📅 Mar 16 19.00 GMT
We've got a penalty corner height of the first hit shot at goal, free hit aerials over the circle, a diving tackle, and what happens after an aerial interception goes wrong. Mix in a milestone or two, PC equipment outside the 23m and get ready for a Rant of the Week where I will undoubtedly get verclempt talking about our #thirdteam community.
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0:00 Chair Dancing
2:27 Topics!
14:50 1. PC Equipment Outside 23m
43:13 2. The Southgate Slide
01:06:58 3. No Goal In Amsterdam
01:22:08 4. Aerial Over or In Circle?
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What Up Thursday? Hi, Keely Dunn, FH FHumpires. You're the third team and holy smokes, this is weird. I can't even tell you how weird I feel right now. First of all, hair not quite on point. Second of all, it's Thursday and well, there's a whole bunch of you here and I am shocked. I am shocked. I tell you at.
How many fine, fine folks are here and good to hear that. For the, some of you who normally miss your, uh, Wednesday fix and catch it on replay. You are here and you get to watch it live with me, so this is great. Uh, let's see. We got Cat the Old take two. David El Eton's here. Thank you so much and thank you for reaching out the other day.
Uh, struggling to press the right buttons here. Let's try it. Let's, come on. Let's do this. This is gonna be a good show people. Good show. Okay. I'm gonna check the comments, like scroll to the bottom and make sure that everything is working happy Thursday. Okay. I'm not hearing anybody saying that I've messed up my sound or there's anything buffering.
I mean, it's looking pretty good right now. You guys. Let's go every day. I'm buffering. Look, I am just so. I'm so appreciative because yesterday was one of those days that one can easily say, oh my goodness, this was terrible. I'm gonna break down into tears and all that sort of thing. But you guys are so fantastic about making sure that you know, you're chill and you're supportive and you're like, Hey, let's go tomorrow.
And I'm like, God, who's the smarty pants? Who came up with that idea? Cause it wasn't me. So thank you. And let's see, we, yes, we have sound and video. Luke is not umpiring. I mean ads here. So like that's a thing. , I mean, really. And yes, the retry party, we've got watch parties, retry parties, we've got the whole thing.
And did you know that Rachel drinks cabernet something else on Thursdays as well? Mm-hmm. . That's what happens. Okay. Let's see. Everything's going well and my upload speed has been fixed, so, as I started to put the pieces together, you know, smarty pants over here thought maybe I should do some speed tests.
I did said speed tests and was shocked to find out eight megabits per second. Eight, eight. I was like, what? What kind of monster would inflict eight gigabits per second on me when normally I have about 950, so rated at one gig. But anyway, I reset the router and rebooted everything, and it all worked. It's just really difficult to think of all these troubleshooting things on the fly, and maybe I could have spent 10 minutes doing that yesterday, but, oh, , what do you say?
YouTube on the tape. You might see the clips today. There you go. Oh, Larry, what time is it for you? I, because it depends on which area of Australia it is. Obviously you're a big country, kind of like ours, so we get it clear. Oh my God, it's been a hot minute. Thank you for coming. And there you go. Let's go.
Tomorrow. Came straight out the slave. Same book as let's go on tour. Yeah, that's a thing. Okay. Um, I did these announcements yesterday, so sorry if you heard them already, but this needs to get out for posterity and for the YouTubes. Some of you may not have heard about them, but I wanted to say hello to a few people who have just joined the F H E third team and that would be Andrew Lim of the Kingdoms of United.
Right here. Right here, Andrew has just joined F H U Green, F H u three T Green. So that is our level of support where you get access to the clip library and some special little perks that I put in the Discord server. But one of the biggest things is that you help make sure that we can continue doing all these educational things for everybody around the world, these weekly live streams.
So Andrew, thank you so much, and James Wallace has joined yellow. So congratulations, James. Apparently Anwar wrestled you into it. Anwar is pretty cool. Not gonna lie. I'm pretty impressed. So if you are half a school noir, you're gonna be amazing and yeah, let's get to work. I can't wait. So thank you to both Andrew and James and welcome to the show.
A couple of milestones were reached this week. Two K subs on YouTube, which I would like to say thank you to all of you who have subscribed. If you haven't subscribed, is my button gonna work? Yeah. Look
ding. Yeah, do that thing. Do that thing. That would be appreciative. But for me, subs are fine. Likes, yes. But the thing that means the most to me is how much you guys engage. So the fact that you keep asking questions, you keep helping me out with answers, you keep pressing me and forcing me to explain things well really means so much because you are making this whole experience more valuable for everybody.
So thank you. I try not to sound facetious. Instagram, 4,000 followers on Wednesday morning. Yesterday morning. Woke up there, it was 4,000. So I don't do a lot on Instagram. I don't do a lot on the socials period. So thanks to everybody, the weird part. Okay, you guys, the weird part is that on the reels, so I had to repost the reel to change the date for this show, you know, today.
And I'm getting comments just like you do on like inside hockey and icons and all those, all those channels who put up clips and are like, what's your call? And people are actually just like, yeah, it's a yellow cart and saying stuff on my reels. So thank you. That's really great. Okay, uh, back to the announcements,
I wanted to talk about this. Uh, briefly, and this is a realtime view of the GoFundMe campaign that was launched by Ali Baggott, who is a Canadian umpire, a retired Canadian international player, um, when she was Ali Lee. Now she's Ali Ball and also Path Media Officer. Uh, she works for uv. She's, she's just, she knows her stuff about telling stories in media and she decided that she was gonna launch a fundraiser to support Megan McClellan, who is our mutual friend.
And Megan and I, Megan and I actually umpired my last international tournament together. So as Canadian umpires, we were down there in Ver Cruz, uh, Mexico and Umpired the CAC games. And that means a lot to me and Meghan and I went kayaking last. Summer before. Can't remember, uh, when she came out to Calgary and we had a great time.
So yeah, Megan, uh, needed some support to make sure she could get to the Junior PanAm Cup, which is happening in Barbados in about a month because she found out that she was gonna be entirely responsible for her flights and expenses, that Field Hockey Canada was not gonna be putting any money. Allie stepped up, told her story, and within, I don't know, eight hours, she was fully funded.
So , I'm looking at my phone and I'm texting Allie saying, Hey dude, um, you know, Lori and Pam probably need help too. Oh yeah. Added them and as you can see right now, fully funded. Everybody. They get to go and get not to stress. And I mean, Lori and I are gonna be working together. The indoor PanAm cup, or sorry, the indoor.
Canam series happening in Toronto this weekend. So she's my td. I'm her. Um, we're gonna be roommates. It's gonna be a lot of fun, and I'm just so pleased for her and for Pam and Megan, they contribute so much to the scene of hockey here in Canada. If you contributed, thank you. Thank you, thank you. If you didn't, and you still want to, what's, you can see in the description that the, uh, any excess is going to be going straight to the field.
Hockey can officiating, uh, committee in trust and they have sworn upon their lives that they will be allocating any funds to, um, any excess funds to funding officials going to tournaments. Joe Weich from Calgary is coming out to Toronto with me, and she had to pay her flight, as did I, I'm, I'm angling for Joe's flight.
Just want you to know. Okay. . That was great news. Very pleased for that self-indulgent moment. It's my channel. I get to do this. My club. This is my club. Well this is my, this is my twos. These are our twos, and we won our semi-final yesterday, yesterday, Sunday. And we're gonna be playing in the final when I'm in Toronto.
They're gonna do fine without me, don't worry. And that's awesome. But you know what else is awesome. The threes also are playing in the final and the ones are playing in the final as well. So literally all three of our teams in our club are playing for championships of their divisions, and I am so proud.
I also scored a penalty stroke. I did. It was a for nothing win, but that stroke was important. Hi. Okay, let's see who else is here. In case I'm, oh no, don't say that. Don't say that. Um, okay. Hello, innocent. Good to see you all the way from South Africa. Welcome. You get an air horn, sir. Air horn, thank you for coming in and I can't wait to hear the questions and the comments that you have.
Make sure you get stuck in and engaged. This is what we're talking about today. These are our topics. We are talking about penalty corner equipment outside the 23 meter area, the south gate slide. No goal in Amsterdam, uh, aerial over or in the circle. A penalty corner. First shot, hit at height, and then we're gonna do some rapid fire.
I've decided to do a rapid fire so that if I have time for more short segments, I can, but if not, nobody's gonna be mad. See how I get all that? I get all that just arranged the way I like it. There you go. Oh, Simon's here. Yes. Woodstone Cottage. There you go, Ian. Of course they were. And you know what I didn't do?
I didn't drag the ball. and I still scored. I kind of hit, I kind of shot it at her, but as, as one of my young, uh, teammates said, she said, Keely, you really put a lot of venom into that stroke. And I said, I've got a lot of venom built up. Just ask anybody watches his live stream. Okay, let's get started.
Let's get this party started. penalty corner equipment outside the 23 meter. Oh, Australia Hawking Beach. Keep on giving, just changes the dynamic as is. So this is a penalty corner defense attempt. Uh, Successful. I sped it up so that you could see the movement of the ball and that this is a continuation.
After that penalty corner free hit is awarded outside the 23
his knee pads here, and 1, 2, 3. I'm at a stop time. Gotta get rid of it. Okay. And instructing Aen to get rid of his ne guards. But more than that, what we miss in the direction is that he's given a green card to, uh, to Eddie Ardon and now is upgrading it with a yellow card because he didn't leave the pitch Yellow card.
Really difficult for us to see with how the cameras went back and forth. Um, You know, it's really difficult. So David also, uh, as you can see here, is taking a little bit of clarification and just making sure everybody knows what's happening. Okay. Sorry, what was
breakdown?
I see you. Okay. He's given a free hug. Yeah, right. The free was me back here. Yep. Eddie can't take it. In fact, he shouldn't even be out here. So he really should be go. So we've given him the green card. He's then stopped and broken the play down. So how's not allowed? Be here with the rule. If you get an opportunity to take him off and take him off, he's, here's free here.
Not out here. I thought that's no, not out here. So you're saying with the free hat? Yeah, but he's gonna, yeah. And what about the breakdown? Cause he was playing the ball for, well, he can't, he can't play the ball for free. That's the issue. He can't play. Okay, so I'm just replaying this moment cuz actually Zaki the captain also , is wearing his knee guards and playing the ball outside the 23 before even that free hit is awarded.
And I bet Zaki the reason he retreated towards the 23 is he realized he still had his knee guards on knee pads and then Aden takes off. Okay, so let's parse this out because it was a little bit, yeah, not, uh, not very clear, and it was quite messy. So the first thing that we wanna have a look at is the rules here with 4.2 and let's see if I can get this working properly.
We're looking at this section here about when players need to remove their equipment. So obviously the Australian. Players had a little bit of confusion cuz the Lucy asked, well isn't isn't the new rule that it is when we get an opportunity to remove our equipment. But regardless of that opportunity, they cannot wear their equipment outside the 23 meter area.
I can't see anything. So they have to remove it before they leave the 23 meter area or as indicated by the umpire. So those are the two conditions on which that they have to remove their stuff. Alright, so what is interesting about this provision though is that it doesn't actually declare what the penalty is for doing so.
And as these rules have been coming about with removal penalty corner equipment, there's been a few people have asked me, well what do we do? And the convention. , at least I can say, is to call a, uh, to call a free hit outside the 23 meter against the defender who was playing with their penalty corner equipment still on.
Now, back at Tokyo, there was one play where I remember, I think it was an Indian player or maybe it was an Argentinian, I can't remember who went running up the pitch and she was l between the center line and the attacking 23. So she'd moved well outside the defending 23, well outside, like past the center line and was doing something up there and wearing knee guards and Ayanna McClean gave that player a green card.
And the clarification did come down that it's, it's that the, the appropriate penalty is a free hit unless you have breakdown of play. high impact or repeated occurrences. I don't know how wearing knee guards is ever going to impact the play because it doesn't change the ability of a player to make a tackle.
It doesn't change anything for the players. It's just a technical rule to ensure that players aren't running around with more protective equipment than, than they should have particular face masks, which are a danger to the opposition. Okay. That being said, there's nothing in the briefing either that clarifies this.
So I looked for this cuz I said, well I know this is what the penalty is. I know this is the the remedy, but why can't I find it anywhere? Uh, cuz it's not there.
It'd be cool if we could fix this very, very. Um, yes, Simon, we've been here before and you're still not checking if they've removed their , their groin protectors. Yeah. Yeah. Which is, I mean, as, as facetiously as Simon is saying it, um, with all joking manner Manor, it's a good point because does it matter, and there is an argument to be made that the way that 4.2 is worded and that the structure of the paragraphs, which are absolute, absolute dog's breakfast.
I, I mean, there's just no question about it. That whole provision is ridiculous. It bounces all over the place. The wrong equipment is lumped in with, with descriptions of other things. We don't have the remedy prescribed. It's, it's, it's just so bad. But when you take it to that, I mean, I'm not a, I'm not a fan of red herrings or.
You know, taking things to extremes. But it does point out that there's other penalty corner specific equipment, groin protection's not mentioned anywhere in the rules or the briefing either, by the way, which is kind of interesting. It's like, shh, don't talk about the groin protection. People might get offended even though all the guys wear it, so that just doesn't even get mentioned.
But in 4.2 you can argue that it's only the face masks that are defined as penalty corner equipment that must be removed because of where it exists in the provision. So if I go back to, to this, it's the way it says, that paragraph says their players are permitted to wear smooth, preferably transparent face, mask, or grill.
Uh, and are needed to, they must remove it whenever they can. if they are inside the 23 meter area, or when the umpire instructs, all players must remove. And then, and then the paragraph starts to go into, all players must remove all protective equipment before they leave the 23 meter area. Why is that in the same provision?
Why is it in that provision? Why do we not have a list of what the protective equipment is at this point and what has to be removed and what does not have to be removed? Just make it clear and if, if you're saying that the, the big gloves that the players put on to protect themselves for penalty corners, that those need to be removed.
Well, that's not true because we have, in the very first provision here, they're permitted to wear this hand protect. . Okay. Without any need of protect of compressing it, blah, blah, blah. Both for normal play and to defend penalty corners. Okay? So we've got all these complicating factors. Players could wear hockey, gloves, ice hockey, gloves, all over the pitch if they wanted to.
All game, I don't know how good they'd be of players. I can't even use my bare hands. Nevermind use big hockey mitts to play. But that's there. So I, I don't know how , how we're expected to understand how to consistently apply this particular rule when the rule is just so garbage and out of , out of place, out of order, all that sort of thing.
So what happens here, I think what we wanna be clear on ourselves as we go into our situations is that the. The free hit is the correct remedy here, no matter what. Zaki commits, uh, an offense that a free hit as our understanding of what penalty we're supposed to apply goes Zaki or ochin. Not only can they not play outside the 23, but ev if they're wearing their protective equipment, they're not permitted to take a self pass.
And Akin even takes a self pass and goes running it up the field, and then he goes to pass it off. They're not even allowed to do that. If they're inside the 23. They can only take a quick pass to a friend. They can't self pass it and start going dribbling. I think it's dumb, but the briefing is very clear and that's something that the briefing actually specifies.
We know this. Okay, so when I was watching this and trying to parse through everything that happened, what it seemed to me like. is the, the, the green card came for an intent and just a misunderstanding of what the appropriate remedy was. But after the Green Card was awarded because ADON failed to leave the pitch, then he's essentially upgrading his own card.
So it's difficult when the words are, you know, that an umpire who's under a lot of pressure is trying to get the communication out there. Have we not all been in this position? Obviously we have, but that I believe is what happened here. And if it wasn't enough, this was Eddie Aden's second yellow card of the game.
He had taken one for breakdown play earlier in a rather physical breakdown tackle, and that's why it was a straight five minute yell card. So now I think y'all know I have feelings about double yell cards. And how seldomly it should be permitted that a player who's already taken one yellow card should be able to remain in a game and serve a yellow card and then return.
We have conversations on a regular basis about what different offenses are that would then allow a player to remain. And dissent can sometimes be one of those distinguishing, okay, this is not the same as breaking down play with time wasting or a tackle. I certainly will never accept an argument that says, well, that player, uh, intentionally put their foot in the way of the ball, committed an intentional foul playing the ball with the their body.
took a yellow card and then they came back on and then they committed a breakdown stick tackle. Those are two different offenses. No, no, sorry, . That's just breaking down. Play a technical issue like a captain taking a card because of an incorrectly performed substitution. Different issue. Right. That to me feels like something that you could, that you could actually, you could actually give two yellow cards for, because the captain is taking this as being the responsibly named party in the rule book, but they weren't the one that most likely, I mean, but maybe they were , the one who snuck on on the field when they weren't supposed to, and who's at fault for that, blah, blah, blah.
I think you get the point. The difficulty that I have is that if a player has already taken a yellow card, why do they get another shot? At negatively impacting a game when they know they have been warned. Not just not to do that thing, but not to do anything that's disruptive to the game.
So if this is a yellow card, well, I mean, first of all, can you give a green card to a player for failing to remove their knee guards? Well, that wasn't probably a correctly given green card. It needed to be a free hit. So there was, there's a few things that compounded here that made this situation messy.
So I don't want this to be, we gotta deal with whether Aden should have taken a red card. I think that it's, it's unfortunate how it all played out, but what we can learn from this situation. Is first of all, the conversation that the two umpires had coming into the middle of the field was very effective.
It was, it was needed to be done in order to try to explain to the teams what had happened, why the decisions were made. Even if maybe they weren't the best decisions to make at the time, the explanation is able to to be given and the umpires can give that communication. So that's something to learn from it.
And also just reinforcing that we're looking for a free hit in this situation, unless it's some kind of repeated offense or something extra high impact about it, I can't imagine what that would be, but that's what we're looking at. So I'm gonna look at your comments and see what I've missed. Um, , look, I had to go through all the stuff again just in case.
And Gary never, uh, never an issue. You know, what you can do is you can pull the, the little cur, the, um, the cursor, the, the play marker of the video back to the beginning, and then you put me on two times speed and then you can catch up and then you can be live and you haven't missed anything. Just saying it's something that I do.
And yes, the gloves can be bigger than the box, but the gloves can never be bigger than the box If, if they're worn as penalty corner defensive equipment, they still have to fit in the box. And if you wear them around on the pitch in regular play, they still have to fit in the box. Everything's gotta fit in the box.
So good to know. Luke, we need that to be a separate provision and a comprehensive list. Yes, yes. And when it has to be removed, yes. And it doesn't have to be long. You could probably take those like seven guidance paragraphs and boil it into a nice little tidy clause, sub clause done. It's not complicated now that we know what we're talking about, but it's that these provisions get altered, an edited piecemeal, and nobody takes a holistic view of, you know what?
4.2 just needs to get fixed. Let's just rip it down and rebuild it. How about that? And what surprises me is that how many umpires within the F IH community in particular who have legal training, okay, I do. But I'm talking about the Sean Rappaport's, the Lorreen Del Forges, people like that who have this legal training, they know how to draft things.
And even if it's not their area of legal specialty, they've taken some legal drafting training. You have to in law school, I'm pretty sure. But there's lots of lawyers, lots of business people. And this is fixable. This is not an intractable issue. Like danger feels like it's an intractable issue that we're never gonna be happy with.
These are easy fixes. Let's fix 'em. Doesn't have to be completely exhaustive. Yeah. It doesn't have to be exhaustive of all the items, is what you're saying, Luke and I agree. Yeah. Simple list of what can't be used outside the 23. Yep. Would suffice with the free hip being the The penalty? Yeah. What about the ball hitting Ellucian guard, part of normal protection, play on or penalty depending on the location per nine 16?
Well, let's have a look at that because we can check what the provisions say. So I believe, as you alluded to Rado, the nine 16 here. Okay. Is uh oh nine 16 is a,
I think you meant nine 17. Yeah. Nine 17. Okay. Nine 16 and nine 17. Did I do the wrong one? I may have, I may have the wrong, did you see that? Really fancy. Watch this again.
So I may have the wrong rule book up, but I'm pretty sure it's the other way. Field players must not stop, kick, propel, throw. I'll know if the hitting provision is here.
Players must not hit the ball. That's indoor. Okay, got it. . Sorry, Rado. I knew something was up cuz I know you know what the provisions are and this particular button isn't working. So, so as you're saying, nine 17 is the provision that we're looking at. So once my, my mouse comes back to me. Thank you. Okay.
Okay, here we go.
9, 17, 16, still. 16. 16. It's 17. I'm gonna shut up now. But the good news, the internet's really good today. Okay. So if the ball hits any discarded equipment, such as, so when a rule is phrased like that, where it says any and such as, that is meant to be an all-encompassing provision. So that will include shin guards, uh, or knee guards or gloves or anything like that.
Okay? So that, that covers it. I hope that makes it very, um,
I hope that covers it all. Lugar part of normal, part of normal protection. Sorry, if I could read, you know, And stop fussing. Uh, for me, that's, that's part of the play because it hasn't been discarded and it hasn't been thrown. So you still have this whole notion of things being thrown and that sort of thing.
It's not a discarded piece of penalty corner equipment. So anybody have anything else for me on that? Cuz I don't feel comfortable with my answer. I'm just gonna be honest with you. If I don't like the things that come outta my mouth, I'm gonna tell you guys. Raj, how do we actually tackle this problem when a player goes outside the 23 with the protection gears on?
If we see them getting close to the 23 and they're not playing the ball yet, you're going to be proactive. You're gonna say, Hey, hey. And you, you have to be aware. You, you have to pick this up. Even when they don't, you don't get to relax in our game. Like it's a lot of work. So you're, you're keeping an eye, your periphery, you're looking at, okay, who's thrown off their equipment?
Who hasn't? Oh, 11 is getting close to the 23 dude. Knee guards, knee guards, knee pads. Why do we see knee guards all the time? Knee pads. Get your knee pads off. If they're outside and they haven't touched the ball, the the ball yet, you're gonna be very directive and very, you know, um, very strong with your wording to, because you're not there to trap them.
We're not there to say, haha, you're wearing your knee pads, we're gonna penalize you. Haha, we're so clever. This is about trying to make sure that a rule like this that's so technical and ticky tacky doesn't even enter into the consciousness the way that this play did. We don't want this. We don't want this whole thing.
We want players doing awesome stuff and us being able to applaud. That's our goal. Right. So that's what we're looking at, proactive communication. I hope that helps. Oh, that's a bad pun. That's a very bad pun. Yes, Larry. The rule needs to be reviewed and restructured. Allow better flow of the game, this disadvantage to the player now in possession of the ball, which will allow a faster counter attack.
I think I, I understand what you're saying, Larry. And the, the improvement that they've made and the, I'm gonna give credit words due the rules committee allowing this relaxation of while the ball was in the 23, that it's okay. I mean, remember it used to be the five meter dotted line in outdoor, and that was no fun because.
At that point it was, you know, it was so strict and the ball was much more likely to get turned over, come back into the circle, and players were under a lot of pressure to feel like, oh my God, we gotta get this equipment off as soon as possible because we wanna participate in a counter attack. But oh my God, I'm gonna be unsafe because I'm gonna be turning my back.
I'm gonna be looking at where I'm throwing the equipment so I don't hit the umpire. I don't hit a, an opponent or a teammate or a ball patrol and I'm gonna lose track of the ball, I'm gonna lose track of my mark, all that stuff, right? So the relaxation of the spacial limit to the 23 meter line is a fantastic step in the right direction.
And I think that's as far as it needs to go. Cuz if you are gonna tell me that at this point an organized team with 11 players on the pitch can't sort out how to counter attack or how to monitor this properly, After the play and I mean, I sped up, I sped up this replay, but it was a good stretch of like 20 seconds of play.
That's enough time. So I'm not necessarily buying that. I think this is the right place, the right happy medium in my view. So, am I on drugs? You tell me. Hi Simon. Is there a reason, perhaps you're assuming too much, that the umpire didn't proactively shout to get rid of the kit? We have no idea if you did or not.
We have, we don't have audio at this moment. And remember this is India playing Australia and Roque . So it's kind of a big game. There's, you know, probably 10,000 people in the stands, maybe more. It could have been very loud at that moment. and it's really difficult for our empires to get those messages through in this particular scenario.
Us at home, come on, we gotta yell over somebody's dog maybe and a couple rowdy students if it's a Wednesday. Otherwise, it's fine. It's fine. And we'll be able to get that proactive message through. So I hope that helps. Oh my god, you call me ma'am. It's so weird. , come on, I'm Canadian. Don't, it makes me feel weird to call me.
Ma'am David, is there any parts of the rules that prevents a player starting the game whilst wearing a knee pad explicitly? No. And that's the problem. That's the problem. And Rob 10, Cat and I had a long conversation about this where I wasn't convinced. And then he said, well, Keeley, like work through 4.2, work through this, work through that.
And I was like, Actually, yeah. So it's an, it's an interesting conundrum. You can infer and you can extrapolate from the way that the rules are set up that you have to remove, that you can't have them all at the beginning. But I've spoken about this as somebody with tni replacements. I, I kind of would, like, if I'm getting into a high paced match or I'm worried I'm gonna fall over, it kind of would be cool if I could wear knee pads.
So if I ever get to the point, if I can rehab sufficiently that I'm able to move and let's say I try out for the Canadian Masters under 55 team and I make it, and I go to a competition of that kind of level, this is something I'd look into myself in order to protect myself, to feel really confident that if a ball gets smoked at me, it's not that it'll, it shouldn't hurt, right?
But it'll just. It's hard to describe that, that feeling. Um, what are you saying, Cat? The fastest, most effective defensive brakes from PCs typically has a defender with knee pads on shifting the GU quickly to a forward player without the knee pads on, which is why it's really an issue. Yeah. And that's another good point, but I, I think it's a, it's something worth considering that, um, that Larry's talking about.
I just think that this, you know, we're currently in the right spot about it. Okay. I'm not gonna, two minute warning. I hope we work through that comprehensively enough that everybody feels good about that whole, that whole shebang, that whole shebang. Um, and just, you know, have some, some, you know, grace and empathy for a, any umpire just like us who gets in a position.
Where things may not be explicitly clear, you haven't dealt with a particular situation before. And how easy it is to not deal with the situation in the best way. We are learning from our mistakes at every level, and what my hope is is by talking about these things about how we're gonna move forward, that we can prevent and we can, we can speed up everybody's progress together.
It's like, hey, let's, one person has, has had this mistake. The rest of us get to learn from it, and we don't have to go through the same process and we can all speed it up. Okay? That's the whole point of doing these things. Next, the Southgate slide. Oh, this is the one that everybody wanted. Everybody wanted, okay, so it came up in the server.
And Patrick here, um, brought it to our attention, included the YouTube link. This is a great way, I love this. It's like, oh my God, you not only did you give me the YouTube link, you gave me the timestamp and the YouTube link. I could go look at the incident right away and say, that's a what up Wednesday topic.
And so we have had a discussion about it inside the server. And if you don't know where the server is, fh FHumpires dot com slash ds, come join in because those pre-discussion and post discussions help me as well in making sure that I get the best information to y'all. So this is what the Southgate slide looked like, pulling the strings.
Now there's danger for Southgate because old Laos have the ball for, but look at them. Oh, now that's gonna be a 10 minute yellow shore. He's connected diving with the old L player.
My favorite word in the British language, surely.
Okay. Something that I was very happy to be able to get slid on the DL here was the opposite, uh, the opposite angle. Okay. And obviously it's terrible footage, so don't at me. Don't at me. Somebody was pointing their phone at their screen and thinks that that's a good way to screen capture
so we can pull this. Does anybody wanna pull this cat? And by anybody, I mean, pat. Is this a play on, is this a green card, a five minute yellow or a 10 minute yellow? Please let me know. Cat's wondering. Oh my God, Jamal is, Quan. Never is Quan ever not going to be out. It, I mean, it's just incredible. He just, yep, that's him.
He, he plays deep in the backfield now though, , he's still an exceptional player. Just exceptional. And, you know, his, his contributions, I think to the England GB setup, uh, everybody is, is just so pleased over there to be able to access his experience and information. So, okay. Get your thoughts in on the poll.
Thank you very much, Cat, and let me know what you think of the financial memory. So, The outcome if you weren't sure The outcome that was on the pitch was that no penalty was given. Time was stopped, and the player was tended to because, you know, they, they tumbled over quite dangerously and and he, he wasn't , geez, you guys stop it.
Um, I think he was okay. My understanding, I haven't heard any reports to the contrary, but, uh, did need to take medical attention on the field for, uh, a little bit of a time, which gave the umpires an opportunity to come together and have a discussion and they continued play with play on. So when we talk about the slide tackle briefing, the.
I am quite insistent that the mandatory 10 minute yellow card provision, understanding guidance principle applies when three things exist in the moment that you have body contact initiated by a defender going to ground, that body contact brings that player to ground, and that player is the ball carrier.
Okay? To me, the way that I understand how hockey works, the whole reason we get worried, why we need to make this a mandatory suspension of a 10 minute time period is because it is dangerous for players who are looking at the ball and who are carrying the ball. They can't also see out of the corner of their eye that somebody is coming and sliding in from behind them.
I don't like when it's automatically applied to situations where, uh, attackers are sliding into defenders. Let's say they're doing a sliding dive because they're trying to deflect a ball in on a penalty corner or a free play situation, and they're sliding towards the goal or at an angle to the goal or whatever the case might be.
To me, that isn't an automatic situation because in that case, you don't have a defender who's got their head down trying to carry a ball and moving into space with a ball. They can see all these things happening and it's just not quite the same level of danger. Does that mean I don't believe it'll never be a 10 minute yell card?
Absolutely not. It absolutely can be a 10 minute yellow card. And it many times it, it should be. But is it mandatory? Is it automatic For me? No. There's also degrees of contact in those situations because defenders can adjust and they can see that somebody's coming and go, oh, and gently trip over that player or not fall at all.
And I've seen 10 minute eel cards being given for very slight, non-dangerous situations. Okay. One of the comments that came in on my Instagram reel from yesterday was somebody said, pointed out Simon Parker action images, but the attacker isn't in possession of the ball. So this isn't a slide tackle. So turning my words against me.
Fair play, Simon. Simon of the Simons of England. But in this case, I don't think that you have to rely on the mandatory provision for this to be a highly dangerous situation where a player goes to ground in order to possess or dispossess the ball from an opponent. When the opponent can't, can't do anything about the situation, they are just as vulnerable because they're in a 50 50 race for this ball.
So just because the attacker doesn't have possession, what I would invoke here, regardless of mandatory or not, is that it doesn't matter. This is freaking dangerous. Off he goes for a 10 and a story. So I see that argument and academically I agree with that argument, apply to this particular fact situation.
Irrelevant. I would like to hear what . Everybody else has to say Ian, convince me it's not a 10 minute yellow card. Is it the guy at the table who's got the sign and he says, convince me to, I think that's what it is. Your tigers hi doesn't seem to be intentional, but he takes the risk of touching the other player.
Exactly. Okay, so ve really good point. Let me deal with this because the word intentional gets twisted up and really isn't what we're trying to dress here. This player intentionally goes to ground. Do they intentionally try to take down their opponent in a dangerous way and injure them? Of course that's not a, that's not their intention at all, but they are in full control of their body and the choice they make to cause this danger and to be reckless as to the result.
So that's the curter that we apply as umpires in every situation. Did you take a risky action and it didn't work out for you, and you committed a foul and you broke down the play and you committed danger? Let's go through all the upgrades and here are the cards because what we are monitoring, are the choices made by the players evidenced by, did they have full control of their body?
Could they see everything that was happening? So if this, if this, um, Southgate player, I guess if I, uh, I shouldn't even say it, the player in red, if they were at full stretch and they tripped on the turf and then they went down, We don't apply the same remedy whatsoever because they weren't in full control of their body.
They didn't intend to go to ground. We might say the way you were running, you put yourself at risk that you were gonna do that. And, and, and you know, we can sort of parse through middles and shades of gray on that area, but they weren't in full control. So we have a different view of the result and what messages we need to send to players about the care that they take with each other to not cause each other danger and to not break down play and cause bad hockey.
That's, that's just it. Uh, let's see. The old Louds player was not in position, so it's not a tackle. Okay? So that's the argument and hopefully I decimated it. Hi Ernst. Why would it not be a 10 minute? Why should it not be a 10 minute yell card when the victim is not the ball carrier? So, as I was saying, er, my argument is, and I recognize that this isn't not necessarily held by, this isn't a unanimous opinion, perhaps not even a consensus opinion, but this is my feeling about how this particular clause, this briefing, has gotten completely blown out to the extent now that anytime a player is even on the ground, everybody's demanding a yellow card, even if he doesn't make contact.
And even if it's not a tackle, and even if, even if a player falls down and decides to type a shoelaces, suddenly coaches are screaming for a yellow card
that this guidance has overstepped the intention of protecting players who are in vulnerable position. Not every slide needs to be dealt with as a dangerous play. It's dangerous when players can't see what's coming, when they can't protect themselves. That could still be highly dangerous, but is it a mandatory penalty?
The mandatory part is the part that really just grinds my gears. So I hope, I hope that clears it up without restating Stijn red slurred into purple's path. So, 10 minute for you. You're happy it's not a tackle and not a mandatory car, but still think that the play is reckless. So you're agreeing with my arguments.
Thank you, Luke. And, and this is something that I keep repeating it. I keep working through it because I wanna find the holes in the argument as well. Okay. So having an opinion is fine, but having the right opinion is the thing that is most important to me. Does the interpretation that. That I'm working with here serve the game properly.
Do we still have ample protection for players against opponents who decide to slide recklessly to the ground? Do we still allow room for players to slide in attacking situations and produce spectacular goals and not have silly, awkward looking cards given when there was actually no danger just because it happened to fulfill a few words on a checklist?
That's the concern I have Ernst. I don't like us giving out cards when there actually wasn't danger. Okay.
Then does the players taken down need to be the ball carrier? Yeah, I know. I know. But the word tackle that is included. Absolutely does.
So if I come back here, To the definitions.
So this, this is it here.
Very slow. A tackle is an action to stop an opponent retaining possession of the ball. Okay? That is there. And then when you look at the briefing of the F I H briefing, for example, it says specifically an atta, that this pertains to tackles, sliding tackles by defenders or attackers. That's logically impossible.
A defender can't. Or, or an attacker can't be tackling cuz an attacker has possession of the ball. A tackle has to be made to dispossess somebody who's already got the ball. So you can't have an attacking tackle. It's doesn't make sense. So that's, that's the intellectual reason that I have problem with that.
Good question though. Keep, keep pumping me with these questions cuz I appreciate it. How are we doing for time? Oh, it's true. Oh my God. He might not have intended to break his opponent's neck in the process, but he was reckless to the consequences of the actions. Sebastian Absolutely true and uses that beautiful phrase such.
You're convinced I'm good at this, I'm good at the arguments, but I'm okay with like keep pushing back. Keep challenging because we need to figure this out cuz I don't want this sport to go down the road of giving out 10 minute yell cards anytime a player goes down. And these slippery slopes are very easy to get on when we don't think critically about why a rule is in place.
We make mistakes on the pitch as umpires if we don't think critically about why something is there. And at the end of the day, we wanna stay out of the way of the players. We want them to do cool stuff and we wanna just have this front row seat where we get to clap our butts off cuz they're doing cool stuff.
We are facilitators, not enforcers.
And for you it fulfills the guidance of nine 13. There you go. Simon Players know if they take the risk going to ground, they run the risk. Yes. And, and, and that's the thing is like, you know, you, you can go to ground but you better do it right and you better not endanger somebody else. Yes, that's correct.
Uh, Raj, good job. Oh dang, you made it live. March break. I can't hammer. High risk action without disregard. Opponent safety series injury 10. I can't believe you want more yellow cards. Erz, this doesn't seem like you Is that, has somebody got a hold of you YouTube channel account? You're sure the player in white could not have Exactly Right.
It's, it's, it's does the, does the other player, does the opponent. Have, have a chance of seeing what's coming and therefore, you know, what we're, we're trying to avoid players like diving and, and, and creating the manufacturing, these, these fouls by tumbling over. And I heard, I heard the arguments, Ernst, I mean, back in the day, like if you heard more mo FTA just absolutely up in arms when, um, I think it was Manpreet went into a slide and Lucas via was running with the ball and Lucas via, you know, sees Manpreet coming and to sort of takes a little bit of a hop, but then he goes diving over and it happened just outside the 23 and Benson gave you the 10 minute y'all card and this was at the 2019 World Cup.
And him and. I can't remember which Ozzie player, like a bunch of them were on social media saying that should not be a yellow card because the attacker, the Argentinian player in this case could have avoided it. And I'm like, wow, that's harsh.
But the point being, even though I disagree with the application, that particular scenario, just from what happened there, the point being if a player can see somebody coming, for example, the player is sliding towards them and the ball is coming and they're like, oh, you know what I might do is I might step in front of this and make sure I intercept
If you have those kind of opportunities, is that as dangerous of a situation that requires a 10 minute yellow card every time? A hundred percent of the time? It's the mandatory thing. It still might be. It still might be. Maybe the slide from the attacker comes at such an angle that the defender doesn't really see it and the ball's coming really fast and blah, blah, blah.
That's different. Then you have the opportunity to, uh, I have to plug my iPad back in again. It's not charging. Um, you might have the opportunity to, to still go for that high penalty. Totally fine. What if they do both Dove for it? I don't know. I don't know. Just gonna say it that way. There you go. Mike's gonna pick up the argument.
Good. You guys, you guys fade it up. Did the actions of Red allow his opponent to legitimately avoid taking the ground? And yeah,
it, but, uh, but it just stating it earth, that's not enough. You have to give me an argument as to why, anytime, whether a player's in possession or not. Anytime it needs to be a 10 I card, you have to show me and I will show you clips. We're friends, like, I'm gonna, uh, we're gonna have a WhatsApp after this and I'll show you clips.
Ernst wear yellow cards are given. And you'll be like, nah, . No way. Right. Because they fulfilled the letter of the briefing.
Ernst has a yellow background. Hmm. But he, I know, I, I know. We're instant. He's not big into umpires, intervening and stuff. He wants umpires to stay out of it. Oh, I know, I know. But it's something to take into account. That when a bunch of top level players are saying, yeah, but if the player in possession of the ball can see the slide coming, should we really be rewarding them for tumbling to the ground?
Like let's listen to that. And I listen when players talk, I don't always agree with them, but I listen. Nah. Consistent with what though? Consistent with what? I don't give a crap about being consistent with the letter of the law. I want consistency with the spirit of hockey and what is fair and what is safe.
That is consistency. Okay, I'm gonna end the poll now that I've had a one person exchange with Ernst for the last little while. If you didn't catch our live stream together, uh, a couple weeks ago now on aerial interceptions. Uh, in the D with David Ames and Bernardo Fernandez of Self Pass and the Portuguese, uh, national team.
You lost out because it was really good. But go catch it on the replay and I'm gonna put a little card up here somewhere so you can find it. Will you shut up? Nah, never. Okay, let's see how the votes are. Oh, I can't believe that. Even, even today, there are 32 of you voting in this poll. Thank you so much.
78% yellow, 10 minutes, 9% for five minute yellow play on 9% and a green 3%. Definitely not green. just can't be green, but I got it. Okay. Thank you so much for that. I'm gonna cut the two minute warning short because I can, and because it's already 2 0 7. I do front load the most complicated and most interesting scenarios at the beginning.
That's my excuse. And I'm s I'm, I'm sticking to this story. Here's topic three, the no goal in Amsterdam.
So I talked about this with, um, Cat and McDowell, and we, we worked through it together, um, a little bit. And the reason that I want to bring this up isn't necessarily because I wanna work in depth through the decision. There's not really a principle involved, but this was the cover, this was the first image on the Instagram post that was put up by icons hockey, which basically it's very sour that it's decided this.
also because we have two points from two games. And then you, you know, you, you swiped right and you, you got to the video that I'm about to show you. Here's the thing, friends, this play did not, whoa. This is the wrong video. Let's do this. This is the wrong video too. Looking for Harvey Does well to keep it in play.
Get himself has to be careful here.
Let's go back to this
Ernst guess who's working in preview mode right now? Yeah, this girl. Cuz for some reason I didn't switch the things. So the pole cat to come up, we can take this one, which is, uh, is this a play on. . Is this a free, is this a penalty corner, a free hit to the defense, or is it a goal? Okay. That's what we're, that's what we're looking at.
How did I miss this whole thing? I don't understand. Okay. Talk amongst yourselves. Here's a topic. Dogs, daughters, and Coffee.
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So as you're starting to vote, get your votes in quickly, and then what I'll do is I'll start pointing out the things that factually, I think apply . Okay. To be fair, when the Dutch translate their word Schweitzer, Something like that. Their dictionaries tell them that the correct word is referee. So I'm not ditching on Dutch people for calling all of us referees.
Okay. We're not doing that. It's just something that we, it's just a cultural thing and we mistranslate stuff into other languages all the freaking time, so let's not be jerks about it. Um, let's see. Oh, Rachel, you changed your mind on that. Okay. That's okay. That's good. Um, yeah, no, I have standards. I have standards.
Okay. Um, refill time. Okay. We'll do that next time where I'll just, I'll play some music. Do, do, do, do. And you can all go get your, your drinks. And so Larry's seeing a stick obstruction and a free hit defense here. Okay, so let's, let's, let's get to this, what we're seeing. So I've slowed this down. Uh, very much Lee.
This is the best angle to see this . Um, or you just see an obstruction. Okay. Obstruction free, hit defense. Gotcha. Okay. Uh, happy three. Mom sees a foot and don't think that quite is it? It looks like it, it goes by the foot, but that is not the decision that was rendered because the timing of the arm and the free hit that goes up is on the contact between the two players, right about.
Okay. You can see the two players that are coming into the picture.
Why do you curse me? It's these two players here.
These two players here. It's a rainbow,
okay? But it's difficult to see. And imagine you're the umpire in this scenario, right? This is what we're all about is, okay, how do I make sure that I get this call right when I'm the one on the pitch? And then you've got the collision that happens. The ball goes by them both in the scenario, and then you have the subsequent follow up play.
Okay, so it's 13 and 16 coming into the picture right here. 13 and 16.
Now, one thing that we can think about, and this is high level stuff, but I want come with me on this, come with me. This is prototypical Dutch hockey. They literally have written a step by step on how to score goals from seven meters and in proximity to the goal. Okay? And the way you do it is that you drive the baseline, the right baseline.
And I call it taking it to church because I'm not gonna start a politic argument. But if you. Dribble down to the right wing end and then you, and you're taking it to church. Okay, so this is what, this is what I, I, I coach is you take it to church and you drive along the baseline and then you slant the ball back because the Dutch know how to score these goals and they know these are two very high level Dutch teams playing each other and they know that this is where the ball's going.
So 13 knows darn well here where this ball is gonna get sent, and so she absolutely is going to move into this space to try to stop this from occurring.
As it turns out, that contact means that she also misses the ball. Okay, cuz there's a little bump back and then this player. Attempts to swing at the ball and misses and happy three. Mom. I think that there, there isn't a foot contact, not for me, because the ball doesn't change direction. Just sneaks right by.
Okay. And then when you watch it in even slower motion as it's coming in, watch where the, when the umpire's first arm comes up, okay, here's the impending contact. We can all see it coming. Here comes 13. I'm gonna take this space. And they're both entitled to cut to this space. At this moment. This is as 50 50 of a 50, 50 can, can 50.
And you can see here the ball hasn't been released yet as the ball's being released. There goes the, the, the whistle towards the mouth. And the arm is already up.
Okay? And because she doesn't have a whistle in her mouth, the way that I advocate, whenever the ball's inside the circle, she puts one of her arms up, she's gonna be calling a free hit. And then she's like, oh, that's the wrong arm. And then she'll whistle, and then she's gotta switch hands and it's awkward.
So just put your whistle in your mouth. It helps you go faster. So she's already made a decision before the second player has the ball. Okay? Already happened. So let's see. Um, can I move the comments to this top? You can't see the action fully
there. I have to move them back down later. Just don't, lemme forget.
Backtick, where do you see a backtick Stijn? Where do you see that? Obstruction from White Advantage played goal. And that's what you're seeing, Simon, and that's okay. No, no, I, I don't, I don't think that's terrible at all. I don't think that's a, a terrible application to this particular scenario. Let me get this running again.
Uh, Brenda, you see, let's see, this isn't coming up. You see the number 16 running into the AM Amsterdam defender, and you see a free hit. So you see the opposite to what, uh, Simon is seeing. And Raj has, uh, review has said, just play on , which is totally fair. Hey, Barry, can you have subtitles? Was, I don't know what the commentator was saying.
I do know what Icon said on the Instagram reel and or the Instagram story and sh. For Simon, correct. Call den Bosch player. Interfered with the defender you? Um, yeah. Well, Simon, that's a whole nother ball of wax, as it were. That's a whole nother kettle of fish. And if I can mix any more metaphors, I absolutely will.
But, um, all about the positioning here, and this is so we can, we can talk about a little bit of a solidity in positioning and about how important I feel it is for umpires to not get too stationary when they get to their happy place. So this is a bit of a fine tuning thing. I like where Mki is very much.
She is, she is in a happy place, but she's also turned and walking towards the goal, looking a bit over her shoulder, which naturally makes it a little bit harder to take in a full periphery of vision. I prefer and I coach that an umpire is standing with their shoulders open to the entire play and letting the play move around them and just pivoting a little bit.
Like, oh, there I am. I got that. I got that. I got all of it. Okay. Because if you are there, you have to do the minimal amount of head moving, which causes you, makes it more difficult for you to see things that are off the ball. Makes it harder for you to see things on the ball cuz the ball's moving fast.
So you want you to be moving as little as possible while the ball and the players are doing all this crazy stuff. And yet providing you yourself with the best angles you can possibly see. So, good point. Viewer tigers, you don't see anything here, Luke, that can constitutes an offense even after the slow mos you vote a play on.
But if there's anything else of note, you're willing to be swayed. Yeah. Okay, let's two minute warning. This. And see what we got. Oof. This is a hard one. This is a hard one. That's the last,
let's see where we're at. We're not getting to rapid fire, you guys. It's just not happening. Friends, we are not firing the rapids today.
That's pretty even free hit defense and play on that is pretty darn even. And for me, if I were to go any way on this, I really respect that the umpire was able to see contact off the ball like that. That's an incredibly dis difficult decision to, to, or incredibly diff difficult. Aspect to see in the game.
Okay. Do I think that it was disadvantageous to the defense in that situation? No. So I see this either as a play on situation because of the two players happily collided with each other. Basically they were both gonna wrestle for the space and it just so happened that they effectively bumped each other off the ball.
And the play could have at that point, continued into whatever eventuality could have eventual whatever it was. Free hit defense was your vote, Larry. And the bump pushed the defender forward. So they were in position first and you see them moving into the same space cap and they both missed, see how I have to move this now?
Now it's in the wrong place there and it's covering up the.
There you go. And we are getting very, very close. You're not wrong. Do you remember that, that time at band camp where we talked about this earlier in the, and the two minute warning is excellent. Okay. Learning points that I want you to take out is the positioning, is the whistle timing, having your whistle in your mouth to make it more possible for you to make a quick and accurate decision in those situations, and the difficulty of seeing off the ball contact.
Okay? Also icons. Don't do that again, or I'm coming for you. All right? I love the stuff you do. I love the fact that you show everybody amazing plays from Dutch, hoofed, CASAA, and other divisions. Don't mess this up. You have power and responsibility. You hear me?
Whichever you go for, says Simon. Need to either call, play on or give a quick whistle. Yep, absolutely. Absolutely. Okay. Number four. Number four. Who knows, maybe this is gonna be appropriately done. This was a question that came up in the server. Very happy to to, to get this one again, Patrick coming up with the great questions with the tags.
Let's go. Okay. 1230 ish and it's a watch star hockey, so he can't YouTube tag it, but he's asking about a particular aerial that was taken and it raised questions for him. This was the England, Germany semi-final or quarterfinal quarterfinal that was just so heartbreaking for English fans. And it looked like, and definitely the commentary on this particular play was I thought that maybe it was an encroachment by the defense.
So I'm not sure why it went, no offense, Charlie Broom. But what you didn't know was this is actually an aerial, we're not even gonna vote on this, cuz I'm just telling you. I'm just telling y'all. This is an aerial free hit that is taken, that goes straight into the circle. Okay? The reason being is that it is legitimately playable inside the circle.
Now, this is a bit of a carryover from the old days when we couldn't receive the ball, we couldn't play the ball above our shoulder. So an AER aerial that was legitimately playable had to be playable at shoulder height. That's why this. This particular phrasing of the rule was still there. Again, we could probably get this rid of this and make it simpler.
By the way, can somebody take notes on this so that I can put this in my file of things to change in the rule book? So you're permitted, you're explicitly permitted under 13.2 F. This isn't a, a condensed version of the clause. I've removed the other clauses. It's permitted to play the ball high above the attacking circle so it lands outside the circle.
That's fine, subject to the rules of dangerous play, and that the ball is not legitimately playable inside or above the circle by another player during its flight, any other player. So that's the free hit. And even though it's not a clean take, this take by bandak means that the ball was legitimately playable inside the circle.
Therefore, It's an improperly executed free hit and the ball needs to be taken back over on the other side. Now, if you are Yeah, might as well. Like in this situation, and the teams are both very happy about where they're taking that free hit from. Are you gonna go, I know the rule better than everybody else.
Take it from over there. Probably not. Okay. But for furthest clarity, if anybody says, but if that was wrongly taken, it has to go f Yeah, it does. The free hit for the defense needs to be taken outside the circle, in line with the defense up to 15 meters from the envelope. There you go.
Probably, it's probably already in my book, Rachel, but I lost it.
Uh, yeah, so that's the last one. Okay. Those were the four that I wanted to get through.
I'm, I'm not gonna rapid fire this. I just feel fortunate that only one of the scenes or one of the clip scenarios was a complete dumpster fire, that the internet was good, that so many of you showed up on a Thursday, which is ridiculous. You're amazing. Thank you so much. Um, I am going to be taking off tomorrow morning to Toronto to, um, the Can Am Indoor series, which feels weird cuz it's so late in the season.
But yes, it's the end of the indoor season in Canada. It is the Canadian men or the Canadian and American senior men under 19 men and under 19 women playing three games against each other, each. And. Yeah, so it's, it's going to be a great experience. I have a nice team of umpires to work with. Alex Miles, Joe wed Rich and PBA from Canada, PBA being the one going to Barbados and Ridge Bear from the US and I have long relationships with all of them.
It's gonna be a really fun experience. I will try to provide some kind of reflections or something cuz it's, this is my first international appointment for quite some time, so I'm honored. I'm really happy that Field Hockey Canada picked me and I'm just always excited that I get a chance to work with good people.
So that's gonna be good. And Raj, I'm thank you for coming. Thank you for being here and contributing as you always do. It's a blast for me if you have not gone into the server and gotten into that. Hot mess of Giffy. Goodness. It's gonna be dope. I am setting the up the Ted Lasso channel today.
Last, last night, yesterday Apple TV started releasing Ted Lasso. We are gonna have a specific channel where we are able to discuss Ted Lasso things. So if you don't want spoilers, you don't go to that channel. You don't even open up that channel. You don't even accept the rule for that channel, and you will be safe from Ted Lasso conversations.
We cannot use gifts that come from this series this season either until we're already there. Okay, Rachel, your umpire this weekend with your coach from a previous game, that's gonna be fun. Okay. Stuff being worked on in your head from today. Alright, that sounds really good. And thank you. Thursdays are great.
Oh, don't start. Don't start. If you, if I have to start thinking about whether I'm gonna change my lives from day, it's gonna. I cannot make any more decisions than I already am. Uh, thank you for the what up Thursday and great discussions as always. And Barend, I'm glad you were here and Ian, okay. And Boo says thanks and a shame there's no Achilles more Keely Fridays at ct.
Well, you're just, you're just gonna have to tell Coach Paul that y'all want me back and we'll hang out, but hopefully Simon. So I'm coming over to the uk, um, bookending, the eh l and I'm trying to fit in how I can hang out in Cambridge for a day or something. So stay tuned cuz it would be really nice to meet you and meet Boo because Boo is always participating in the chats, which I really appreciate.
So that'll be all 13th Thursdays Stop it. Stop it. Alright, have a and the Beatles Sunday is coming. I can't wait to hear all that. Rachel prefers Wednesdays. So see you. See what you started. You see what you've started. People are gonna start voting. I did that for the Olympics and that almost killed me.
David almost killed me. I did a live stream every morning after watching all the games. Produced a show, executed a show, and then went and slept all afternoon for four hours and then I got up and I did it again.
That is a nightmare. There you go. And Larry's still on a 10 minute. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Definitely a 10 minute. Okay, thanks everybody. Uh, hopefully my buttons are gonna work. We'll see you in the server. Be awesome.
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