happening.

You want that sliding door to stay shut, that butterfly effect, you don't want those wings to keep on flapping. Okay? The timing of your whistle there better be spot on, or you're gonna have fury. You don't, you're not thinking about this waiting until the attacker puts it in the net and then going, I think there might have been danger back there.

Boom. No. Okay. No. Use your hockey gut in that situation. And from what I understand from Mark who is in the conversation tonight, he used his hockey gut and made his conclusion that it was not in fact dangerous and it was not a legitimate evasive action. So the last issue that we need to talk about is the manner in which the ball was played and whether this should be considered an intentionally raised hit.

Now, for those of you who have been around for more than a hot minute, you will have heard me, oh, that's not actually the the scene that I wanted. I wanted this scene. You would've seen me talk about this issue in January of last year, and you would've also heard me talk about this issue in depth during the Talking Tokyo series during.

the Tokyo Olympics, but I spent nearly an hour on this topic in January. I have put the link in the description below, don't go there. Now, you stay in this live stream and you keep talking to me. Don't go away. But you can watch that later and you can tell me whether you think I was more intelligent a year ago than I am now.

I watched it back and I have to say I did a really good job last January. Like I'm not mad. I am actually quite concerned I am not gonna be able to meet the high standard that I set in that show. It was really good. I was like, wow, did I come up with all that stuff? Anyway? Anyway, but the truth of the matter is, is that just because that we've spoke about this once or twice before in excruciating detail, doesn't mean that I shouldn't, you know, that we don't have to go back and revisit the discussion, talk about the principles, decide whether anything's changed in our game because.

Our game does change quite a bit. Whether any new guidance has come out from the F I h, has anything changed in the rules, has have the interpretations and the manner in which we're feeding back on these evolving issues in the game. Has that changed since the last time we talked about it? Plus maybe you didn't know I existed a year ago.

I don't know what rock you've been living under, but okay, here we are. Here we are now, everything's fixed. I'm happy. So we're gonna talk about all this again. This is the starting point, okay? Rule 9 9 99. As I said before the other time, and now you have to do it again cuz it's Brooklyn 99. So the 99 rule gives us this hot little piece of information here about.

Intentionality. Okay. And it's that the players must not intentionally raise the ball from a hit except for a shot at goal. Okay? One of the urban myths that we have to deal with a lot that's really Scrabble looking. My iPad's not making very good pen marks here. One of the urban myths we often have to deal with is that as long as it's not dangerous, players can raise the ball from hits.

That that's the only standard that we apply. But no, we look at intentionality as well, which really kind of sucks cuz again, it's hard enough dealing with that on breakdown fouls and such. And we have many conversations about what intentionality from fouls really means, and it's about intending the action, not the result.

So do you intend to throw your stick in? Do you intend to leave your feet and take that slide reckless as it to whether that result will be that you foul the player halfway up their stick because you're coming in from behind and you don't have a hope in hell of reaching the ball or that your momentum is gonna carry into the ball carries body and bring them to ground and cause danger and break down the play.

So is the action intended not the result? And that's a tough one to sort of get over. So when we look at 9, 9 99 as a rule, the language seems very. And once we get over this whole thing about unintentionally, unless it's dangerous, which is in here, unless it's dangerous, and we're not talking about little raises over sticks or bodies on ground, even within the circle, blah, blah, blah.

It's fine. And then this whole section that's all about drag flex we're, or not drag flex, but but aerial and things like that. And we're talking about shots and aerial balls and things like that. So good news, we don't have to look at that section at all.

So when you look at nine, nine on its own, we say, well, if it's a hit and the action is within the player's total control, and they are commit, they are executing a hitting action and the ball then raises well that fulfills. The standard.

Okay. But there's a lot of problems with this , a lot of the problems being that when we watch this play, first of all, as hockey people, we go, that's dope. If you are not clapping your hands and cheering and saying, I love this game. After you see something like that, you're dead inside and we need to get, we need to go into therapy together.

Okay? This is what we want to see evolving from the game. The problem is, the rules have not kept up to the way that the game has evolved. And this is what I'm talking about. So if we look at the definitions of the various strokes in the rule books, rule books, rule book, the flick, pushing the ball, so it is raised off the ground.

A push moving the ball along the ground using a pushing movement of the stick. After the stick has been placed in contact or close to the ball. When a push is made, both the ball and the head of the stick are in contact with the ground. Okay. There's a lot of ground involved there, like we've we're talking about the ground very, very much.

The scoop, raising the ball off the ground by placing the head of the stick under the ball by raising the ball off the ground and then the hit is simply striking or slapping the ball using a swinging movement of the stick towards the ball.

We've lost the groundness. There is no ground in the hit definition, and I don't think that that is an intentional emission that is supposed to then tell us that any hitting motion in any sort of other area. The pitch. Is by definition a hit. Okay. I think that the, the, the notion wasn't even contemplated back when these first, these definitions were first placed.

The players could be taking half volleys, mid-air, redirections of the ball and doing so safely and with such skill. Because back when I was a kid, we didn't play like this. It just wasn't a big component in the game. Aerials weren't part of a game. So all of the components that are here are now skills that have become pretty commonplace, especially at higher levels.

But we can see juniors doing this too. Sometimes novices can do it.

And we get ourselves into quite a, a pickle in applying the nine nine rule very carefully in this. Now, I talked about this for a full hour a year ago, and I weighed the arguments and basically at the end said, I don't know.

And that's why I'm listening to you all again today. So I'm gonna go to your comments before I say anything declarative. But I do feel now time has passed. I've listened to my own arguments, I've listened to everybody else's arguments. I've even occasionally looked at Twitter, dangerous stuff and made conclusions So, Hat tip.

Thank you. I am now officially looking at the comments. I, I know I said something funny. You're right. I did. I don't remember what it was though. And this is what's so great about skill levels in our wonderful game. Agree. And it looks like 15 plays cricket too. Uh, yeah. Maybe I'm not a, I'm not very, uh, aware of said sport ball, so I dunno.

Rachel, from a purely technical perspective, issues regarding aerial danger, intentionally, it is an, uh, intentional raised hit, hence a vote. All of the thoughts suggest everyone was happy and then play on Lee without seeing how far apart. You can't judge if it's legitimate evasive action. That's fair. And you can, and I appreciate that kind of statement because I think it's important for us when we look at.

Uh, when we look at clips where we have a singular angle that is not the singular angle that an umpire has or the two singular, um, angles that the two umpires have. Excuse me on the pitch, that we, we are aware of the impact on angles in terms of calculating distances and all those things that go into advantage decisions, danger decisions, all that stuff.

So I really like that Lee and ain't mad whatsoever. The legitimate evasive action has to be legitimate, says Mike Mccr, absence of it, the players most likely to be hit by the ball. Clearly not the case here. Oh, I see. Okay. So this is the example of that. If the, if the player doesn't take the action, they would get hit by the ball.

Gotcha. It's clearly not the case here as the ball sails over the top. Ergo.

Allow you to say ergo once, I hope never to hear that word again. We're trying to be accessible and not stuffy in this world. And that was your take, says Nick. What? Great umpiring by whoever the umpire was. Okay. Nick and Mark, get a room. Yes. The urine, uh, uh, uric coon goal. Yeah. How did you get Yo Joe hit out of uric?

Fascinating. 9 9 9 9. Never ask why it's saying no so much in German. Yeah, I know. We have a, the goalkeeper on my team is German and so I'm, she's, and she's quite young, so I'm trying to teach her how to speak more to us. And dictate where we go, especially in the indoor court, it's really important, right?

You wanna, you want a goalkeeper is like, mark that player, take the person on the left, blah, blah, blah. I got ball, whatever they're saying. And so I was trying to inspire her and I said, you gotta just bark it out, say nine. And she said, but why would I tell you guys no? And I said, okay, so what's the word for go?

And I think it's like loose or something. And I was like, that doesn't work. That's not to, I said, no, that's not gonna work. There you go. Nor I'd shot him down all on one by one. Wow, you guys really quilled out on this one. Knee is on the line asking for 99 red balloons, my 99 problems. I like how this is all.

Thematically tied into each other. Um, elevated push. Yeah, so here it is, like, let me get back on track. Apologies. It's just where my brain's at today. The problem with the other defined strokes is that it requires the ground to be involved. Gravity holds the ball in a particular place such that the force can be exerted against it in a different fashion, which then propels it off in a direction.

When you don't have the ground involved, you don't have a choice but to hit almost, I did mention. In January, 2022 that I had, I, I recollected, but yet could not find an instance where a Belgian, like one of the red lions, he received a ball and on an aerial and he held it on a stick and then he flicked it.

If that is the requirement for a ball that is going to be directed from out of the air in order to go in another direction, if we're gonna require them to catch it on their stick before they can fling it off, okay, that is a policy decision that the rules committee is going to have to make at some point.

And we need a clear definition of what that motion is or, and actually not an or what the motion is of. Striking the ball out of the air and changing its pathway instead of just deflecting it. So when I start talking this way, I start thinking, well, yeah, the hit, the hit definition really takes care of that nicely.

But there's something different about why we don't want intentionally raised hits. And the policy reason against that is that when the ball starts on the ground and then it goes up in the air at high rates of speed, it's a lot more likely to clock people . It is just going to be more likely to be a dangerous stroke, a dangerous manner in which to play the ball.

These half vols or these vols, I'd like to, I'd like to call them vols. Can, can we call them vols? Does anybody else have a different term? This manner of changing the direction of the ball by applying forests in a. In another direction, in a manner which must still be safe. It sh it shouldn't be called a hit because the considerations that go into outlaw outlawing that as an intentional stroke are different when the ball is in the air.

And it's not just that it can be safe, but it's more likely to be safe because of where the ball starts and stops. So that hard line in the sand that the F I H decided to draw however many decades ago was this isn't happening safely. We want it to stop. Sometimes it can accidentally be safe, but it's just not safe enough, often enough, just like they did with the forehand Edge hit, same thing.

They're like, Nope, this, this doesn't work out. Too high of a probability of danger. Some people have argued the same consideration, the same criterion applies with regards to reverse tomahawks. I think they're wrong, but the argument's been made, so it's, it's good to remember. So elevated push. Yeah. Let's go with Bali or something else.

Let's see. I remember Ariel's coming in too. Luke, how old are you? You're not that old. Is every scoop also flip, but not every, every flick a scoop or they can be one or the other.

Fascinating. I'm looking down and thinking and not able to press the button because I just, okay, so let's go to this scene is every. Is every flick a scoop?

I mean, kind of the flick is, is different. And I think just from like my understanding of how, like, how would I apply these, these words, A scoop is when the ball's in front of you and there's no, there is no push involved. Like a flick is a raised push,

and a drag flick is a raised pull of the ball. And a scoop is, uh, is is that shoveling motion where the ball isn't even side onto the body and there is no extended con, well, there is an extended contact. The good news is, Tricks is that there's nothing in the rule book that this turns on, unlike the definition of a hit where everything turns on these definitions.

So that's fascinating. number 16 is like, meh. Every Tuesday night in training twice on Sundays. Exactly. Let's go back to this Brooklyn 99 drinking rule drink every time Achilles says nine. Nine, okay, , we're all gonna die. Stain only raised hits are judged on intention, otherwise raised balls on danger. Um, you see no danger raised right?

So, but the question is staying is whether this qualifies as a raised hit. Okay. And if we go, if we go to

9, 9, 9, 9, that's two drinks. Um, oops. If we go to the definition of a hit, a striking or slapping the ball using a swinging movement of the stick towards the ball, basically the only thing that actually hinges on this is that there's a swing. So there is a separation. A swing means to me that there is a pendulum motion of the stick starting one, weight swinging backwards.

Pivoting on that fulcrum, if I use the wrong words, don't be, don't be mean. Okay. And then, Moving at pace back towards the ball and the ball springs off that and goes away. I was smarter a year ago. Okay. It's just, it's very clear to me. I hadn't had Covid twice at that point. So this, this stroke qualifies.

It does.

Right. Gary, excellent point. And thank you. We can start going through all the different ways in which we have accepted and allowed the ball to be played in the air. So as Gary illustrates, A player who is 3D dribbling and tapping the ball up in the air. I have heard some umpires say, this should not be allowed because those are intentionally raised hits.

And to them I say, no, that's clearly stupid. That is not what this intends. So where can we draw a bright line? If we have to draw a bright line, can we

then not,

can we say that if the ball was off the ground, we can judge this explicitly on danger only and use a definition that applies to this kind of motion. Also, the 3D dribbling down the, the, the, the pitch. Can we allow that to be. Something else that we don't judge on this. Okay. I'll blame all to correct Steven.

There you go. You're not sure. With a evasive action being legitimate, meaning you have to be hit by the ball to you, it's down to isn't an action that you would expect to be taken to avoid danger. Okay. Yeah, I see, I see both points. I'm not saying, yeah, I don't think that it's, um, you, you're necessarily that that is the action, that is what saves your life, but an action to

an action that, that, that could have, it's like the shot of goal doesn't actually actually have to be on goal. It just has to be directed towards the goal with the intention of shooting, of scoring, sorry, by the attacker, so. Loss. Yes. Thank you. Loss. Lee and Steven know German better than me and I, it's not a, it's not a boom, it's not a big word.

Will. Okay. Thank you. And also, now it works. That's for, that's for the other person as well, whose name I've now forgotten who's new. Yes I am. Squirrel the heck out today. Don't you worry. You remember something like that? The ball was held in suspense rather than redirected. Yes. It was just, it was craziness and I'm pretty sure it's not gonna happen again.

Um, , do you only know phrases from video games? Totally fair, right? It's all films. Um, you're 33. I literally thought you were in your like early twenties. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh, you've got great skin. Okay. If a flick is raised, if a flick is a raised push, then Mike Macey is campaigning for a definition of a flick instead of an elevated push.

If a flick is a raised push, I'm not sure I understand. You're wondering how it would be perceived Tristan, if a deflection here rather than a volley hit? If it was a deflection here, and, and that's the thing, I'm pretty sure that if this had only been a deflection and not extra force had been a parted to the ball, that actually would've put that defender at danger.

And this was one of the arguments that I used. I mean, let's, let's go through a few more of the examples, because I did use this argument in a couple of the other cases about playing, hitting the ball outta the air and needing to do so in order to keep it safe rather than, Actually putting the opposition in danger.

That's not this case, by the way. I'm just gonna chill The music. Um, this one has come up over and over again, and this I would consider to be at the far extreme of what could be considered a hit. And I don't know, when I, when I look at the, the examples that I have for you, one of the things that I see that sort of my hockey gut goes, okay, I wouldn't call this, but I don't like it.

It's the hands together, uh, on the top of the stick that looks to me like, holy crap. But at the time, this was a play on, and I think it first happened, like this was pre covid, so we're talking four or five years ago. I know a bunch of us were on Facebook saying, this is fine. Crispy Baz, myself, Harrison, whole bunch of paper like, yeah, whatever.

It's great. It's a great skill. Let's keep it going. And then a short time later this happened, steps around, it goes to Jack and that's running and that's some clearance hockey leads running by the captain. Number 11. And if you listen to Charlie and Simon back upstairs

that you cannot hopefully lift the ball wall other than at gold, the letter of law. I will check the whole situation. Yeah, he thanks if you weren't able to hear it. Simon does say that by the letter of the law, which is not, we don't have us by the strict ruling that a ball can't intentionally be raised off a hit.

And this is pretty similar to the motion. The hands come together at the top of the stick and it gets belted over, and I only know there was a social media conversation about it in the last two days from the English domestic league. Dangerous to anybody. And that's right when, when Simon just says, if you can't hear him again, he, he recollects this discussion.

So this happened also, I think this was, this could have been 2018 or 2019. Now, actually,

as it turns out, spoiler alert, Yaku does not make a decision about this part, about the swing and the hit and whether that was intentionally raised. He talks about, he actually makes this decision that it's, uh, a dangerous ball because it hits the defender on the knee. On the drag flick and therefore is a free hit out.

So he avoided the worst decision that he had to make. Okay. This happened at the Olympics.

I guess I could have kept the sound running, but there you go. Okay. So rebound off an ash and then whoever that is does a little two, two-hander and bats that outta the air and that this is in the gold medal final, like this is it. Gold medal games tend to be finals fine. This was in the gold medal game and this was a play on situation.

Marson said, yep, off we go. Little bit of very illegitimate evasive action by that Australian player. He was an absolutely no problems whatsoever, so, When, when I looked at, when we looked at all these examples, in particular, me and me just trying to parse through all these technicalities of the de definitions and things like that, thought to myself, I mean, one of the things that really stuck out is when the players put their hands together at the top of the stick.

That is like, there's a big swing involved and there's the potential there. Maybe that, that could be where the definition of this volley, you know, is changed. So if you're a tennis player, you know, volleys are a, a blocking motion. But there is a, there is a backswing involved and there is force and everything changes.

It's not just a deflection, it's not that the racket just stays still and the ball just bounces off another direction. There is definitely force imparted to change the trajectory. In a significant manner, it then turns into a swinging volley if it's, you know, taken at the net on their eyes and, you know, smacked out.

So there's, there, there is a notion that there is something in between a swing and a deflection, at least in tennis.

Oh, second glass. It is then it says Rachel, sorry. Uh, Luke, the flick has, has the ball played from the ground when the ball's lifted? The scoop has the sticks directly underneath the ball to help propel it up. Hence the shovel motion. Yeah, but there's not any, that's not a, those are just two different ways to describe what really can be a fairly similar motion.

So, I see what you mean. Uh, Steven, the lack of swing before contact is a, is not a hit. So a deflection. What if the player swings before? In this example? I mean, I think there's, there's enough of a, of a swing that changes. Like that is not a deflection. He has to move his stick. And if we watch it in very, very slow motion, very slow motion.

This is very slow.

Okay. Stick at waist height. Stick at waist height. Here it comes.

It's definitely not a flick. It is a little bit of a swing. And I guess the point being is that there could have been more swing. But we would, we would not be able to define this as a push or a flicker. A scoop.

And the ball is definitely raised. So does that mean by default it's a hit? I think, no.

It's similar to a push in terms of backswing, but there isn't the extended contact with the ground, which is a very clear requirement of a push where the stick and the ball are in contact with the ground. Right. So that makes it very difficult. And the hands, so Gary's, Gary's coming back to the hands being apart as well.

He's not swinging at the ball with a stick. Backswing is not a required part of a hit, in your opinion? Well, um, okay. But. It actually is a swinging movement of the stick towards the ball. So, yes. And if somehow you think you can swing towards the ball without having a backswing first, I, I don't know what that that world is.

So it's really important that we look at these things. If we're gonna have a, a strong discussion about this, we have to be very careful and make sure that we are on point with the definitions that we're using here. Rado, um, number three, white twitch is after the deflect, but you think it's going meters away from 'em.

So, so you're okay with Right. And so we're, we're past the danger argument. We're past that catch up. We're talking about whether this is an intentionally raised hit and whether we care. Do we care if this is an intentionally raised hit? Should we care? And how can we, you know, now, now sort that out.

Yes. Deflection highly likely lead to danger. I'm not sure what that was on, but if they decided to find deflection in the glossary, maybe the f IH would allow for the imparting of additional energy to the ball with the intent to enj, avoid endangering the opposition. Uh, it can get a little, it can get a little stretchy.

I don't know. Because when we, and that's why I don't want it to be, I didn't, I, I was worried about entering into the conversation with this because a player can hit the ball with a slap hit with their hands apart. It's a lot easier to do a pendulum motion with a swing with your hands together. But, If you take your entire, both hands away and swing them both at the same time and execute a slap hit, that is still definitely a hit.

So it's, it's whether the, the, the fulcrum point is prior to the contact of the ball or at the contact of the ball. Have I stumbled upon something here? Wait a minute. Tell me if I'm smart. Talk to me about this. Is it about the, that, that fulcrum point, because the whole idea of a push is that the, the, the ball becomes the point at which the stick moves around it and then it's, it's thrown away and by, and, and the push part of it comes because the stick is in contact with the ball and then it's thrown away.

A flick, it's in contact with the ball and then it's raised with a scoop. It's in contact with the ball and then it's also thrown away. If you define it as hands together, how do you decide how together they need to be? Exactly. So that's what kind of bright line can we define there? I don't know. Can Steven, can you also just make a goalkeeper point, uh, goalkeeper, coach point, why the heck is the goalkeeper not closing down?

Yes, we're on topic number one. I made this a very light show for a reason.

Hi Larry.

You're new. It's good to have you. Uh, I think you're new. I decided to blow the air horn. Um, you might be late to the conversation, but what about the players, two players being the same position? The aerial ball was started, yes, they were in the same position, but that wasn't the landing area, or I hate that term.

That wasn't where the ball was received. The ball was received, probably hard to say, I'm guessing 10 meters away from the position that they were in. The attacker cut around and cut in front, and because the ball landed in front of the attacker, the landing area is not five meters on the ground, but a five meter sort of slanted disc in the air that.

Landing area, the receiving area, and the five meters that he should be entitled to is this, this disc in the air that I lack the verbal acuity to be able to describe and explain properly. But it's not dangerous to the defend the defender, in this case, the player who's in behind because of the trajectory of the ball it's coming towards.

There's like this cutoff point. So for me it's a clear initial receiver, like I said at the beginning of the show. But thanks for coming in, Larry. And you know, that was probably the nicest I've been to somebody who's asked me to restate an argument I've already dealt with. So blinded by skill as he swinging the stick upwards or pushing it upwards.

But a but a push has to involve by the definition of the rule, contact with the ground, the stick and the ball have to be on the ground for it to be a push. And there has to be extended contact. Of the ball on the stick. Otherwise it's not a push. If it springs off, it's either gotta be a deflection or a hit.

It just has to be. So that's why we can't use that one. Hi Purdy. I'm blowing the horn cuz I like you from a moving forward with the game perspective, Rachel. This should only require judging on danger. Okay, so let's open up this can of worms. So let's say we allow intentionally raised hits anywhere on the pitch, not just shots on goal other than penalty corner situations.

First hit blah, blah, blah. Okay? Like let's, we're not talking about that. So everywhere else on the pitch, do we get into the situation where players are gonna stop aerial the ball down the field and instead they're gonna start chipping it down the field

And do we get back to the situation that. The f i h and the general global community, I assume that they didn't do this just by their own initiative, decided that they wanted to buy policy choice, remove as a skill that was used in the game because it likely led to too much danger. Okay. So can we, can we just take that out of the game?

I don't think we can.

Okay. Alastair, I do my best to try to string, um,

define it using mechanics force applied in a very short shine, changing the direction of the velocity of the ball. Okay. But, but that means what you're saying is, is that we need to change the definition of a hit. Okay. And, and that's fine. I would like to change a few things about many things. We haven't defined the terms and the definition of the hit.

It's defined. It's just defined in a way that you don't think is applicable, and that's fine, but clear on that too. Uh, Nick, the Oxford English Dictionary defines a hit as to bring your hand or an object you're holding against somebody something quickly. And with force. Yes. Denman. Let's make it a goalkeeper show.

Let's talk about the wild new Y card Rule keepers. There's no wild new Yellow Card Rule for Keepers party. Just because the Northwest Officiating Committee puts out a brief that literally says, everything I've been saying for the last five years about goalkeeper slides doesn't mean anything's changed.

Nothing has changed. Don't panic.

Sorry, Jeanette, we're still on this one because I'm moving solely today. We do not apply the rules without judgment. Mike Mack Cartney, uh, refer to 9.3 in the language around players not touching other players. Clearly, we treat this rule practically and apply with pragmatism. Same logic here. I mean, that's what's been done.

You're absolutely right. That is, and I have no problem with that. It's just my job is to try to sort through arguments and give people sound principle based reasons why a particular umpire's decision in a particular case is either the better decision or maybe not the better decision. I believe this is the better decision, the best decision in this case, but how do I explain that?

How do we have a principle distilled out of this that we can consistently. situation after situation, or at least on a, like, you know, nine times outta 10 or 9.5 times outta 10. If the attacker's action is not covered by the definitions, we can only judge by what's explicitly forbidden for raised balls.

It's either an intention for hit with the action is not, um, or by danger for a flicker scoop. It's none of these. I try that. But the problem is, is that too much of this action is still captured by the definition of a hit. If I, if I put on my, my legal hat. So

Northwest officiating, please appoint Luke Dawkin to games. Thank you very much. Signed the entire FH FHumpires community. Okay,

let's wrap it up. . Oh, poll . There's a poll. Look at that

Okay.

I'm good at my job, 80.

And then how many? 10% said danger. Danger. Okay. And then 8% said it was a hit. Okay. And I think where we get. After all this, after an hour of this topic, sergeant, this, this is why you can watch things on replay at two times speed. No poll option for me. Start with a bully. No, Tristan. That is not a legitimate option ever.

I think that it's time that we had an examination of this particular definition and either included something to the extent that Allister was pointing out about biomechanics or that we add a type of stroke that is executed in midair. And yes, I know. Then you start saying, well, you know what if it's only an inch above the, the, the pitch is that now a volley instead of a, you know, a hit along the ground or a hit from the ground, not along the ground from the ground.

I know we can get into lots of problems with that. Maybe. Maybe we can talk about, because again, this brings analysis point about biomechanics. Maybe the hands being together at the top of the stick are close enough such that the pendulum, the fulcrum is here rather than being at the ball. That's the difference.

Maybe those are the answers, but I think by and large, we're all in agreement that this was a great goal. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen,

Ginette if we're gonna keep being friends, you gotta stop calling out when I'm wrong. Okay. Oh, I'm all here for off topic questions. Something mentioned earlier, Lee, could 3D dribbling be obstruction as shielding the ball from legitimate tackle from the stick? No. , no. Uh, because there's still a lot of ball that's accessible.

What a ball that's accessible. The front of it, the sides, the top. That's all accessible. Being underneath the ball is not enough of a shield. The problem is, is that people don't know how to tackle. End a story. Tackle. Like this is your stick tackle. Tackle like this. Don't tackle like this. Know this? Yes, this.

Okay. Thanks for your participation and conversations. Thank you for making me think hard, as always,

will Musgrave in 2024. Remember that time my goals discussed for over an hour in FH FHumpires. Sir, that's not even gonna be close to a record. Okay? Purdy, remember that time where you said I had to get into things more quickly and I had to go through them more quickly and somebody else said, ma'am, you take too long to get to the answers.

Sorry, not sorry. Okay, let's deal with this one quickly. There's a hashtag that says Keely is right. My friends know this. Okay, so this arrived in my Instagram notifications because Tristan, I have Instagram, by the way, um, that this particular in individual, and I believe that is short for umpire. Uh, uh, this one Keho individual said, what about the blocking of the goalkeeper when Argentina scores on this goal?

And this is, I'm letting the Instagram real play, real hockey's getting a ton of views off this cuz it's just cycling and cycling and cycle.

I don't think you, okay, so. This was obviously from the indoor World Cup. This was matched obviously from the

Iran and Argentina. And

let me go to how the actual play appears on full video. What a stop That was from Maximiliano Valdez and now Argentine have an opportunity and they equalize three. All great run after the given goal. One, two goes behind the goalkeeper, flex it beyond anyone. Really good. Finish and look at the passion

pull Really quick, pull really quick, really quick. Oh, what's your call?

Free hit destr. Free hit destruction. Free hit defense for obstruction or good goal?

The, the thing that I thought was interesting about this as a content creator, I have many, many, many people advising me that vertical video is the way that people are gonna be watching everything vertically. And there was an entire social media, uh, an entire broadcast channel, livestream channel where they were trying to create content and they were creating original drama, comedic, whatever content in vertical format.

So it wasn't just that it was being displayed vertically that a nine by 16 aspect was being taken out of a 16 by nine. It was literally being shot, designed, storyboarded lit everything for nine by 16 for vertical format portrait as it were, because that's the way so many people consume their content with their tablets, with their phones.

The problem with that is that when you try to watch sports, sports highlights on a nine by 16 aspect ratio, you miss some things. You miss a full array of the context. So get your votes in because I'm gonna two minute this one. because I'm just gonna tell you what the answer is. , really, really quickly

after you do all this quick or answers available on the Discord. Yeah, I'm a lot, I'm just a lot more like fast. And thank you very much Steven for that. As a new moderator, Steven Denman has just PO posted his first link. I'm so proud of you. Rado Stick obstruction by own defender. Nailed it. Like that's the one, uh, the goalie obstructed was by his own teammate and just makes contact with a defender.

Like the defender does come around from behind him and there is a little bit of contact. Does that disadvantage the goalkeeper or was the goalkeeper already significantly disadvantaged by the fact that he couldn't properly. Use his stick and that his body was kept in a particular space because of needing to try to disentangle himself from his teammate.

That was the thing there. Hendrick. The Argentine, after making him pass Dan's directly in the path of the goalkeeper, preventing him from getting out to make a tip to the ball. I think you're gonna be the only one who votes that way. Hedrick. It's okay though.

It's tight. But the goalkeeper stick got caught in his own player. Yes, and we have to balance this. It's on every decision. There might be three or four things that are all happening in very quick succession, and we have to decide what matters and what doesn't. It's not that there is no contact, there is a little bit, had the goalkeeper been in full control of their own faculty's body, all that kind of thing.

That would have, I think. Trended much more towards that contact being an issue. But did that disadvantage the player?

I get it. Okay. I'm ending the poll. I hope y'all voted. Two minute warning. Oh my God. Where's my pen?

Where did I put my pen? Oh, there it is.

What did we do? 75% said goal. Do you like this new system? Oh, it's better if I actually turn on the overlay. Let's make it fatter. Maybe my writing won't look so bad. And then 25% said o b s. Thank you for your 24 votes in that. So I get it. I get it. But. What I really wanted to pull out other than the whole, you know, witch thing, really disadvantages a player is don't watch things on social media and think that that's gonna give you a good perspective on what actually happened in the play, especially if it's the wrong aspect ratio.

And when we get to watch the replay back and we see, for example, we see this entire, we, we, we see the angle from behind where Rachel would've, pardon me, seen the play from a little more accurately. This angle right here, you get a better idea of. How much contact there actually was and it was pretty little.

And that player that the attacker is, is not gonna be moving any further into the net in that case because he's gonna get smoked by the ball. We did get a hundred percent in a YouTube poll and it was really fun. So, um,

Can't, you can't, and I'm sorry, this is a very desktop friendly or big 4K screen. First time somebody sent me a shot of them watching me doing a 4k, like doing, doing a what up Wednesday on 4k and a big screen. I was like, turn that off. Nobody needs that in their life. And no, there was no bully. There's a option for bully.

Okay. Thank you for that. I appreciate your contributions. What are we at now? Okay.

I wanted to do this after the World Cup ended. Uh, but we were too busy talking about discreet clips and that's, that's the trap I feel like we're falling into, especially when we talk about one clip for an hour. And yes, it's we, it's all of us. It's not just me. I'm trying to blame me solely for the pacing of this show.

It's really unfair. I li I want to get all of your comments in, and some of them are very good. Even when I disagreed with Alistair, when we worked through it, I thought, okay, there is something here. Just a different angle. But it was a very valid perspective and helped me think through some things. So I need to go through all your comments.

So there were two things that really kind of came through for me in watching. I think I watched 72 of the, of the 80 Hockey World Cup matches if I'm recollecting all the numbers properly. And then of the, it was 40, it was, it was again another 80 matches of the indoor hockey World Cup. And I watched, I think I'd say about 62 of those matches.

Th these were the things that I noticed,

and the first issue was positioning. If you're part of the F H U 13 yellow and you are joining me for watch parties on a regular basis, I get very repetitive and it's super boring. I talk about positioning a lot and I talk about a style of positioning that I, um, I didn't originate, but I've given it a cute name because that's what marketing is called.

Mission critical positioning, where we prioritize the calls in our circle by making sure that we're far ahead of the play and we're actually on the end line welcoming the play coming towards us as it's coming into our 23, not just our circle. And we're in that position because the most important decisions that we have to make are right here.

And if we are chasing the play, if we are looking over our shoulder, if we are in motion, when we're trying to make these top decisions and our heart rate's going a million miles an hour, and our brain chemicals, hormones, endorphins, adrenaline, all that stuff is interfering with our ability to make great choices.

We're gonna screw up more. Mission critical positioning is about getting the big decisions right, and giving you more of an opportunity to not have to maybe. Work is hard at trying to be everywhere on the pitch, but being in the right place is the right time. What I noticed in both the outdoor and the indoor versions of the game was that the umpires who were ahead of the play, who were on the end line earlier, more often were those that were doing the matches at the end of the tournament on the last day.

If you are still an umpire who hasn't learned about mission critical positioning and things like that, and I, I just, I didn't want this just to be a plug for it, but like, let's face it. Let me, let me just do this thing because it is a thing.

Mission critical course. Okay. I've, I've given you the opportunity to do this work asynchronously. There's a channel in the Discord where you can join me and you can, you can talk through issues. I'm very, very there. I spend a lot of time in the discord answering questions and things like that, and I'd love to hear your feedback, the things that you're working on with the positioning.

Put in your clips in there. Usually I only want, you know, yellow members to give me their video to debrief, but I will look at your positioning clips in particular to help you absorb and incorporate this into your practices, because I am so passionate about this when I see it at the top level and I see the umpires doing it well, and I see those are the umpires who are doing the gold medal games and the bronze medal games, and they're doing the semi-finals.

This is what pushes me to continue to talk to you all about,

Got video analysis. Yeah, this one, this is what pushes me to continue to talk to you about positioning because it is the number one skill, the foundation upon which after knowing the basics of the rules, will give you the opportunity to actually do your work really, really well in indoor. It's an interesting thing because nobody taught me mission critical positioning for indoor.

It's something that I took from watching outdoor and because I do indoor for six months of everybody here, I thought, why don't we, why are we still running outside the boards and hey Baz, like if you're watching, you're probably not cuz you're taking a break after the annual cup, but the whole adorable little thing with your foot up on the boards very cute.

But what if you didn't have to be moving over the boards? All the time. What if you weren't outside, but you were actually inside and ahead of the play? What would it mean? And I've spent years working on it and part of the level one indoor comprehensive course that I am finishing up right now, 70 module, 70 units worth.

Part of that that course was positioning and how I've learned, and I've trained and I've experimented with, and I've battled and, and struggled and thought about really, really hard about how this interior positioning could be used in indoor hockey. I'm freaking sold, like I can't talk myself out of it as much as I.

So to me, this is where we need to start focusing a lot more of our continuing education efforts at all levels of the game. There were some awesome umpires at the, at both of those World Cups, but people that I know and I know what they're capable of, and I, and I, I love their umpiring and I love their decision making, but because of their positioning, they weren't in the top tier.

And to me that's a failure. Not of them, but of the entire coaching and mentoring system. So join me, be a part of the movement. I don't know how else to say this. Um, let's just say the best positioning is a gentle recline on the sofa holding a glass of rose. There you go, Ian. We had a one hour talking about the lobbed hit, so enjoy.

Nick, I don't even know. This is the reason I put on lots of makeup is for 4k. Thank you very much. Just like to say there's the link. Thank you so much. And is that just behind the going too? Yeah, there you go. The social video on par. Um, yeah. Impacts and mechanics similar to two snooker balls hitting each other.

It's a clear agreed upon term duration of a put in orders of magnitude longer. Okay. I'm listening to this. Come into the server and talk to me more about this and if, if you, if you know of some resources, if you've seen some videos. Just, just to help a lay person like me. I don't have a strong STEM background.

I was a law student. , I was a lawyer. I have a. A major in political science with minors in English and psych. Clearly the STEM thing just was not a focus for me, but I can't understand it. Just given some more resources. So if you can find some things that would help me out, that would be very helpful. And Rachel, you're sold.

Yeah. That's cuz you're my favorite. Hmm. Okay. I'm glad to hear that though. That's important. The other major trend that I saw in both of the World Cup tournaments was interventions and I,

it, it's, it's every game. Every game that I, I lead through on a holistic basis. It's not something I can show you in, just, in a clip, in a what up Wednesday that, oh, this should have been a card. It's the understanding for me that after watching. Hundreds and hundreds of matches over the last five years, hundreds of matches each year.

Of those five years, I now see the patterns I didn't before when I was umpiring, I didn't get it. I didn't understand. I thought that there was a lot of merit to not carding too early, because what if you have to bring out cards later and, and what if you ha they then have to be yellow cards because you've run out of the green cards?

And, and we wanna keep players on the pitch and we don't wanna be the showcase and the center of the attention. We want the players to be deciding the game. All those things are true. And the only way you can achieve those aims, the only way I have seen it work consistently throughout hundreds of international matches where the players are playing.

A lot more than sheep stations. They're playing for money. They're playing for money for their national association. They're playing for access and participation in World Cups and Olympics and all those things. Everything is on the line, and the only way we can keep the game flowing, skillful, exciting, fun to watch is when we as umpires take our opportunities and we send those messages and intervene the first time it happens in a game.

We have to be consistent, end of story. And when we give those warning whistles and, oh no, next time I'm gonna get that. I didn't like that drill, but I'm not gonna card for it now because what if I have to card for it later? You're gonna have to card for it later if you don't card for it the first time, because the players know they can get away with it.

End of story. This just isn't an argument for me anymore, and I've tried. I've tried listening, I've tried talking myself out of it, but this is the pattern that I see. Whether it is the first game of a tournament or it's the gold medal final, whether it's going to be a 10 nothing result, or it's gonna be a one one tie that goes into a shootout.

It doesn't matter if it's Namibia or if it's the Netherlands. These things are true. This is a foundational law in the game. And I, I really believe that we can get to the next level of things. We can avoid becoming a sport ball. We can make our game even better if we are better at this aspect, if we are better with our intervention.

So we stop talking ourselves out of them. Okay. If you wanna know more about these things, and you're like, why is Keely insane? And why did she just rant like that? And why does she have writing on her face come into the Discord server? Talk to me more. This is part about, this is part of what I, I, I do. And I, I talk about, and it's an exchange of information.

This is an exchange. I don't just come up with this all in my own head and then foist it upon anybody. Okay? We watch these games together and I say to them, I say to anybody who's watching, I'm like, here we are. It's. Uh, 3 55 left in the first quarter. That is the first time the ball has been played after the whistle and nothing was done.

I guarantee we're gonna see it again in the second quarter, and then it happens. And if that's not dealt with, I'm like, wow, this is gonna become a real issue and we're gonna see it in the fourth quarter in crucial situations. Lo and behold, there it is. Like, I wanna be wrong a lot more often than I am, and I just can't manage it.

Okay,

so I, I, I hope that that sort of gives you an, an impression of why I watch so much of this hockey, why I encourage you as fans, as coaches, as players, but best, best of all, most of all is umpires. Best of all, to watch as much hockey as you can so that you can take all these lessons in. For yourself. You can f you can figure this out for yourself, but if you can't, the whole point of coaching is to give you a shorter road to the knowledge that I have spent so much time building up all the attention that I've paid, all of the mistakes that I've made, all of the detours, all the different ways I've done that, all that for you so that I can give you a shorter road so that you can be better than you ever thought possible, that you can reach your goals, that you can be the best umpires you can be at your level, at the next level, at the level after that.

Because that's something that I wanted for myself and I, I couldn't figure it out. When I was actually on paring, and that's why I am just so crazy about making this happen for all of you. And it delights me. It absolutely delights me. Nothing has made me happier than when I see somebody in our community, Maxwell Umpiring International, under eighteens Mike McDowell, making the ND M P U A development panel, whatever that is.

Steven Denman making his level one. Okay. Those things make me so happy. I can cry because I know that I've be one person has been able to make those people, help them do something more. And then you will also pass that along to the next, and that is what we call change.

I wanna be wronged. I do. Uh, you know, we're not gonna get to the burnout topic because it's one 30 and I'm burned out.

Come into the Discord server. I sort of alluded to a couple things when I counted up how many matches that the indoor, that the, I didn't have to count. I could look at a fricking list on the tms, but when I looked at how many matches happened over the 17 days of the Men's World Cup, and then we had six days off, and then the indoor World Cup happened, and for six days we had just as many matches.

And that all happened within the span of one month. And when you look at what this entire schedule has been for the last six months since the game really opened back up again and what is coming down the pipe, and that we have another Olympics happening in. How many months is that? 20. 20 months. Less than 20 months.

And I'm, I'm struggling to figure it all out. . I, I don't know how not to get overwhelmed. So I wanna talk to you about that. All the attention I've paid, all the mistakes I've made. Um, it could be on my tour shirt. No, it's not. Funny enough, Carol Keely's really wrong, but really Tuesday? Yeah, it's just there.

Sorry, Jared. Hi. You're a huge fan. No, I'm a huge fan of you. Uh, you've been watching me play for a bit, but you caught, haven't caught. Oh, it's 4:00 AM So you are in Sydney. 4:00 AM. Yeah, that's not India. That is, yeah, that's more like Sydney. Something like that. So I really appreciate you stopping in. I am just delighted that you woke up in the middle of the night and decided to say hi.

Look forward to seeing your comments on the replay and come into the server because you know what happens at night? My night is all the Europeans go to sleep and the English people all go to sleep and I'm sitting there in the server going, there's nobody here. So that is the time that I expect Lockie and Shayne and like everybody who's down in the southern hemisphere, GAT tree, I, that's when you guys get to all chime in and keep my company and ask me questions.

Perth got it. I was very close. Perth. So does that mean, you know, uh, Matt and John of the reverse stick? Let me know they're my friends. Come into the server, let's talk. Very friendly. Um, yes. I don't know what's happening here. Cards Keely told me too. Okay. Yeah. This is what happens. That's, that's also another thing Keely said, so, okay.

Thank you for bearing with me. It was one of those shows I occasionally tell you things. I journaled my thoughts about burnout and I was gonna talk about my thoughts about burnout. They're all here. If I hadn't gone to get my hair done yesterday and didn't look so amazing today, I was gonna cancel the show cuz I'm tired and then I come on the show and I have a great time and you guys are awesome.

And then I'm like, how could I ever not do a Wednesday show? Thank you. Sydney is seven 30. Good to know. That's very early in the morning and I don't like to hear that. Right. Let's keep fo soldiering on. I know that there are pro league matches happening down in Sydney right now. Australia, Germany and China are playing on the women's side, having their own little tournament.

That's another thing that's coming up in the next few months, is just, they're playing, I don't know, 24 matches on each side. So there'll be 48 matches happening in the Pro league from now until the end of June. It's, see, it's crazy. Oh, you don't have to buy me Rose. I need time to drink. You know, I just need that If you mean Matt Allen.

Yes. Oh, oh, you're, you're a Mac pie. Okay, say hi. Tell him that, that we're friends and very cool. I love that. And yes, that's all I want is for you guys to take this forward and take for these thoughts because you do this work in your own little brain stems here and then you trot out on the pitch and things hopefully will feel more automatic.

You will have done the work so that you can do the thing, do the work. So you can do the thing live from Amsterdam that's coming up. Yeah, that's the other thing. Uh, thank you. I, yeah, I'll, I'll figure out the self-care at some point. Who knows? Okay. We will see you in the server. We will see you out there on the hockey pitch, metaphorically, obviously, figuratively speaking.

Not literally, cuz you guys don't live in Canada and you're not coming out to my indoor pitch to play. You should. Because it's fun, but okay, we will see you around on the 24th. I'm gonna be doing a special show that's a Friday with Ernst Bart of the hockey site. And we are gonna talk about aerials with a couple of coaches and players of high, high International standard.

And we are gonna do kind of like a what up Wednesday, but with guests and sh and anyway, it's gonna be dope. So pencil that in. It's gonna be in the middle of the day for you all. I have to get up very early for it. 24th. I was hoping to have a graphic for you, but I don't, and yes, you're very welcome. No, it's, it's all because of you guys.

So thanks a lot. We'll see you next.

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