Live Q&A #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 113

📅 Mar 22 19.00 GMT
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Have you ever wanted to find out what happens when a coach who's a little feisty with umpires picks up a whistle themselves? We're talking to Jaco Botha today, a new umpire who has done just that! Join in as we chat about what motivated him to join the #thirdteam and what he's learned so far.

We also have a smattering of penalty corner and aerial scenarios, and just a super chill announcement about something something, FHumpires providing the umpiring team at the EHCO U19 Tournament, something. No big whup.

See you there!

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⏱ Chapter Markers:
00:00 Chair Dancing!
02:30 The Reluctant Umpire: Jaco Botha
48:17 1. EHCO Trophy
53:06 2. KZ Pinoke GK Tackle
01:12:37 3. Penalty Corner 1st Shot Hit At Height
01:21:46 4. Aerial Interception Fail
01:30:29 5. This Tackle Tho

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Happy What Up Wednesday to you all, I'm so excited that you are joining us today because I've got a special treat. This is something I really should be doing so much more. And, but when this opportunity came up, I just couldn't resist. There was just no way that I couldn't have some words with this fine human being that I'm gonna be bringing on the screen in just a moment.

So thank you to everybody who's filed through the chat and made some comments and said, hi. Uh, you're awesome. And I, we're gonna do things a little differently today because I'm gonna talk to our guest and then I'm gonna do some announcements and then go through some clips. So like, try to adapt, okay.

Like this is not just a formulaic thing. We are moving, we are moving with the times. But I did wanna blow my air horn because I believe that Shark Savage, welcome. Nice to see you. I think this is the first live stream you commented on, so I'm glad you're here. Thanks for popping in And, oh look, I think, I think this is a fan.

I think this is a fan. This is awesome. Okay. So a few weeks ago I had, uh, our guest reach out to me on Messenger, and it was just, he, he wrote so much text, which usually I'm like, but within a few seconds I was just riveted. And he told a story and then he made me cry. So I realized I had to get revenge on him and bring him on the show.

So, without further ado, everyone, please warm. Welcome to Jaco . Here he is. Wait, confetti.

Oh, such a goofball. And we're just gonna let it keep falling. Let it keep falling. Yeah. How are you tonight? At least it's tonight. You were talking think right? I'm, yeah.

Now I'm, I'm doing well. New.

Yeah, I'm doing fantastic and I'm so glad that you agreed to come on . I know this is a, like one of those things that you think, wow, what the hell am I doing here?

But trust you are with friends and I wanna make sure everybody in the comments says hi. I want them to let you know that they appreciate that you're taking the time to come out and talk to us because I think we have a ton to learn from you about recruiting umpires and how to assimilate them into the Borg.

I mean, make them feel comfortable and encourage them to keep going. So why don't you tell us about you in hockey. Where do you, where do you hockey, what have you hoed before and sort of lead us up to the moment where you got involved with Elpar?

Okay. So basically I play for Harlequins, the masters men's team, uh, plus 35s.

And um, yeah, basically started when I was at school. You know, it was one of those things where I actually. applied to play hockey, cuz I thought it was ice hockey, but it wasn't. We started playing and um, yeah, I started enjoying it, playing club, playing for my high school teams and, um, from there, yeah, I just grew

Mm-hmm. . That's, that's awesome. So you started in high school, you've done, you, you're doing masters playing now, but when, when we started talking, you were talking about how you're really primarily a coach. So tell me about your experiences as a coach in the game and what kind of, what kind of coach are you on the sidelines?

Tell us more about that.

Don't, don't hold back. Don't hold back. Nobody's gonna be mad at you. Like, just, just be honest. Be.

Well basically, um, started coaching just to get out cuz I mean research psychologist. So I sit at home all day reading and writing and wanted to get rid of vitamin D and stuff. So decided let's go coach. And um, started coaching and then friends of mine said, you know, please come coach as a club cause we don't like a coach.

I decided well let's go do that. Started coaching and from there sort of started. Yeah, I just grew from there. First year we played club. We won the league. Um, well they won the league. I just got the credit for it, . And um, basically from there I just started studying the rules cause I wanted to criticize FHumpires cause it was one of those things.

And um, so I was the type of coach where I wouldn't yell at my players. I was very. Com collected, but I would crucify on par. Like, you know, if, if you get best things wrong, you would know. And, um, the issue was, I, I knew my rules, so I was fairly , you know, what, what should be done and stuff. So it was, so I was actually one of those asshole coaches that criticizes everything you do.

And, um, so from there, a friend of mine cause was coaching at the school and, um, she basically said, well, if you think you can do it better, why don't you do it? And being bit arrogant, I thought, yeah, why not? Let me do it. And we go do it better than she did. Cause uh, and my defense, she, she kind of missed everything.

But I wasn't that type of coach that would focus on my team. I would focus on the field. Like if you missed something for my team, obviously you would know. But if you missed something for their team, like if it was a shortly against us, you would know there was a stroke against us, you would know. And, um, I guess it was a bit intimidating cause I'm six five, so Impath didn't take well for me to stand next to the fi and do everything I know I should not do.

And, um, knowing the rules, they just, they, they knew there was sort of substance behind my criticism. Cause I wouldn't criticize, like, ah, yeah, there was a foot, I would criticize her, but that's another head. That's the opposing team's, Paul. And so I was, I was that coach . And then, like I said, they challenged me and said, if you think you can do it better do it.

So I started and yeah, from there, here I am.

Okay. Tell me about your first experiences umpiring, because this literally was months ago, like just recently. It's not like we're talking about five years ago. You literally picked up the whistle weeks ago, right?

No Well, I see actually Kathleen is here. It's, it's her fault.

Um, so basically I love it. Yeah, I see the pink wave. Um, yeah, I was actually IED two matches, so I applied cause I had to rewr, I wrote a exam, which isn't in my opinion, a very thorough exam, but I wrote it like seven times. Um, and I had to rewrite it cause I never applied for the certificate to say that you passed the, the, the damn thing.

So rewrote it. Um, and actually Michelle trained me and um, then I had two matches and then Kathleen's like, okay, Yako, would you like to go to A I P T? I'm like, what title is an I P T? Okay, it's an Interal tournament. You go and umpire kids. It's like, okay, so it's a holiday. And she said yes. Off I went . So it was the first tournament and um, it was actually less than a year ago.

It was June or July, I think it was June. Um, you can't really tell if it was winter cuz it's, It's Durban, so it's like 30 degrees in the winter. Um, and basically that's it. , I started, started with the league and the Northerns Blue League and, um, still going strong, I guess at a tournament this weekend where Kathleen was actually the first time I saw her angry.

But anyway, that's a topic of another

for another night. Oh my goodness. Um, I, Kathleen DM me, I wanna hear all about this tea. Okay. Yeah. Don't say but,

okay. Anyway. Okay. Um, so yeah, that's, that's basically it. I just, um, and that's, that's why I got the fh, FHumpiring, uh, channel was in preparation for this, cuz this is sort of who I am as a person, I guess. Um, I don't like to. Approach, something unprepared like two matches and then after a tournament.

That's not really, yeah, that's not really how it goes. So I binge watched this, this channel and um, like you asked me if I played it on two times or four times, no speed. I was one time and I was just watching everything and I think like watched 10 days straight, um, nonstop and then was like sort of prepared for the tournament and then it was an interesting experience.

Yeah. That's amazing. So, I mean obviously that was one of those things that you mentioned that absolutely flabbergasted me. I. I mean, I always, I hope that people watch, I hope that they learn things and they stop in. And I know we have a, you know, you've been seeing their names coming through the comments for the last several minutes and we've got an incredible group of people who show up and show up and show up and show up, which just is always a surprise.

But when I hear of somebody who I haven't necessarily seen in the chat, you don't have any excuses now. You have to be in the chat. But, well, I'm glad that you watched all of these streams and you actually got some, you know, lots of value out of it is just, I mean, it meant so much to me that you reached out and, and let me know.

So thank you very much for that. I want you to talk about the actual tournament now. So you've done all this preparation, you're at the IPTs. Let's go cuz I have the confetti ready. Okay, let's go.

I'm assuming Sharks ages is Grand Williams cuz he was the umpire manager there. Oh, nice. Quite a character. So, so we obviously driving from Victoria to to Durban is, is in a bus.

It's not the most pleasant thing cause you have like 22 teenagers who re of uh, the other, anyway, And um, so you get on the bus and you drive and it's, you know, it's, it's, it's not a bad experience, but it's, it's not pleasant. Cause they, they can't shut up. Trying to read my book. Couldn't happen anyway, so we get there.

Beautiful school, it's, it's like really it's, it's like an amazing school, private school. I think it's like top three most expensive schools. But anyway, so you get there and then you meet all the other FHumpires and it was an interesting experience. Antisocial I guess. But you know, greet them, talk to them.

And immediately for me, I'm like bit uncomfortable cause I know, okay, I've got two matches on my belt at to tournament and listen to all these guys talking. It's like, uh, I'm, I'm not in the right space. Find my wife. I'm like, uh, she, I shouldn't be here. And then we have the whole opening ceremony. We have an MPAs meeting.

And um, then it got real cuz then he's ville setting, like he's a short guy, but he's like, um, not, no disrespect for Ville, but he's, he's big and he starts talking and doesn't show up and he talks so quickly. Keeping up with him was sort of like challenge. And he asks, so, so he goes around and he asks, okay, let's talk about experience.

How many games have you umpired? How many games have you umpired? And goes through the group and everyone's like, no, I've vampire Premier League of Vapid, um, second men's league and stuff. And I'm sitting there, I'm like, ah, shit. , I can't say I part two games. So I sitting go, I've untied a few, a few matches and he's like, okay.

So he starts talking, okay, let's, let's talk about stuff. Cause obviously it's under the 14 boys, so you can't, we have to keep them safe. Let's mm-hmm. , let's deal with few things like the overheads and the, um, cuz they want a show boat. So let's, let's deal with it. This is how we're going to approach it.

This is how we're going to ensure their safety. Cause obviously parents would like it if they, if you have to pick up their kids' teeth from the turf. So, okay. That's the thing. And then you use like, like where do you stand on the 16? Free out. And it's like, everyone makes a decision. I'm sitting there, I get all of them wrong, you know, he asks questions and I'm like, I'm dead in the water.

So, so he puts me first game. He is the, he's next to the field with two ums. And, um, first game goes and I'm like shitting bricks. I phone my wife off the meeting like, oh no, I shouldn't be crying, walking to the dorm, trying to sleep and I'm so nervous. First game and it sort of goes ago. He gives me a compliment, which apparently is weird, so I dunno what to make of it.

Day one goes past and then it's like, okay, meeting again, like Nerf starts sort of settling Cause um, it was, it was okay, you know, it, I didn't know how to feel about it, but it was, it was getting there. I was sort of building my confidence. And then day two, it's, it's sort of, you know, these people I thought cause cause for me it's like I come to a field and I'm the least experienced there.

So you sort of assume the lesser umpire role. , yeah. And then after a few, few matches, I started realizing, but irrespective of my. Experience. I'm, I'm getting the calls right, I'm getting the, the hard calls right. Um, gave the first card so I had to get a fine for that. But it was the right call. , he deserved the card.

And then from there was just building, building, building and confidence, started building and stuff. So I started enjoying it actually. Um, I had a stomach bug, so couldn't run a lot and I was crucified for that. But , it's okay. And then, yeah, few things I had to work on. Apparently I don't have the nicest, most approachable face in Ampire, but it's one of those things.

Um, so parents complain about this little bit of mini empire guy. Um, and the kids were scared as well, cause. . When I made a call, he would run to me like, uncle, what's that for? A look at him. And he's like, oh, sorry sir. I, I didn't mean to, I just wanted to know what, what, what, what was wrong. And it's like, um, look, if you're coming to me, approach me, it's fine.

Ask me. I need to justify my calls. And started building relations and they started getting a little bit more comfortable with me, which was cool. Yeah. And um, so from there it was just, it was nice. And then for some, uh, weird reason, they gave me the final and, um, we never played it. Cause the South halting did something, I'm not sure what I'm allowed to say, but they did something and they left.

So they, we never played the final, but I got the water, the final and um, yeah, I guess I'm part of the tournament. Cause the other guy who got the final was like level one and had a lot of experience and I'm the newbie. Yeah. So from two games to, to, um, amper of the tournament type of deal. So , it was fun. I enjoyed it.

It was. Stressful. But I think, yeah, I think the hard would pay off. Um, and that's, I think that's basically the story. There are a lot of things we can say and if Grandma's has something to say, ignore him. He's just over exaggerating or the bad.

I don't think that's what's happening in the chat, but just, I just wanna make sure everybody home heard what the man said.

First of all, shark Savage saying, you know, giving you kudos for all you're caring. And it was all that hard work. You went from two games to umpire the tournament IPTs. So now we're gonna have to confess.

I, I was just like, this is just such an amazing story and it's not because winning things is amazing, but as you were talking about how you went through all of the. You know, the, the preparation, the matches and, and, and telling your story, listening to you. Even I could see it on your face as you were talking.

I was feeling more confident and I was realizing I was doing a good job and I could see you sort of picking up and that's really nice. Like that, that's the, that's the most rewarding part, right? For, for anybody to, to talk about. So just, yeah. Incredible start. What was the thing that surprised you the most about on paring?

What, what Really? You went, I wasn't prepared for this. I didn't know that this was how I was gonna feel or how things were gonna be. What, what was it that really surprised you?

I think for me it was like, like I said, I knew the rules, you know, I mean, I had to know them cause I wanted to criticize umpires and let them make them feel like this big.

Um, so I had to know the rules and I knew, but to sort of apply them was, was something entirely different. And it was, it was something you used to, like as a, as as a coach, I would stand there and I would focus on, cause now obviously you're focusing on what, what your team's doing. You, you need to remember, okay, what, what do we practice?

What, what was our main, um, goal in this? What, what do we want to achieve this match? And what do we want to like, take away from this match? And they have all these things going with them now. And then you would think, I, lemme focus on the rules. Cause now I need to be an asshole to, to the umpire. Cause I want to intimidate him and maybe get a few calls my way and then who knows, maybe get a win.

And as an umpire it was, you have to, you engaged the whole time. There was no. There was, there was not. One second you, you weren't engaged. Right. Even if the ball's on the, on, on your, on, let's say when you are the disengaged, it's still you need to focus cause you still need to go and ensure they're giving the right calls.

I do. Cause, cause at the end of the day, all everyone wants is just for you to do your job. Yeah. And um, get, get it right because that, that's what they all deserve. And um, especially like coaches who go ballistic you, you never like realize coach is so under pressure as well. Cause you don't wanna get a call wrong, but he doesn't want to get a call wrong either.

Cause his wrong call is, he loses the matching. That's not good for anyone's ego. So it's just one. Yeah. It's just, it was for me, like a total mind shift from , just chilling there, watching hockey and then changing a few things. Screaming at people, screaming at ampire now and then into actually being. The person who has to make the calls, ensure the safety of players, ensure the flow of the game, ensure the proper, proper hockey just

happens.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, um, you're, you're getting a lot of props. Obviously Kathleen's in here, very, very happy that she was a part of it. And, you know, Luke recognizing one opportunity you had. Hey, everybody in the chat, like if you have a question for Jaco, this is a really good time to find out what a converted coach is thinking and what's important to them.

And any secrets, now's the time. Like, let's, let's ring everything we can out this guy. Um, and sure. Mr. Demmon here, as he always does, recognizing the bigger lessons in all of this about, you know, there's a crossover of skills between everything that we do and discipline and that sort of thing. And you, you have a background in, in Psyche that.

I, I'd love to get into a little bit. What do you think that really helped you bring into your umpiring?

Well, I think the thing about that sort of sets me, set me apart as a coach in umpire is just the, the way you sort of view things. I think for me it's like, um, like I say, I don't mind Anka coach that sort of has an issue with how I am. Cuz I know he's under pressure. I know he or she is under pressure and I know, I know how it was being there.

Like you think, okay, I come to a field, I am an hour or so and then I'm done. For him it's like, oh, for the coach. It's like, it was weeks, months of prepping for this match. Yeah. And there was sort of calls I had to make in preparation for this, which, the right or wrong. And um, for me it's like I always had the.

Mindset of, okay, but how is what they're doing intended How is what I'm doing being helpful to them or to the team or to hockey? Because um, remember there are about 22 players on the field and then let's say two or three subs. So that's what, 23, 24 people And let's say, let's say 25 for coaching managers and stuff.

Um, my math is failing anyway. 20 20, 26 people on a field. Yeah, social scientists, .

Exactly. Lawyer.

And it's a thing where all of them have a history. All of them brought them to the specific point in time at this field. And you have a responsibility towards them and to yourself to be the best you can. Um, in order to like, sort of play hockey win at the end of the day.

And I think, yeah, God remembers your question, , but,

um, you, I think you're, you're, you pretty much answered it, so, um, just Oh, cool. Bringing in that mental approach, I think. Yeah, absolutely. The, here's a really interesting question from, uh, rich Dunmore here. How would you as an umpire manage you as a coach?

Oh, punch me in

the face.

that's not the right answer,

you said, said honest. And, um, I think the few black belts I have is, is quite beneficial to the punching part. Um, like, I mean, like this weekend we had a, we had. A school that was kind of interesting. Um, and like their, their coach was so annoyed with me. Cause I think it was, I think it was a bit harsh.

Like both times, two teams, four and sixteens, both of the coaches are the same team and parents mm-hmm. Weren't quite happy with my own pro. But like I say, I, I get it. I think it was too, too strict with the shielding and obstruction rules. And the next time I didn't do my part as a, as a, um, umpire to, to check the ball out of the dean.

My car umpire called me over and say, listen, I, I don't think it was up. So I'm like, okay, well it's fine. So I would handle or manage me as a coach. I would, firstly, the most important thing is like, never to let them know they're getting under your skin. Like, that's it. Like the, the guy was complaining, so what do I do?

Go balls in, in his D So I just run along cuz he's standing like next to the field. Okay, go stand next to him. So being six five, it's obviously beneficial for me cuz it's like elbow height and you're not gonna intimidate me. It's fine. Same with the parents. I know it's not the question, but I'll address that as well.

Cause the next game was the parents were like, crucifying me. Like, oh, like have it on video. The ball was out, the ball wasn't out. But anyway, and just go stand next to them. Listen to them. Ah, okay. Okay. Stand there. Smile at them. So for me, I would think our management, like how I manage them was okay, you can give me look just like, okay, thank you coach, you can relax.

Continue. Fine. Manager, manager, coach. I'm not going. I'm managing the game. You manage got, yeah. And um, so to be fair, I would say yeah, just don't let the coach know. He's. Getting under your skin cuz then you're putting the power in his hands and yeah, that's something as a coach, I always try to, to, to determine, you know, you can see if you getting under the skin of an ampire, cuz you would just start shouting the right calls and you start seeing how they start doubting themselves and whatever.

You start calling something, he blows it, even if it's right or not. So easy one for you. But ,

I love that. No, and that strategy of, of not being physically, uh, intimidated or chased outta spaces because you don't wanna go near the person or people who are confronting you and aggressive and just being calm and having that smile on your face at times.

Not, you know, you're not gonna stand there and grin like an idiot, but just to be like, all right, I hear you. And to show that it's not bothering you. I love that tip. That's, that's awesome. Kathleen's got a question for you here. She wants to know how you're managing umpiring as well as being father of twins.

How do you do it?

Well, I have a wife. I don't deserve . Aww.

What? Ah,

it's, it's just the truth. Like they, they're cuddling now tonight and stuff, but, um, like it's, it's hard. Like, I think the thing is like I wanted to obviously be a better father, so I played hockey and do sports and stuff and just don't have a man cave.

Cause I don't want one. Cause whenever I'm at home I want to be with my kids. Mm-hmm. . So I do hockey and I do umpire cause I enjoy it. And because I want to wonder if my kids want to play hockey, be part of the union and develop hockey and pretor and stuff. So that's also why I became an umpire. So I think how I manage it, I say try and be as engaged as I can when I'm home.

Yeah. And then bringing them along every now and then with, to the field. Cause I mean, obviously they can get into spaces we can't get into otherwise. So then have nice playing areas like it's so bounds. Thank you Kathleen, for the Sunday Masters, ladies matches, . So I think, I think it's just, yeah, you, how, how you would manage like having a day job, I guess and having

kids.

Yeah. Oh, I love it. All right. Nick's got a good one here for you. Do you think that coaching has influenced your umpiring more or is it the other way around that your umpiring is going to actually influence your coaching?

I, I think it's yes to both. I think obviously your coaching has influenced my umpiring cause I see it from a different perspective.

Like I say, I, I understand what, as a, as a coach, you're approaching the field and you're trying to sort of, cause you can't always go and see a team play beforehand. So you need to like estimate how they're going to play and try and develop your players, um, skills accordingly to obviously when, so, and I think the same, if I had to go back to coaching now, I would definitely.

Uh, I don't know. It would be like something new. I would definitely not be the same. Also, I was, um, although I would be, I'll just manage myself better, but I think, I think it was just like, I, I think for me it was just like understanding both roles and I, and so I think that's how it influence that.

Getting to see both sides. Yeah. And, um, having sympathy and, um, a bit more patience for both. Okay.

So question from me is, I'm wondering, it's not all sunshine and roses. What is the part about umpiring that you thought, uh, I don't like this part. Now, obviously you're completely in love with the vocation, and you're one of us now, but if there's like one thing that you're like, ah, this part really kind of bites, what, what would you say that is?

I could have a lay monster, but it would definitely be the heat. Like I think it was like 36 or 38 this, this weekend. And you know, the turf was so hot, my knees and ankles were killing me like this. Long, short, I mean this black pants and stuff, and the African sun is just, it's, it's, it's bad. Yeah. But I, I don't know.

I think, I think the one thing I don't enjoy is, is ending sort of, you know, I would love to like, I'm by the whole day, but you can't, it's just too, it's just too much. But I don't think it's actually one thing I don't like. I think I like everything of it, but I think it's just sort of an how I view it and the attitude towards it.

Like, I love work and like if you see it as work and working or doing something you like, so actually don't know. What I would say is something I don't like. I don't, I don't like the question.

That's it. Alright. Alright, so you don't like dumb questions. That's fine, that's fine. I just wanted to see if there was anything you trip up.

But, but, but what you've illuminated is that it is a physically demanding activity. It's not something that you can just, you don't just casually go out there and, you know, you have to look after your hydration, you have to take care of your body, you have to be in shape, you have to um, you have to look after your mental approach.

Like, it's, it's not just, nah, I just rock up to the field and it's all fine. So that's, that is a really nice, um, that is a really nice thing to react to. And of course here's Denman saying if you, if you'd like to get into some cooler climbs, there are areas in the world that you can come to, you know, you can go to the UK and, and get zero degrees and that sort of thing.

And cats agreeing too. I don't know if you know Catto, but she is a South African who's currently in the Netherlands. So she's struggling with the winter over there for sure. So, . The last thing I wanted to run by you because mm-hmm. , obviously you're just, you're fresh into the experience and you've made this transition.

What do you think we as an umpire community could be doing better to make it possible or make it friendlier or a more fun experience for coaches to get into umpire? What, what do you think we could do better with that? Uh,

I think it would be like person specific. Um, I, I don't think you really gonna get coaches to umpire much.

I think, I think if you're coaches some, the aspect of hockey you really enjoy, I mean, it's like you're managing people but you're also building a relationship with them. And I think the thing about coaching I liked was sort of getting everyone focused and that was, cuz coaching is actually just about managing people.

And I think that's sort of why I did it. Semi decently. Cause our first year we, we won the league, but it wasn't, um, it wasn't because of me, it was just because of, I had installed upon these ladies the, the illusion that, that they could win. Um, I think the first time I actually thought we could win was, you know, when we win the final and we were playing our own club and we were playing juniors.

So it's easy, you know how to approach playing juniors, you just go to a shootout and beat them by experience. And that's what we did. Cause that was the game plan. And um, but I think, I think the thing where we can do is just sort of get them to respect hockey and from there, get them to respect each and every individual's role in hockey.

Uh, cuz I think the thing that got me is, like I say, was a measure of arrogance for them to say, if you think you can do it better, you can go ahead and try. It's like, I'll do. It can't be that hard. Uh, little did I know. But anyway, so I think for me, like you'll have to determine, or assess the person individually.

Um, but I think, I think it's a thing where if you respect hockey, you'll respect the roles you individual. As, you know, you can't be a player your whole life. Um, and you can't be a coach all life if you can't go out at night and coach, go on bar. I don't know. That's what I did. But it's, it's a hard question.

It's not, I think, I don't think there's like one universal answer. I think it's sort of a, you need to, I don't know. I think we should focus on getting younger people to sort of accept that, you know, you can either play, you can number, I don't know. It's, it's, I think it's also like a, you need, we need to change our attitude towards it.

Um, Because it's one thing to like play. You have like 10 or 20 decisions to make you active. Like let's say whole cha, the whole cha, you play like nonstop, but that's it. Whereas there all day and how long you're sitting there engaged the whole time doesn't matter. You are there and it's like, it's how you win the game is everybody walks off the field happy, everybody walks off the field, you know, intact.

There's no one bleeding, there's no one, you know, needing hospitalization or anything. So I think it's like we just need to change our attitude towards how we view things. Yeah, yeah. If that makes sense.

Oh yeah. Total sense. And when you, when you talked about. You talked about individuals and how you as an individual reacted really positively to the challenge.

I was exactly the same way Yahoo when, when I was approached to actually become an umpire after I finally scored a goal at our national championships. First time I'd ever scored. And literally I'm walking off the pitch and some guy in trousers walks up to me, dunno who he is, and he says, you know, you need to be an umpire.

And I'm like, and then he says, you'll be better than the person that was just umpiring a game. And I'm like, tell me more about my ego. And I just, I loved it. I ate it up. And it's, it's acknowledging that there's work to be done. Not in just saying, Hey, everybody come umpire. But we get to know individual people.

We get to know the people in our community and find out. What makes them tick. Maybe they wanna be part of a team that, you know, wears funny clothes sometimes, but absolutely loves to hang out together and are super unified. Maybe some people are attracted with the challenge the way that you are and the way that I was, that, that challenge to be, to be better.

So I think that's probably, I, I think that's the biggest thing that I would take out of this, is that we can be better in looking at individuals and picking them out. Because you were approached, you were identified, Kathleen, and, and the others said, yeah, come here, get in my van. And all of a sudden you were going to IPTs and winning on part of the tournament and getting appointed to the final and all that stuff.

So I, I really love that. I love that. Um, Kat's just talking here about how, uh, how it takes so much support, some structure and some gs. I don't know what GS are, but Okay. That must be courage. To become an umpire. Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. I love that. Well, Jaco, thank you so much for coming on and sharing this story with us because it's great to hear good news about umpiring and great to hear your story and your success.

And I can't wait to see you on the server a lot more. Okay. I'm not gonna , I'm not gonna bug you too much about that. I know you're busy, but would love to see you around and you know, let everybody get to know you and keep extending the support because we appreciate that you have joined our community and that you're one of us now.

So, congratulations. I love that.

Thank you. And thank you for having me. I think it's, uh, I was a p to, to share the story. I don't think it's like my right best privilege. So thank you. And, uh, thank you for your adrenaline. Thank you for your sport and everybody who contributes to this. Thank you.

Yeah. That's fantastic.

Thanks a lot Jaco, and we'll catch up again soon. Bye. Sure. There we are. Wow. Uh, I've, I've not done an interview in the middle of a or at the early part of a show before, so I hope you enjoyed that. I hope that you learned a lot. I sure did. Um, there were parts of that story I hadn't heard, even though Yahoo and I've had spoken, you know, quite a bit and he'd made me cry in several messages, not just a few.

So hopefully that, uh, that got us, got, got everybody through and yes. Um, Kathleen, I wanna say thank you for being a part of getting Jaco where he is, you know, and a huge part of that and everybody else in that local essay community because, We do it together, we do it as a tribe. So thank you so much for that , and I'm seeing all the thank yous there.

Yep. Thanks for sharing your story. And Luke saying Thank you. One of us, one of us . That's awesome. I, I assume, oh, you're, that was, you sing. You're welcome, welcome. I'll, I'll translate that at some point. There you go. Okay. So I'm gonna get into the topics, uh, for the clips and such today, but we do have some announcements.

Uh, a few things that I want to mention first of all, and the first thing is, Uh, hey friends, when I, when I go to this screen, I'm gonna do this right of hope and, oh, there you go. An encoding cat. Okay. First thing is, hey friends, guess what? This guy, this guy over here just got assessed for his level three M p a, and he passed and he is now an M P A B panel.

Mr. McDowell, congratulations. I'm just soaking this in. I'm feeling the confetti love, so very exciting. And hello friend. Good to see you too. Um, you don't have to vote. As soon as you entered , you're saved. You're saved. So I, I don't know what else I can say about Mike because he is just such a hardworking person.

He is always in the server. He's always answering questions and he's not just, he's not just helping. He's learning the process. He's studying, he's practicing the ways that he sees me sometimes if I'm doing it right, trying to, trying to teach and to engage in conversations. And he's a big part of that.

He's a big part of why I am where I am with FH Empire. So congratulations to Mike and all that. So, good job. Good job. Whitey. Is that where we're gonna, that might, that might go poorly. Let's see. I, I have to change the overlays cuz this isn't, this isn't quite where it needs to be. Because the text is over top.

But yeah, we have to be very careful about how we pronounce that. I'm just saying, there we go. There is cake, there is hockey, there is champagne here from uh, Sebastian. So thank you. Absolutely smashing it. Agree, agree, agree. There we go. Okay. Um, another great chunk of news that I can announce is that this fine human being has only just decided that she's gonna join FH U three T yellow.

Ellen, welcome to the team. Welcome to the Jam. I am very glad to have you and Ellen and I have been having some really nice DM conversations because like, I don't want the guys to be jealous and stuff, but let's face it, I am so, I feel so strongly about my role in being able to mentor. Female umpires and I will go through the wall to make sure that they know they're supported and that they are a huge part of the future success of this sport and of us culturally.

Like it's not just about the sport, it's about everything. So Ellen, thank you for putting your faith in us as a community and joining in us and I can't wait to get to work with you and all that stuff. And there we go. Wii, O Oh yes. I think Wii o's better Wado work. Much better. Okay. Um, just a couple little things.

Um, I, I don't know. We were doing numbers last week and I didn't even check this one or maybe I checked it and I wasn't there anyway. Broke 4,000 Twitter followers.

Not bad. Excited to follow up on the GoFundMe from last week. Uh, this fund here, I took this screenshot just maybe an hour ago or something like that, blasted through the goal, the remainder of the funds and anything else that happens to float in, uh, will be going to the officials, the, the tech officials committee, technical and officiating committee.

I can't remember what the full name of it is. Um, so, uh, that will be an opportunity to mitigate all of the, uh, upcoming costs for people in going to tournaments, uh, and such when Field Hockey Canada maybe hasn't rearranged their priorities sufficiently so that they are funding the umpires the way that they're supposed to.

That's all I can say about that. I, I, I'm so pleased that the community pitched in. Like, it warms the cockles of my heart, but it frustrates me to no end that we had to do it. So mixed feelings. I, I just have mixed feelings. What can I say? There you go. John Tudor. Hi. Welcome. I'm glad you're here. And the last little piece of update I wanted to tell you is, um, yes, we did.

Yes, we did like that. And wait in the confetti. I wasn't there for the whole weekend. Uh, I wasn't there on the final Sunday because I was in Toronto doing the Canam indoor series as an umpire manager. But for the first time that I ever, ever remember, and I've been playing Phoenix for 35 years now. It's a long time.

Do the math. 35 years and we won all three divisions in indoor. So I'm so proud of this group. I'm actually gonna, I'm gonna take a, um, I'm gonna make a short out of this and put it on the Instagram meals for the, for the ladies to congratulate them, congratulate us, and to many more. We have a fun club.

It's a competitive club and we've got a really fantastic bunch of humans. So congratulations to us and I get to do this cuz this is my show. Ha ha. There you go. There you go. Okay, let's get to this, Irene, welcome. And you're interested in umpiring. Oh my God, so am I. So let's hang out. If you don't know about our discord server, make sure you come over fh FHumpires dot com slash.

Ds. And don't worry, don't worry. Discord is not scary. If you've never done it before, it's going. It's, it's a great place to hang out. We have amazing people and we want to absorb you in this big community hug. So please come and join us. Love that you're in Kenya. And I have, did I get to go? I didn't get to go to Kenia, but I, I did get to umpire with some Kennan folks.

So, um, you know, warm welcome, warm welcome, Gotham City best team. Uh, maybe, but not today, Satan. Not today. Today. Phoenix rules the day. Okay, here's our topics. Did I get through all the things? I got through all the things. Okay. Topics that we're gonna work through quickly because , we're gonna talk about the E H C O trophy, a goalkeeper tackle, and we're gonna talk about a penalty corner, first shot at height and aerial interception fail.

And this tackle though emoji shrug because honestly, you'll know, you'll know when we get there. Okay. Let's get this party started. The E H C O trophy. Is this a clip? No, it's not a clip, but you know what, I'm pretty freaking excited. This is our official announcement if you haven't seen it on the socials yet.

I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm getting enveloped by the E H C O hockey Jam. They are , they are ready to go. So I'm getting, I'm getting added and a whole bunch of stuff. The EH c o is the European Hockey Clubs Association, which has the mandate of helping to promote European club hockey and protect it and make sure it works well in conjunction with the international schedule, with international priorities and make sure it stays strong and continues to grow the way that it does.

Promoting the outdoor and indoor formats of the game or the elevens, hockey elevens as they right with rightfully describe it. And indoor hockey, which could be the sevens or the sixes, sorry, , some girl made a little slip there. And um, and also focusing on overall club development. So I am super proud to announce that they are running an under 19 tournament that is gonna be running alongside the E H L.

Oh my God. Who else is going to the E H L? This group of folks. So we have been talking about how we're going over to the eh l as a development group for a number of weeks now, and what just kind of happened just sort of randomly, because Kat put it out into the universe and it came back like four days later.

Not only have we been asked to provide a couple of umpires for this under 19 tournament, but they have decided to just turn over the whole umpire in shebang to us. So I'm going to be umpire managing the tournament and uh, and making appointments and supports and working with the tournament director.

Fio. Can't wait to meet you on Friday. Hi. And yeah, it's gonna be amazing. So, ah, This is happening. Okay. So this is part of going to be part of our entire development project at the E H L. We're gonna be moving in between the two tournaments and doing things all over the place. I am gonna be a little more stretched than I even imagined.

I'm probably not gonna be partying as much as I thought I might have been , but that is okay. And yeah, it's gonna be incredible. So there's, there's four teams on each side, uh, men's and women's. And there's, uh, one Dutch, one German, one Spanish, and a Belgian team on each side. So really cream of the crop for under 19 players.

And, you know, you know, there are gonna be players in here who are either current international players or about to be. So it's gonna be a very high level competition. Very, very exciting. So, I, I guess the, the thing that I have to say is, first of all, thank you to E H C O for putting your faith in us as an, as a community.

Um, make sure you go follow them. That's the Twitter, uh, E H C O, hockey, all one word. And then their Instagram, they're, they just started, just started their things. So make sure you go follow so you can see everything that they're doing and follow their whole mandates. And I wanna say a big thank you.

Because I had always dreamt of going to e H L. I'd always dreamt of, you know, running some kind of development thing, but it was you as a community. It was you who pushed me, who insisted. And I mean, between Kat, Mike, and so many other people helping with the organization, I, I wouldn't have done it without you.

And I'm doing it with you and I'm doing it because of you. So thank you for that. Thank you for everything. There's gonna be a lot of things to share in the next few weeks, so I hope you're ready. We're gonna be talking e h c in under nine in e h l all day, every day. So there you are. That's the news. I, I should have showered confetti again, but maybe I'll, maybe I'll just do this and I'll just Can't hang with the big dog.

Stay on the porch. Little whistle whistle. A little too short.

No, never just awkward and I embrace the awkward. Alright, here's our next topic, the Pinot k goalkeeper tackle. Thank you Mr. Denman, for bringing this one to my attention. This and finding been okay.

Though I'd like your votes on this.

I'd like your votes and a cat is setting up the, the poll as we speak. I'm quite certain she's doing it right now. Do you believe this is a free hit to the defense, a penalty corner, a penalty stroke, or a penalty stroke and a card? Let me know in the poll. David, I'm waiting for your vote. Let's hear, let's let, let's hear what you have to say and yeah, this little comment about the whole field hockey can thing.

True story. Okay. The poll is up. So

when I first saw this clip, I had certain feelings and what I did is I went back to start from the beginning and I want you to notice a few things, okay? First of all, I really like what this umpire is doing with his positioning. I think that, I mean, it helps that he's, uh, obviously very athletic and able to move very fast, but first off, he's not starting too high on the pitch.

A lot of umpires, especially when they're doing what they deem to be slower games, will cheat far too high on the pitch and would've been ahead of this last line of defenders. And there's just no need to be at that point because when the turnovers happen, you need to understand that there's a lot of space in this area as the backside umpire, as I, as I would call it.

And you know, don't at me, I know it's not elegant, but let's just call it backside for now. You, you have all the space in the, in the lanes to see through. You do not actually have to be that close in order to sell a decision. So I really like where this umpire is starting off, he could probably start moving with commitment a little sooner, but look at the speed of this attacker.

Who does the overlap run and gets in front and the umpire continues their run through and gets to their happy place pretty darn quickly. Okay. Such that by the time that the umpire is making the decision, they're close to that end line. Okay? So, I think that just a tiny little adjustment with being a little bit deeper and all it would've taken is that, that earlier start, that real commitment to get moving that would've gotten him here when the contact point happens.

Do you understand what I'm saying? So instead of being still on the move when he has to make that very critical decision, he would've been in place quite set, set in the indoor sense set, and be able to really present this decision. That aside small little j details and adjustments because I think he does a really good job, honestly.

Okay. Uh, let's see what y'all have to say about this. It's very quiet in the chat. What's happening? Everybody? Like, let's get chatting here. Jolt. What do you got for me? You see the attacker partially standing on the arm stick of the goal. You're still feeling a penalty stroke though. Fair? Okay. Um, Mr.

Deadman behave. I insist. So, when I had a look at the actual decision that needed to be made, I mean the, the level of confidence that the umpire has in the way that they present this is quite exceptional. He seems very certain of this decision that he's made. He's in a good position and here's a player who's down on the ground and it's outrage.

Outrage that it's there. Okay? Uh, Shane also had the keeper's arm. You had a penalty stroke.

Okay, but look at this freeze free for a moment here as well. What else do you notice? Like you don't even have to look at the attacker's foot. What else do you notice about this particular moment? You see a ball not being moved in any direction by the attacker side to side. You see the attacker taking their stick off the ball, and you see it making contact with the goalkeeper stick.

That motion of this isn't always an indication. It's an indication of some solid kind of contact, but when an attacker has that much control over that motion, maybe there's a stick block.

There are no offsides in hockey anymore. David, when I was young and playing there were offsides. I think I was about 16 or 17 when they took out offsides and as a defender I was still delighted cuz I thought they were dumb. Okay, stick obstructing from the attacker. L Larry getting right in there with the, the correct verbiage on decision not using any slang terms whatsoever.

I appreciate you, sir for that penalty stroke for Deadman because it looks like it always swings the stick under where the attacker runs. Okay, Simon, what do you boo and what do you and boo think? You defer to boo for all things. Your vote penalty stroke comes from her interesting boo. Be a goalkeeper, Kat sees a, uh, penalty stroke because the keeper couldn't reach the ball at that point.

Okay for William the attacker obstructs, the goalkeeper stick first, free hit defense. And Alistair, you think that the goalkeeper stick was never gonna be able to play the ball penalty? Stroke 100%. Stick obstruction. Which way? Rado. You can't just, you can't just say a hundred percent because you could be declaring it's a stick obstruction by the goalkeeper.

Let's go sir. Come on now. Anique, good to see you again. It's been a, it's been a hot minute and you see the stick being away from the ball. So goalkeeper fell for Nick. Gosh, it's super tight. Probably a stick block and a fell on the goalkeeper. So, uh, so do you mean that there's a stick block by the goalkeeper but the goalkeeper also commits a fell, or, I, I'm not sure what a spot.

I hope you're talking about me cuz. I thought I did a pretty good job on that one for really terrible resolution of frame rate. Uh, Simon, you voted penalty stroke with the attacker could be stick blocking the keeper and stick obstruction by the attacker. Free hit defense from Van Ray. Hey friend. Did you, did you see Jaco?

Did you see Jaco earlier? I didn't see you in the comments, but I hope you saw his, his, uh, interview cuz he did amazing and he had a good view. He did have a good view I think that he would've seen from that angle very, very clearly. I just think if he had been a little bit, it's, it's a bit hindsight though cuz you don't know exactly what angle that contact point point's gonna come from.

So I, I think I'm being too nitpicky on that one. But I do like to see umpires being more stationary when they have to make the biggest calls if they possibly can. So there you go.

I bet I didn't say that even remotely correctly. Anique, I'm gonna have to have some Dutch lessons in all this. Can you say, if this is one you get wrong, it's, it's always acceptable, Steve to get one wrong. This is not, uh, this is not for Marks or trophy standings or sheet farms or promotion to the top league.

This is for us to just have a little bit of investment in what we see. Put a little bit of pressure on ourselves as if we are umpiring this and then we work through. The scenario and look at the factors. Okay, so as I look through this, what I'm looking for is

as we go back to the, the replay, okay. I also saw the goalkeeper stick moving. If the stick is stationary, like dead, still, it's a lot easier to make this determination. Okay? So she falls down and the stick is parallel to the, to the floor, and then it sort of comes up a little bit because now she's falling, falling and and the, and the stick angle comes up absolutely fine, but at this point, the attacker moves her stick from me away.

And it prevents , the def, the, the attacker from even getting obstructed. The contact for me is initiated there. Now, if that stick block hadn't have happened, then we start looking at what happened physically in that tackle. Okay. Because there are times, pardon me, where players their sticks contact and the ball's just there and you're like, nobody's disadvantage.

Everybody play on to me. I, I, I think there's definitely a, a disadvantage to the goalkeeper here, but let's say we can ignore that part. Then we'd look at the attacker's foot if we can. It's really hard to see, but if the attacker initiates that contact and steps on the goalkeeper and then falls down, what do we decide?

it could be a play on, it could be a foul against the attacker for interfering with the goalkeeper or dangerous play. Could be. Okay. I'm just, I'm just working through the whole scenario. If the attacker doesn't and it's the goalkeeper's hand arm, whatever, interfering with the attacker running through and there hadn't been a foul earlier, then we are looking at the penalty stroke and potentially a card I think that everybody was talking about.

So let's see, the disengaged umpire very high. Okay. First of all, we're gonna say supporting, we're gonna address that language cuz I like the, you know, something that we learned from, uh, Jaco earlier is that you're never turned off, you are never disengaged. You are always a part of the play. But are you maybe the primary decision maker or are you supporting, are you the controlling umpire of the supporting.

Actually, I do like that primary. Hmm. Somebody's changing their language and it's this girl. So that's the first thing. But very high. Um, dude was probably in his happy place on his baseline when the ball was turned over unexpectedly in front of the 23. It's not his job, , it's not his job to, to be helping out here.

Look, we can't be everywhere on the pitch, so I bet he's chucking it and he's running as fast as, as he can. The fact that he comes into the picture here at this moment, that's pretty freaking fast. So, no, I'm not, I'm not accepting that. I'm not accepting that that is not, not ballot. Sorry. Um, Rachel, you're not convinced the goalkeeper is even trying to play the ball.

So, Apptopia, you need to be clear about the obstruction by the attacker. All right, Alistair, the attacker switching from four to backhand, the moment of contact is a second switch. Um, it can, except she moves her stick very far away from the ball in a place that prevents the goalkeeper from reaching it.

And yes, I, I will absolutely grant that at the angle that we have, we can't be entirely sure how close the goalkeeper stick would've been to the ball, but for the, the, the contact. Okay. In real time, in our view, it looks awful. But to me, that is, that is not a movement to the side. That is not a lateral movement of the ball, Alistair.

It's not. She just takes her stick off the ball. Um, stick f Halden will make it sound more Dutch. Did I do that? I dunno, Martin, if the keeper was trying to play the ball or stick would've been sweeping on the ground. I, I, I know that that is a complicating factor and I did, I know you were there, Martin. I know you heard me say it.

So the fact that the goalkeeper stick was moving is a piece of it. But if the attacker stick hadn't been blocking that way and the goalkeeper stick had hit her, fine, we've got a stroke all day, every day, twice on Sundays. Not hard.

Okay. But had there not been that gap, had there not been that presentation, we've got a totally different story. Nick, you reckon if a penalty stroke had been given, not many defenders would complain. True. It's that tight in a real time. It looks like the goalkeeper initiates contact, but definitely a stick block for Nick Rado.

You had people kick you in the throat step on your head, not, not, uh, once it was play on same for your arm. Um, I'm not sure if you're saying that it's never been called in your favor or not and I sure hope so. The call on the pitch, David was a free hit for the defense. I believe that the umpire, either he called the state block or he called the physical interference of the attackers foot pace abuse from the supporting umpire based on where he probably was.

Yeah, that's fineable . Okay. And you saw if you hit defense. There you go. Let's have a look at the goalkeepers kickers. Okay. Well the goalkeepers stretched stick towards, I don't even think that the goalkeepers. I mean, I know you see them move and flutter, but I don't think there's any question that the goalkeepers, kickers don't come into play here.

Does that help in looking at that view? Irene? Great question. You absolutely wanna look at it there. Don. It was so weird. I was wondering what the hell was up. I was like, where's Don? Terrible. And you see it now? Okay, cool. Yes. Right, and, and this is, this is the thing. I don't want to use Slowmo and freeze frame and zoom occasionally as a way to show second guessing.

It's just that I wanna be able to illustrate the things that we should be looking at. And the more practice we have at focusing on what we're looking at, those are the things that are gonna help us make the better decisions. Okay. You, you, hundred percent would've called incorrectly upon my stroke. I'm not sure.

I'm not sure if you would, if you had the, if you had that gentleman's angle, maybe you would've gotten it right. Don't sell yourself short. I don't wanna hear that. No, I will not hear that talk. I think you would've gotten it. Oh boy. Where are we at the thing? Okay, I'm gonna close the poll to see where we're at.

Do, do, do 44% and we're gonna a two minute warning

and the back of sticks. Okay. And yeah, that's, that's a possibility, right? Um, sometimes we make great calls and show the wrong signal for it. Okay. So let me just grab this. Let me grab this.

And drag it on the screen and make it an overlay. Oh, good work. Keely. That was almost spot on. Okay. And maybe there was something else we didn't see . I'm not sure if I saw anything that would've led me to a back stick, but hey again, it's crappy resolution and bad frame, right? So there you go. Yeah. I mean, we, we accept these things.

We accept these things and it's, and, and I think we, we can sometimes load ourselves off the hook by saying, well, nobody complains, so it's okay. And that's fine. But we really are working to make the best calls we can. Cuz the best way to manage a game of hockey is to have the highest accuracy rate you can humanly have when you are right.

You don't have nearly as much to manage. So that has to be our bedrock. That has to be that level. In order to achieve that accuracy, what do we need? We need positioning and we need rules knowledge. Okay, so the bottom right at the bottom of all this is the positioning that umpire had it, and then the rules knowledge obviously.

And then we layer on top and we build this stack of umpiring skills. Okay. Um, this is shocking actually. I think you need to refresh Steven, cuz I've got 19 likes. I've got 19 likes. Thank you for voting. That was really great. I appreciate all of your contributions

and that's fine.

I'm doing better at this. I think. Let's go on to topic three. I'm a little large in the frame though. Yeah. Yeah, that, that was, that was a little too zoomed in. Okay. Topic three. penalty corner, first shot. Hit at height. This one won't take long enough. We'll, protection offer, that's a struggle again.

Okay. So

looking for it. Go anywhere basically. The gold, definitely for me, when it goes in the gold ball, then ricocheted it has to cross the line at the height of the back. Clap and tap him in. Comes across the goalkeeper. Now the question is, does that take a touch down off Ren? Because the angle that ball means it has to hit the top edge of the backboard.

Cause it comes up. Has this gone high and then the goalkeepers deflected it down? Or does it hit the backboard in order for it to go up? Has to hit the backboard On the first shot it, it's got, sorry, that'd be really precise. Cause there'll be some mum by down there has to cross the line at the height of the backboard or below.

Amit, I have advice for you. It is a goal you can restart from. Go. So is, does the whole ball have to go underneath the height of the backboard as it crosses the line? Because if you look at that, it was the bottom edge of the ball that hit the backboard. So by definition, there's all sorts of technicalities.

Should I dig myself another hole? I'm not. I'm back

straight

out. I hope you could hear all of that, that Simon Mason was describing. He did a really good job in making sure to keep raining Dan in and be saying, no, we're not talking about the it hitting the backboard. That's not the determining factor. The determining factor is, as we know, it's whether the ball crosses the goal line at a height that is 460 millimeters or lower, absent any deflection either way.

So Simon went through the principles really, really well. He talked about, okay, first we're looking at the height and, and just looking at the absolute, where does it cross the goal line? He asked the question, was there a deflection off the goalkeeper stick that changed the trajectory of the ball because if the ball had been moving at a height that was higher, then the goalkeeper deflects it lower, such that that deflection.

Touches it at 460 millimeters, then it was traveling too high because we can piece together as best we can without having a side on angle and that kind of goal line technology that the ball crossed the line very close. It was close. Okay, so being able to rule out that there was a deflection, there was no deflection that I can see.

You might all disagree, but that's what I'm seeing there. And then Simon also talks about whether the hole ball has to cross the line at 460 millimeters. So I guess with the poll that you have in front of you, it's binary. No cards available and no bullies. Okay. Uh, You can sort of judge for yourself how you were, uh, you know how you put those things together.

I like to see your poll options and that sort of thing. Okay.

That's not helpful. Now that's not helpful. Now

the white player hit the ball with the back of her stick while she was on the ground. Oh, okay. That's helpful.

Uh, no, not necessarily. Maybe he saw no foul. It was a stick block.

Okay. Um, let's see. Maybe the umpire didn't see the stick block or any goalkeeper file just gave. Yep. That may have happened. And again, it's not about the umpire's correctness of decisions, but we were pulling out the principles of how do we look at this? And since most people looked at that as being a stick obstruction, intentional reckless as to the result of breaking down play, bringing the player to ground, blah, blah, blah, that that would've normally been a penalty stroke.

It wasn't. Okay. Larry likes the goal. Okay. Well, Simon doesn't correct himself cuz Simon was right the whole time. Simon corrects Dan and I'm very sensitive to their voices now, so I know who's talking usually. Although I think I might have lost a little bit. I'm messaging Simon, make sure that it doesn't start talking about hitting the backboard.

Uh, this is the most one pole sided pole we've had for many weeks. Yeah. It is hard to see to tell whether the goalkeeper touches the ball. Very tough. Yeah. No, it shouldn't be a 15 minute signal. And you know, just as a side note, in terms of presentation, this is the one time, the one time that you can give this signal the two high signal.

That used to be what we would say when the ball was high. We don't care if the ball's high. I don't care. Scottish umpires on the international scene who keep misusing those words. I'm looking at you too. You know who I'm saying. Okay. We have danger arm across the chest and we have this when the height of the ball is too high, , this is the time you can use that.

And then it's a free hit. And that does matter because a 15 meter free hit can only be taken in line with the offense up to 15 meters from the end line. The free hit defense can be taken anywhere inside the circle or in line with the offense up to 15 meters from the end line. Okay, so I, I had an interesting conversation with, uh, one of my umpires in Toronto this weekend because anytime the ball missed the goal, it was a shot on target, but it wasn't, it didn't score, it didn't hit the crossbar or anything like that.

She was calling danger. She was calling a free hit defense and I a free push defense and I said, think about what that means and whether that's actually an opportunity that you want that to be the case. I'm gonna do this. Hello?

Yep. Come on up. All class. I'm all class. Look, I'm the only one who, you can only have one phone number and I don't wanna miss this delivery. Okay, 10 minutes to Achill hour. Okay, let's two minute warning this ish, 90%. This is one of our, I think we've had a couple that are pretty, pretty. Um, one-sided though.

Let's see. Let's get this going here. Let's get this party started. Okay, so 9% of you, 9%, which I think is probably two of you, thought that it was a free hit defense, that it was too high. Totally fine. really difficult to tell on the facts. I just wanted to be able to run through the languaging that we use to make sure that we understand the.

That the rule is like this, okay? It's the crosses the goal line at 460 millimeters or lower. Okay? Those are the keys. Um, and how do I get back to that scene? I don't know. I don't know how I get back to that scene. Now. Two minute warning, countdown here. Okay, so that's, those are the things that we're looking for.

Okay? And that was probably one of the most amazingly tight scenarios. The last question that Simon asked if you were listening on the broadcast is he said, does the whole ball need to cross the line? The, the, um, cross the goal line at 400, no higher than 460 millimeters. And I think the common sense interpretation is, first of all, Who the hell can see that.

Second of all, be of all, um, since we say in every other circumstance, if part of the ball is touching the line, it is in then the ball crossing the goal line at 460 millimeters. If the top part of the ball, if this much of the ball touches that 460 millimeter mark that is at the height of 460 millimeters, I'm calling it, I'm calling it

So golfer, golfer, you, uh, badass, move by me and Yep. And, and yes. And it should be penalized. Thank you, Luke, for specifying and declaring that. Okay. Awesome. Where are we at? Are we at four?

Aerial interception fail. This will be fast too. We don't necessarily have to do a aerial, a poll on this, but we can really quickly, if you remember the options.

Let's see how fast y'all can vote. Or receiving two of those kind of balls in the area. Not five yards. Fortune for Australia. Rasi, you were so close. You said five yards. You break my heart. Rasi.

So this is a either, this could have been a free hit defense. It could have been a. I don't know, the attacker being awesome, could have been a free hit to the attack, could have been a penalty corner, uh, or a penalty corner, possibly, and a cart. Let's see what y'all are saying about this. Describing 100% of your attempts of picking an aerial with one topic title, aerial deception fail.

It's a tough skill, like it's very hard. So very important, uh, to always keep that in mind. So if you think back to the discussion that I will link in the description that we had between myself and David Ames and Bernardo Fernandez and ERT Spark about aerial interceptions and how they get called, the challenge is, is that a player has to have the discipline that if they miss the interception as this player, Initial receiver, pretty clear that the initial receiver was going to be the attacker in this case.

If they should miss this, they still have to respect the five meter ar the the five meter receiving area of the attacker. In this, it's hard because it means that even though they can intercept within five meters, they can't be within five meters. So once it's no longer an interception, cuz they've missed the ball, they actually have to back off and they have to get out of there.

Otherwise they're breaking down play. Now of course, at the moment of the reception, the Indian attacker, it's likely that the Australian player who attempted the aerial interception is gonna be caught too close. We get that. But if they make way, if they make an effort to get out of the way and they're not taking away the most, Attractive space towards the goal.

And if they are taking away that space, they do as little as possible. Like they, they can't disappear, but they have to make themselves as absolutely unintrusive as possible. If, if, for example, that defender had been standing inside the circle, I, I don't know how an aerial would fall that way, but suspend disbelief for a moment.

You know, that's, that's what we would be looking at. They really have to be actively not there. All that Australian player had to do was take like one step North Okay. Or two steps west and he would've been fine. Okay. Let's see what we got. Simple PC for you, for Rachel. You think it's a free hit attack according the rules, but feel this as harsh as the attacker pushes the ball towards the defender.

Interesting. Interesting. You are gonna vote a PC with no card. It's non-op option. Don't worry about. I got you. I got you. It's a penalty corner for Denman. Uh, never leaves after the attempt. It could have been a safe intercept. Exactly. And this is where you get the, um, where you put together the, the factors of it could have been properly taken because he's reaching above the receiving area and you know, really making an effort there.

And that reach the way he reached was not dangerous to the initial receiver behind him. Okay. Um, William, what? You went with a PC and card.

Okay. And card is not just a pc. It has to back off. Okay. Pc, no card for John. Free hit attack. I think the problem is, is that, The, the o the Australian defender doesn't just, it's not just a case of the attacker dribbling the ball towards him. Watch what the atta the defender does. Like he takes three steps towards the ball and he's gotta know, he knows where that ball is going to be received at.

He knows he's marking that player. That's his, that's his marking responsibility. He knows exactly what's happening here. That's a breakdown for me. Okay, I'm gonna call the poll. I hope y'all voted. I hope it happened. Fa fast and poll and we'll, two minute warning.

No problem, Kat, I see that you're giving your apologies. I appreciate everything that you do to get these polls underway. So thank you, um, sent back. Did that work? Okay, that works.

Okay, so 59% liked the, uh, PC in a card free hit attack for 36%. Restart with a bully. Oh, see that was a joke. You punks. That was a joke at the time. The balls lifted. There's a clear receive and the two defenders are not allowed to attack to control the ball before encroaching five. Luke, for you at this level, the defender knows they have to back away.

Yeah. And yeah, you may vary on the cardinal card as it's q1. Good point. Okay, so it's unlikely that this is a repeated behavior and that there were previous cards or that there were previous penalty corners given. Cuz remember, we, we will add extra personal messages if the play continues to be broken down in the same way that you can award the greater team penalty, but they're not getting the message.

So that's when we will also be adding the um, the card and Yeah, I think Joel's right and yeah, they have to be in control and mis controlled towards the defender. Penalizes the defender. Yes, we absolutely talked about that. I don't think that's a misplay and if the defender is going to get the advantage of being able to attempt the interception from within five meters because they can do so safely.

They, they, they get both sides of the coin. Okay. They don't get the privilege of being able to be there and then have to be like, oh, you misplayed it because the ball came towards me. Now PC for Alistair. Yep. No way. It's accidental. Totally fine. PC and a card for breakdown. Absolutely. PC in a card because he actually breaks down, plays purposeful action.

Okay. And that's totally fine.

There was no card in that situation. I just, I'm trying to make y'all think this is a thinking exercise. This isn't a be right or wrong exercise. This is thinking, this is thinking. And you were the 4%, weren't you, Shane? Uhhuh. That was you. Okay. I got it. Uh, not old enough. , it was you. I knew it. Uh, there are two players within five minute meters of each other when the ball is being played somewhat.

But the interception rule is, you know, it, it's a bit more fluid now anique. And I think that we're not looking necessarily for a very strong, like drawing the five meter disc out on the field. The thing that I absolutely hate to, to do and that we're looking more for the, the clear initial receiver, I don't think there was any doubt that was the attacker.

So, uh, I that for me, that was never gonna be a free hit for the defense. So there you go. And what am I thinking? Clearly? That's terrible. Last one. Super quick cuz there is no doubt we are not pulling this one, this tackle though, always want you.

I can't even keep a straight face.

Always. Um, what do you mean? Okay. This was supposed to be a lot bigger here. There we go. You're very welcome. Anique and Stuart Stewart. Stewart. Hi. I don't, I don't recognize your name. So you get the air horn. You'd be okay with the no card, but at at that level they a hundred percent know they should back off.

Yeah. Yeah. Cuz he knows he's trying to intercept. Um, I don't even, okay. I do know why these get posted on social media and everybody's like, what's your call? Really? Are are there any options here? Yeah, of course. I do that sometimes too. Okay. Like, you have to have fun on social media and your reels. So sometimes I'll, the, the first time I posted the Southgate tackle, I had the perfect music.

The right when the slide came in, there was like a change in the chorus and it was very traumatic. , uh, jail card. . Yeah. Not necessarily jail, but to me this is, Nope, there's no poll on this one. Anique, because cat's gone. and I, and we don't have time cuz it's 2 33. But for me, the only question is whether this happens inside or outside the circle.

Okay? It is absolutely 100% a 10 minute yell card no matter what exactly. Anique, you're absolutely right. Uh, it is that 10 minute yell card. It's difficult for us to see that the, the player is just outside the circle, but the ball is inside potentially. So that's another reason I didn't wanna poll it, cuz I don't wanna get hung up on that.

That's not the important thing. The important thing is, y'all recognize this is a 10 minute yellow every day of the week and twice on Sundays. So excellent work friends. Thank you for nope, 10. Oh, you wanna five a yield card on the white player just outside the 23? Yeah, that was pretty gross too, but I think you can, I think you can just sit with the 10 minutes.

It's hard to see exactly how much contact there was outside the 23. The defender was on the circle line. Potentially for Luke, the ball's inside poly stroke. Fine. I'll take it. I'll take it Nick. I agree. And of course, at pc, excellent work. Okay. Thank you all for today. Thank you for, uh, embracing Yahoo into our community.

and asking him some really great questions and making him feel comfortable. It's not an easy thing to come on a show. The only reason I started live streaming is I knew nobody was gonna watch me when I started. I'm, I'm not really, I, you know, I'm not a very proud human being, especially now that I'm over 50.

I just don't care. My bucket of fox is so empty, it's not even funny. But l don't at me with the swear jar. But I did know in the beginning that nobody was gonna show up, and I was appalled when people actually did show up to the live stream. So I was like, well, you know, you, I'm, I'm practicing here. You're not supposed to be here.

So big ups to Yahoo for doing that and doing such a great job telling a story. And yeah, definitely penny story and yeah, pose joke for sure, says David, I love it.

But the disadvantage Dan happens with what the player could do with the ball. So if the ball it, it's, I I think that's, that's the change in language that we would get to that. No poll. And it was great to listen to Yaki. Yeah. And Steven Denman's my favorite again. There you go. And yes, very, very warm.

Welcome and all that. We have work to do. Friends, get your butt into the Discord server because I need help y'all. I need help. We've got this big thing that we're doing, um, and goosebumps. Shocked. I know I'm a goof. Like how can somebody, first of all, so pretty, but can be so immature in the way she acts and be over 50.

It's because I don't care truthfully. Simon, I really do hope I get to meet your family. Um, I have to contact Paul and make sure that we're getting moving on my Cambridge branch of the visit, cuz I think that would be awesome. Okay. Thank you for being here. Thank you for being out there. Thank you for coming into the Discord and saying hi and being a part of all of the magic that we're building because it is truly magical.

We will see you next week and in the server.

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