Live Q&A #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 116

📅 Apr 26 18.00 GMT
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Join us for some Pro League lessons as we review a collision in the circle, grey areas with yellow cards for going to ground, and how to handle that attacker releasing their shot at the circle line. We'll also uncover how top-class umpires manage a match with cards and how you can improve your mindset for your next game!

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⏱ Chapter Markers:
00:00:00 Chair Dancing
00:02:27 Topics!
00:06:59 1. Managing a Collision After a PC Award
00:39:34 2. Calling the Release Point of a Shot
01:01:27 3. Going To Ground Grey Areas
01:21:13 4. Proactivity on 5m Works
01:23:47 5. Building Rapport After Mistakes
01:26:15 6. Changing Your Management Mindset

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Transcript

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Good afternoon, evening, and morning, and whatever time it may be. Apparently it is very late for one, Mr. Jade Bloomfield. Good to see you friend. Glad you're here. Welcome to What Up Wednesday. It is FHumpires. You are the fhu #thirdteam. Even if you didn't know it, you're part of the team now. So I'm very glad you're here.

Uh, nice to see so many fine folk in the chat. It's nice for all of you to say hello. It's my favorite part because y'all make me smile. So good to see. Raju is here and Steffan, and of course Rachel is here and Rachel's going with the rose today, which has me of course, a little bit envious. Uh, let me make sure I've got no comments coming in that are wrong.

Okay, good. Good to see. Uh, Simon, you're just dropping in replay squad. Good to know. Okay. Sad. Nick is here. Good to see you, Nick. You're, you're around a lot more now. Good to have you. Who it is, speaking of which you can see, I've got my tour shirt on. I needed to give it a, a couple weeks rest cuz you may not have known it when I was at the, uh, E H L I was wearing it every day underneath my sweater, my, my sweatshirt, my parka, and my raincoat.

Cuz I had all those things that I had to wear just starting the music by the way. I know you really wanted to know, Hey, what are we doing today? Today we are doing the following. We are gonna talk about a collision after a PC award calling the release point of a shot. We are gonna go through going to ground gray areas.

Are there any, let's find out proactivity on five meters. Building rapport after mistakes. And then I'm gonna do something a little bit different where I wanna do a little mindset work about management by going, working through some key moments in a match that we did a watch party on earlier this week.

So that is what we have in store. I'm very pleased that you're gonna be along. As always, there will be polls where I'm gonna be asking for your input, but as always, this is a collaborative effort. We are coming to a consensus together where we all express our opinions and eventually y'all agree with me?

I'm just kidding. It's not quite like that, is it? No. We talk together and I take in all of your input and usually yeah, we're all, we're all getting to a great decision together. So that is where we're at today. I don't even have any rants ready, but if I do, and if I need to, just take a deep breath. I do have a new GIF on board.

We're just gonna have a Tamil. We're just gonna take a Tamil. Okay. Little puff of the cheeks. Take a Tamil. Alright. I've had that for weeks and I keep forgetting to use it, so there we are. Alright, let's get into the material. It's great to have you along. Is there anybody that I missed? Oh wait. Mike McCartney's here.

Yeah. Okay. Look. Look, I know the difference between B S T and G M T. It's just, most of y'all don't, but I just failed to change all of the 19 hundreds to the 18 hundreds that they need to be for the summer. Look, life is a struggle. Oh, hey Jamal. You're here. Happy birthday yesterday, day before. Glad you're along.

Wait, I can do this. Where's my. Where's my confetti? Do it this way. Happy birthday jams. Pumping up the jams. Oops. And now I froze it. Did I?

It's up with this graphic. It's, mm-hmm. It's not good. It's not good. I just keep, it's stalling now. Geez. Okay, let's find out. Uh, let's see. Denman's here. Good to have you. Okay. Add all present, sir. Now that you are here, we can get going. All right. First topic. Managing a collision after PC award. This came up in the server, but as I watched this on the replay, on the replay goes, I knew we were gonna be covering it, pushing effort.

And then first instance gets crowded penalty corner. Given the aren't scenes you want to see

wishes come. Always get to have a birthday on YouTube, so the ball, the penalty corner is given. The sand would not be the ball. Deliberately the baseline. Yep. We're referring

boy's collision with sample, which is what caused the slight me. Excellent unpacked communication control. Yemen? Yes. Not churchy. Okay. Yemen. We're just looking for that. It's not a penalty corner in there because there's there's a breach before. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Amber GB are asking if there's a foul in there.

Um, before azi of blowing a penalty corner, um, we're just asking if there's no foul and it should be a free hit to the gpb. All right, we'll check the whole corner. And we are, you had a PC for a ball over the back line. Well, that's okay. It's gone over the back line. He's knocked it that way. You've done something else.

So good. Say comes in. That's allowed to play on. No danger off the goalkeeper zone. Defender similarly, nothing there. Samford stepped in so well, it's harsh going off cause it's a double touch. Is he trying to play it over the back line? It's then the contact point. There is no foul before the decision of to give the penalty corner.

So Samford picks this off his own goalkeeper. He runs towards the baseline. There's, there's no foul here. Is that, that's a collision and that's head to head. That's a collision. After the ball has gone the ball over the baseline. Is the reason the corners been given, is that gonna be overruled or is there gonna be a person penalty?

There is no clear reason to change your decision. Stay with the penalty corner and GB will lose the referral. Okay. So the ball's off the back line. Okay. And there's nothing clear there. I don't, I don't dispute the ball off the back line. I'm okay with that. But having looked at that passenger play player to play a contact, I would question whether there's a personal penalty in that contact.

Doesn't change a penalty corner, it's just about the personal penalty for that impact. Okay. The replays are going. So let's have a look at the, the poll questions. I believe, what did I say for the poll? I said, what's your call? Is it a free hit defense? A free hit defense plus a yellow card for the attacker, a PC or a PC plus a yellow card for the attacker.

Uh, there actually is a fifth option available, but if anybody would like to branch out to said fifth option, if you go with pc, I will consider that to be under the fifth option.

It's true. It should be very interesting what the results are. Alright, the poll is up, so let's start getting your votes in. So as we're breaking down this play there, we, we need to work through step by step what we see. So the first thing that you're going to just. Go through automatically is the save that comes off.

I think it's uh, Ollie Payette, the the save that comes off the goalkeeper. It flashes by a defender, but because you can't cause danger to your own teammate, you can only cause danger to opponents. There's nothing to call there. So that can play on. And then what is the next action? So the next action that happens independent of anything that happens after this is the playing of the ball by the defender.

Okay? So you can look at that and we can discuss as to whether you feel like that ball is played intentionally off the baseline or not, which is good. You know what? I don't know where Eggleton and Denman, you know, decided to be co-conspirators on this one, but it is not restarting with a bully. That is not the option.

That is not the option, actually. Yeah, the, the more I, the more I sort of throw it out there, the more I realize that I wouldn't go for the fifth option either, but I'm, I'm here for your suggestions other than the bully. Get that out. Stop it, stop it there all together. Okay, so let's look at the collision.

And I think it's something that when we look at it in, in, in real time and the first blush. We tend to react to physical contact and players going down and playing players being injured quite well actively. We sympathize immediately with anybody who's shown that they are injured and that they're hurt.

Uh, and maybe it's worth taking a very close look as to how this entire collision happened. Let's see what y'all are saying. Dolby, you're, I'm sorry, but you're, you're fired. You're fired.

Uh, let's see. For far Raj, he doesn't feel it's played intentionally off the base on the attacker. Should have had a personal penalty. Okay. For Scott, the attacker has the right to be there, and it's all about whether the collision prevented the defender from playing the ball before it went off the back line.

Okay. So Scott, did you feel that the collision for me as I'm going through this, it seems quite. Systematic here, or it, it definitely goes in the order. And let's see if I can, if I can freeze it at the right moments. Okay, so here comes the next shot. Comes in and here is where the defender has possession of the ball.

Whoops. Here's where the defender has possession of the ball. Okay? And then if we scroll it a little bit further, that's the play of the ball. The play of the ball has already happened, as you can see, cuz the ball is now traveling off the, the end line and it's traveling off at an angle.

I wonder if anybody's starting to pick up what I'm putting down here. And then the collision happens here. Okay. Just waiting for this to catch up. There it is. Okay. And then the collision happens here.

There you go, Luke. That's a smart answer.

Okay. I'm gonna scroll this part back a little bit because I think this is what I'm looking for.

And let's see if I can go frame by frame a little bit. Okay. Now, I recognize that there's a little bit of distortion in the cameras, but as this play goes across, if that attacker is attempting to reach the ball, what is the angle at which the defender is running here? Okay, just have a look. It's a lot smoother there.

Who is running into whose path?

Oh, let's see. Matt Harrison's here. My, oh my. Yes. Luke has invoked the P worth rule. Well done, Matt. If you decide the ball has been played over the back line deliberately, that only occurs once the ball crosses the baseline. Whilst the ball is still in play for you, the defender is fouled and free. Hit defense.

Interesting.

That's very interesting because I don't,

I'm gonna, I'm gonna turn, turn that over my head a little bit. The sequence, because the play of the ball has already occurred and it's the play of the ball there. There's no other action that's able to be taken. Very interesting. Let's see, Steffan, depending on the angle of the video, it's hard for you to see if the personal penalty is needed.

Why? Why? I want more than that. I want more than that. Keep talking. Thank you.

Denman's. Side note is the injection legal. Looks like his foot is off the ground when it's released, and therefore not behind the line. Is, does the foot have to be in contact with the ground in order for it to be behind the line?

Okay. Now again, we all know that with these, the, that would not even be, that wouldn't be a cause for a, um, for a turnover of decision. It's a minor point. It's something that you address as proactively as you can. And in that situation, really are you gonna go by the plane of the line? That's not the point.

That is not the point of that rule. So I don't think we have to get ourselves caught up with that. Well, all these players know what they're doing. The question is, who is doing what intentionally That disadvantages another player or does not. Oh, hi. And, uh, Ernst says, the non umpire here says a free hit defense, unintentional foul by the attacker.

Ernst, do you think that the ball was played intentionally off the end line?

Okay. Knocking the ball over the back line is not a foul. A PC is just how the game restarts.

True. But does that change the order in which we make decisions?

I'll get back to that in a sec. God, if the ball is deliberately played over the back line but never reaches it, then we, you wouldn't blow. Absolutely correct. Playing the ball of the back line isn't a offense, it's just a different restart. Absolutely. So the question here is whether the play of the ball and the collision are two separate Inc.

Incidences such that the collision is a form of misconduct, and let's leave it up at the moment as to who has committed the misconduct. But if those two are separate things, then the PC restart sits on its own. If you think that there is the possibility that, say the attacker could have reached the ball, or the defender could have reached the ball, but for the collision, now you have a foul that has occurred before the restart.

Okay. And I think that fits into the language that we, that we heard from. The video, uh, from Alicia in the video booth and from Gareth as they were working through that. It wasn't explicit, but I think that's, that's basically what with the, what they worked through, ener doesn't think that that's intentionally off the, the end line.

If anything, you see the defender veering to his right to prevent the attacker from reaching the ball. That's what I see too. The defender played the ball legitimately to take away from the defend from the attacker, I'm assuming, uh, without obstructing what the body questions. Did he play it away from the attacker in a legitimate tackle or deliberately played off?

Hi Eileen. Good to see you. penalty corner and nothing else for you. Liam has caused the foul, uh, running across the attackers line after he is played over the, the ball over the end line and Steffan Okay. The angle from the baseline was that both players are going for the ball and it was played away from the attackers anticipated.

Pause, everybody. Wait. Steffan's still typing. Getting the rest in Uher. Stephen, if the defender played it intentionally over the back line, which he didn't, it was still in play before. It was still in play before the ball was overline. So f So for you, you think that the defender has been fouled and that has disadvantaged the defender from being able to to play the ball and therefore should be awarded a free hit?

The poll results are gonna be fascinating, not deliberately paid off the back for you body contact afterwards. A free hit defense for you.

And I guess, I guess what I'm looking at is who stopped whom from getting to the ball

and if the ball was played and we can, we can dispense what the deliberately played off the end line sort of thing, but. Who has stopped whom from reaching the ball.

Um, Elaine, you're not an umpire either, but this helps you a lot to know the rules better. Oh, good. Thank you. Well, that's, that's why we do it, and that's why we work through these things for Noah. Curious, am I suggesting Noah asks that the defender is deliberately causing an obstruction as such? It's at least a pc, if not more.

Maybe I am, maybe not. Sorry. It's still in play before the file, the attacker, so, yes. Okay. You can see why the decision wasn't overturned. Right. And so, I mean, Mike, that's an ancillary point that in a video referral process we're looking at for, if you were the umpire in the booth, that we're looking for clear evidence and we're looking for an indication that the, that the, um, that, that there's a clear reason to overturn the decision that was made on the field.

And Garrett's decision on the field was that it was intentionally played over the end line. So there's that argument there. And then there is, was there a foul before that happened? Uh, Chris, if you penalize a Chris, you're supposed to be cycling right now. You're training for a triathlon, sir, get back on the bike if you penalize a defender for breaking down because an attacker cuts across on route to the circle.

Why is it different if the defender is front? If we penalize the defender for breaking down because an attacker cuts across. Um huh. I'm struggling with that sentence construction, but I bet that was smarter than I can understand. Uh, for Steph on the line and it made heading at the old line, a new line from 23 angle, it could be a defender obstructing the attacker.

Yeah, because there's, there's two touches of the ball there. Okay? There's the initial contact of the ball and then there's a second touch that touches it off in the direction of the end line. And if you don't think that, that's intentionally off the end line, okay? I think that's wrong. Now, whether that is the method that you restart play, because there's nothing else that happens is another issue.

Oie, you feel that the attacker drops off shoulder into Sanford to create contact. Hi, I'm glad you, I'm glad you made it tonight, Yahoo. You made the live stream. Hi. I hope you get your vote in cuz we're gonna tie it up pretty closely or pretty closely. Pretty, pretty soon. Uh, let's see. Yarin isn't the second play by the defender caused, did the second play cause the upcoming collision.

That's another way to look at it. And honestly, that's kind of what I see. And, and that would be the most in the moment decision, is that the two players are going for the ball defender, touches it, touches it again, and all of a sudden they are on a concurrent, you know, they're gonna go for it. And are you going to, is the defender gonna be able to catch that ball before it goes off the end line and the attacker's motion stops him from doing it?

No, he wasn't gonna catch that ball. Okay. Did the defender's action cause the attacker not to be able to catch that ball? No, cuz it was going very clearly off the, it, it was, it was going fast enough that neither player was going to catch it. So. You could go with it's simply a PC to restart because the ball was intentionally played off the end line and that collision changed nothing.

And it was maybe a little bit of, can I say play acting a little bit of, uh, show personship,

uh, Jade, you don't think the umpire gave the PC for playing the ball at the endline? Um, he's blowing and signal the corning before the ball goes outta play.

When Gareth explains, I can go back to that, uh, de wave rider. It goes, could save maar. Let's listen to what Gareth says again. Good effort. And then, and calling first instance gets crowded penalty corner, given the, those aren't scenes you want see.

I've, I've got, I've got, let's just go away. Ball. The penalty corner was given, and what's interesting is two teams that are pissed right now, two we're, I'm, Hey, listen up to what Gareth says here. Collision with sample, which is what caused the slight melet. Excellent. I communication. Controling. Human. Yes.

Gareth. Not churchy. Okay. Human. We're just looking for that. It's not a penalty corner in there because there's, there's a breach before. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Amber gb, you're asking if there's a foul in the, um, before of the, off blowing the Fendi corner off the F So he does, there's no foul and it should be as you heard there, gpb.

Alright, we'll check the, was there a foul before? Off the end line. So Gareth has called it for intentionally off the end line. He was just there really quickly on his whistle. Very good timing. Okay, Sebastian, the defender fallacy. Attacker, an attempt to stop the attacker from getting to the ball so that the pc, depending on the context of reds and match, uh, green card, a yellow card for the defender.

So if you're gonna card for a foul inside the circle by a defender, it has to be because you've determined that's an intentional foul. That must be a penalty stroke. Okay. The directive from the F I H is clear that we have to pair the appropriate team penalty with a personal penalty that we give within the circle or within the 23.

So if you feel that that's an intentional foul by the defender, stopping the attacker from reaching the ball and that they were disadvantaged in doing so, then you have to go with a stroke plus the card.

Okay. And let's see. Matt, the only thing you'd say is that you can end up with two different decisions, what the umpire should have blown and what the video umpire can give. That's absolutely true. Okay. That's a big part of it is that, as we said before, they need clear, a clear reason to recommend a different decision.

And there's been conversations, you know, out there about how video umpires are changing their language in some many situations to say, I have a recommendation for you. Instead of, I have a decision for you, which is throwing another spanner in the works, in another development in video umpire conduct.

There. You don't think there's there much there, to be honest, one of those coming together at high speed, not much you can do at Lux spot. And yeah, I think in the moment, and I think that's what Gareth exactly has decided. And he said, look, the ball was going off the end line anyway. My decision is to restart the play because of that intentionally played off the end line.

Sorry, s but I'm absolutely going with that too. And it's a 50 50 collision. That one player makes walk a lot worse than the other.

Uh, Simon, Sam put, put the ball straight off pc, green card for black as the final decision is direction is not towards the ball. Oh. I think his direction is completely towards the ball. The question is, are both players going towards the ball or is one player going across the other? So I understand what you're saying.

I know, but he said the words, he said the words Jade did, did I not, was that not clear enough? He said for intentional, for, uh, for playing off the end line. So, He's, he's announced decision is Steve, if he had de deliberately played the ball off the back line, they'd, there'd be no need to file the attack.

But in real time, let's go back to real time. How fast does this happen? Extremely fast. Could save Maar, pushing good effort and, hey, I called him first instance, given the scene wants good feedback here. Let me go back to this. Matt's feeding back that the video umpire using recommendation was rogue. It won't continue and they must stick to the script.

So we've talked about this, um, as well about the, the direction, the amount of discretion that they have or don't have. And they're, they've, they've been told to stick to the script. Would you look at that? I know Ernst. I know he's asked for a foul before the ball's gone out. The owner that could bring the rebound into the defender as a call.

Um, okay. And Raj, after seeing it so many times, you feel the umpires, right? And yes, we've watched it over and over and over again. So, okay, I'm gonna wrap up this poll and see what everybody else has gone with. Two minute warning.

Okay, so let's see. 31% wanted a free hit defense, 29%. Wanted a penalty corner for playing the ball off the intent, uh, off the end line, but a yellow card for the attacker for the collision. 21% wanted a free hit defense and a yellow card to the attacker. So that means that 50% of you felt that the attacker was in the wrong.

Nope. Hang on, lemme go the other way. Nope. 50. That means 81% of you felt that the attacker was in the wrong, and then 17% of you stuck with the pc. So there you go. I sh I, I understand everything that that is saying like that. Um, uh, yeah, I mean that was just, that was a bit, maybe a bit much. It's, it's hard.

There was definitely a collision there, and I think that's where the blacks sticks reactions were. And you know, what are you kidding? Are, are you really gonna, you know, do that? And then, you know, the GB team reacting to. To that and the fact that there are players on the ground. So it's a lot of people angry all at the same time.

Uh, you do th yeah, and, and that's a really good point that Gareth really handled that very well, and his calm demeanor is one of his superpowers out there on the pitch. Being able to manage both that and saying, I've got this, this is what we're gonna do. And actually he was talking to Alicia in the booth.

He thought it was, he just probably in the moment just sort of blacked out that it was churchy, uh, thought it was churchy, but it was actually, um, Alicia in the booth. But that's fine. And Ian's summer league, umpiring abs. Absolutely. This is a very, very difficult decision. But hopefully we went through there

and, oh, this is interesting. What's happened here? Let's go back to this. And Matt, you are not wrong. 81% of my viewers may be from gb. Very true. Very true. Okay. For me, I don't see any reason. It's just not strong enough as we're looking at it. For me to second guess what Gareth's doing, if I were in the video booth at that time, I wouldn't have overturned the decision.

I would've gone with exactly what I had seen on the field, and I think on the field I would've done the same thing as well. So that's, that's where I'm landing with that. Uh, let's take care of, uh, a little announcement, a little, a little. Congratulations. Before we move on to the next clip, I would first like to thank the following individual.

Let's see if this works. You champion. It's.

Who joined FH E 3, 2, 3. Thank you very much, Dan. Your support makes it possible for me to continue to come on live streams and in many people's view, be wrong on the regular basis. Oh, okay. I just can't do this anymore. This is here, there we go. And this way I can balance out being able to give, you know, very focused, targeted training and coaching to individuals, but also be able to share free resources with the entire world.

So thank you, Dan. You make that possible and I hope you enjoy looking through the clip library and getting acquainted with all of the resources in there. So there you go. Uh, the next thing that I wanted to do was to congratulate this fine individual, Mr. Palmore, who should be on his bike right now. Get back on your bike.

Okay. Late news on the indoor, a panel. Promotion, but congratulations on reaching the outdoor B star panel because, uh, you have done a fantastic job. This picture is from, is from when I got to witness about 20 minutes of Kris's umpiring in Bristol before that happened to his head. So next time, Chris, please stay outta the way the ball, because it really was a bummer that I didn't get to see you do a whole game.

So well done. Uh, there you go. Thanks very much to everybody. And if you want to know more about the F H U U three T, go to the link. That might pop up. It might pop up. Where is it? Let's see if it's, it's playing. It's there, but it's not showing. Oh, there it is. There we go.

Girls got problems. There you are. Uh, question from Scott Are the umpire head cams around much anymore? And you know, I think it's one of those things that it was a high lift for the technology and didn't get a ton of payoff when Lila called that big goal in the India Australia game at the Commonwealth Games semi-final, I think it was.

And that was, there was that amazing shot of her arms going out after the ball had been, you know, hit outta the air by the Australia player. And it, it was just a fantastic play that, of course Indian Twitter got really mad about. Uh, those instances are so rare. Most of the time the head cams, because of the cameras they're attaching to those head cams.

Bouncy and they give you nothing of, of viewable information. Not for spectators, not for fans. I think for umpiring purposes, it's still interest, you know, still potentially valuable. So one of the things I was considering when I went over to Amsterdam with the F H U 13 and did that tour, I took along an Insta 360 camera, which has really amazing stabilization, and they do make a head harness for it.

And I thought about, hmm, wouldn't it be interesting if maybe we put that on top of a, you know, put it on an umpire's head, but there's only so many, um, there's only so many risks you wanna take when you're doing something brand new, like serving the E H C O trophy and it's inaugural manifestation. But next year, next year, let's think about doing it.

But yes, big congratulations and all that. There you go. The head cams are only for dancing. Oh, there you go. Oh, thank you, Raj. Yes, please. I would, I would appreciate the, the thing that happens over here, the like and subscribe and all that stuff if you are enjoying it. I just crossed 2200 50,000 views on the YouTube channel, and that's, holy crap.

Like I, my brain doesn't work like that. I have no idea what that means. Like what do you mean? 250,000? So that's why I'm always so excited about your comments, because that makes this whole process real for me. That you guys pop in here and you argue with me and disagree and say thank you and make jokes about bullies.

And that's why this is rewarding. So thank you very much. All right. Let's go on to our next topic, topic two. Hopefully calling the release point of a shot. Penalized New Zealand. Have another penalty corner. The poll answers will be goal or no. Goal Zealand. This happened like 10 seconds after the, the play that we just talked about.

It's ridiculous. Please. Alright, we're checking the ball in different circles and that's normally a good indication. Just one of them.

You're not gonna see it from that angle, so you're gonna have to get a side angle, I reckon, across to, here we go. Perfect. No, I think perfect. But is it But has it taken a touch There? Has boy got touch there. Doesn't take touch from New Zealand player. You saw that in the first replay. Took a touch of a hand of a GB player, which is fine.

That plays on. Does Boyd get a touch here? No, that's it. It, no, I think I, this is the angle and I think this is no goal. I agree with you because it's not a long drag, it's a flip off the wrists there. That's a long way out. But then on that, on that one, I'm now gonna go back on myself and I'm gonna go, there's no clear reason to change the decision because you cannot, it's nice to know that Simon does the same thing that I do sometimes, which is definitely this.

Oh, definitely not. Oh, go goal because you can't overrule it. Gareth, there is no advice possible. Stay with the goal.

So we'll do this one rather quickly, which is good news cuz it's already 1242. And there's lots more to talk about today, but I think it shows you just how crucial the single, perfect angle is in a decision like this. And we as hockey people who are talking to fans and players and coaches, we have to be very, I think we can do a better job of, of how we talk about angles.

And not just to say, well, I'm at a different angle than you, but to be able to talk about how the importance of an angle would be to a particular kind of decision. So just imagine friends, you're looking at not just a flat line, but you're looking at the curvature of the circle and then you're trying to gauge a release point.

Okay. And even though we have a camera that is, Right across the flat part, the flat top of the circle, which I think lasts for five meters. That, that where you can see where there is no curvature, that that lasts for about five meters before the the circle line starts again. Uh, so trying to sort it out from that particular angle as well.

What angle do we need for this? We probably need over the top, like square on, vertically on, I don't know, like, just right over the top of that in order to be able to see where the release point of that shot is. So I'll go to the three of the comments first for a little bit and then we'll, we'll see what the poll results are.

You saw it live, initially thought it was outside, but then, but then add, no goal outside circle and no touch, but difficult to see directly. Okay, so we've got 50% already, Mike. It's a long way out. Flips to no advice possible. Excellent commentary. Well, no advice possible came from Alicia. He said no reason to change the decision, uh, was what came from Mace.

Matt, can you ask, I don't know. Can you ask a different question? I'll, I'll let you know if I allow it for decisions that close. Should an umpire with VU capability, should they give the goal or not? Give one and check. I see. So should the pitch umpire give the decision? Every clip is getting complicated.

Don't worry. We only have three complicated clips and then we've got things that we're just gonna talk through that are just good lessons to learn. So we're going half and half today. Don't worry. So, Matt, that that is a very. Good question. And that is the reason that I pulled this clip up because we don't know, and I appreciate that I've asked you to put, you know, goal or no goal.

Maybe I should have, you know, asked Cat to put another option in the poll, which was, I don't have a flip and clue. I would've made my best decision at the time and rolled with it. Because I think that's the lesson that we need to take from the situation. And understanding that even at this level where the umpires have video advice, potentially available, but not always means that they do need to go with their gut.

They do need to make a particular decision. Now, the way that we would've played this out if we don't have video advice at the ready is that we need to make a decision. I believe so that we can then get together with our colleague and then have a conversation as to whether they have something more to offer.

Because if we don't go one way or the other, even if we go one way and then our brains go, oh no, I totally got that wrong. You don't want that show in your face, by the way. You don't do what I just did. Go, oh no, you can still make your decision. Stop time, get together with your colleague, and then discuss why it is that you're gonna change your mind.

But if you, your, your colleague may not have anything to give you, just like this, they may be, I got no advice possible for you. So I have nothing that I can add to the conversation. So if you haven't made a decision, where are you? Then you're in nowhere land. And selling. Whatever you try to assert afterwards is going to be a quagmire.

You're really gonna struggle because both teams are gonna be screaming at you each way and whichever way you went, it's because the other team told you to.

Uh, let's see. Luke looking at the footage, you're not surprised by. No advice possible. Yep. For you, you think the ball was still in contact with the sticks and to the circle and that's fair Staijn. What was there laying inside the D? Was it a knee protector? I didn't even notice that.

Probably a knee protector. If the ball's gone outside the circle after initial shot, there's probably something that's just fallen out

and see,

you know, Ernst, I don't think it's about the zoom. I think it's, it's, the problem is, is that you can't, you can't see exactly where the stick contact on the ball and the circle line is in true form because from the side, from any little angle s from side on on that ver that horizontal plane, you're not gonna know that what you need is the top because you need to see separation.

If the camera had been on the opposite side, you may have had a chance. Cuz you need to see the separation of the ball from the stick. I think that's why, uh, Mike McCarney don't, you don't, you two just have private conversations here. That's very rude. There's a whole community out here watching this.

Please talk with everybody. You wouldn't give it unless you're comfortable. It seemed into you, but you wanna check to be sure you go with your gut. You go with your gut. So you don't call goals unless your gut says yes, it's a goal. And clearly that's what Gareth's gut told him. So with a vu, air on the side of caution, by default, don't give a goal and refer.

Well, I mean, but then what if there's no advice possible? You can't, you can't change your mind. If you were, if your gut said goal, but you didn't, and you were cautious, now you have to go, alright, no advice possible. Now I'm gonna make up my decision. How are you going to sell that? You, you're not, you can't

stop talking to Matt or else I'm gonna have to bring him on as a guest, and he keeps refusing to come on. Hey everybody, by the way, peer pressure Matt Harrison into coming on as a guest with me so that we can do this together. You asked for it, Matt, uh, one of your games you stopped trying to discuss before signaling a decision.

Uh, sorry, I'm trying to bring your comment back up, uh, saying that you'd wanna get it right. You don't mind admitting the odd mistake for relationship, but better to be Right.

I think the other problem with that is that you, I think it's, I think it's, it's, oh, I don't know.

I really don't, and I've got a clip later about admitting mistakes. So let's see. We'll reflect back on this at that moment. Okay. Above the D shot will look good for these calls and also for the PC fans. I, I love a spider cam. Oh my God. Love a spider camp. I know. It talks, it, it costs a lot of money though.

Lucy, you'd give the decision you would make with no video umpire available. It's just a backup. And this is, this is the quandary that the top umpires are in right now is they're trying to figure out are there situations in which they should be changing their approach to their regular gut informed decision making?

Because there's a video on par. Should they be changing their default positioning because there's a video on par? Because what if, what if there isn't? Then they're not doing the best service to the game, cuz sometimes the cameras aren't there. Sometimes there's a body in the way. Sometimes something's blurry because the cameras moved in that moment.

It

should be the attacker's responsibility says Alan Doo, to make it clear that the shot is in the D. If there's a dis dispute, then it should be, no goal is not clear.

Isn't there responsibility just to release the shot inside the circle? Make it clear? I don't know. I, I can't say I agree with that. Um, a single camera viewpoint is never gonna help fully. It's a 2D projection of a 3D space. Oh, now we're getting technical. Yeah. You'll always need more cameras to help on get multiple views to help map the 3D space.

Okay. Okay. Hash shed graphics programmer, I see you. I see you. Palmore. You get to make this type of call in indoor a bit with the slip flicks at the PCs on the stick in the air, but over the line. Too hard to tell though, with the frame rate and the angle. Yeah, the frame rate, this is 25 frames per second because, It's coming from Oceana and that's what their frame rates are, which is even five frames less than what I'm getting from European matches, which is also about half, actually not even half, but a quarter of what really we should be getting, which is 120 frames per second in order to actually see these things.

But this is what we have to work with, sorry to say. Uh, you can only self-refer if you give the goal. That's not actually not true if there's a question as to whether it should be a goal. So if you don't give the goal and you have the ability because it's a stop place situation, you haven't given the goal and then you refer, should I have given a goal there, you can do that.

That's my understanding. Somebody's about to correct me if I'm wrong,

is a possible outcome. No advice possible. You have to make the call on the pitch and refer. Hi Irene. You would like to send a certain video, Irene, I would like to receive a certain video. Please come over to the Discord server and you can ask that in Ask f h U, and that will upload the video. That's the best way to do it, unless there's some reason because there's minors involved and you don't have a release or something like that.

And then you can do that privately. But I'd prefer it's, it's just easier for me to get everything into the Discord server. So if you need help with that, Cat will message you and get you all set up. And the link is fhm umpires.com/ds. That's the best way to do it. Let's upgrade all our broadcast equipment to enable 360 freights for second.

And the GB player reaction was passive. Uh, rock paper. Si. Scissors options. Sebastian, that's pretty. There you go. Oh, and look, Palmore has done it. Thank you, sir. Even with frame by frame, you still need more than one point of reference. Yeah, that's, there you go. That's what we did in Cardiff says, Jade, we got that completely wrong.

And I don't need your help. I'm gonna ask you anyway. Been there. Jamal says, substantial gut says no.

No. Can't get a clear view if the ball was, yeah, exactly. So there we go. Thank you Colonel. Thank you very much. I, I agree. Matt would be delighted. I Fantastic. So send me a WhatsApp, Matt, let's get it going. Oh, this is awesome. I love peer pressure so much. Fraser, when inner out the circle is so important. Is it a crane camera overlooking the line?

Important enough? You tell me. You know what I think is also worth the cost. Neutral umpires on Pearl League matches. I think that's very worth the cost, but apparently the F I H disagrees.

I told you guys that it was a slippery slope and that they were gonna feel free to ignore neutrality whenever it, I don't know, helped the budget out a little bit and it's been happening and very, very,

wait. Wait. That's the wrong, it didn't go on the right scene. It was supposed to do this. Hang on, come on, Maine. This is awkward. It won't go to my main scene.

I think my life is broken.

And now from my round to the week

to be completely clear. I will defend every single umpire who's ever put in a situation where they are asked to do a match, where they are not a neutral party at such high professional pro league levels. Okay? This is not about the umpires. They don't have a choice. They're doing what they've been asked to do and to refuse doesn't go very well for anybody just saying, ask me how I know.

But here we are. We are quite far after our recovery in our what would, what would it call endemic, period. And we have non-neutral on umpires being appointed, and I'm mad.

That's the end of my round.

Um, the, there's no excuse. There's no excuse. You gotta date with the king next week. Okay. The week after them. It's settled. There you go. Uh, no. Yeah, we always, and, and I understand there has to be a point of, of moderation and even when the technology gets better and we've all read, we've already read the analysis from other sports like sports ball and sports bat and sports Puck and all the other sports, that even when the technology gets better and more and more certain, the, the experience of the end viewer, the experience of the fan, the person for whom we are serving, ultimately all of us.

By participating in this amazing sport is poorer and creates more controversy and more divisiveness and more anger because they expect a higher level of accuracy and they don't always emotionally understand it. They don't understand or accept the technology that displays to them that maybe their side should.

So having spent more money and put more technological interventions into place doesn't always solve our problems, friends, and this is what we have to think about. Okay.

I am well behind in the comments because the rant has occurred and there you go. Okay. The rant, there he is. Hey, look, if these are friendly games, that's fine. I. When there's relegation on the line and they're qualifying for Olympics and World Cups on the backs of this tournament, well, how is it gonna go for the umpires?

We've been so lucky that almost, almost universally, there's been no controversies in those particular matches. That isn't by design. That is sheer luck. All we need is one decision involving one particular country, and we're gonna get our butts kicked. And I don't wanna see any umpire ever put in that kind of position ever.

It's true. Where's the light button for Earth's comment? Oh, it's not a yes or no question. There you go. Tell me when you're coming on the show. Exactly. There you go.

Um, Well if, if they're continuing to go back to what the Pro League always should have been, which is a Pro Tournament, which is a Champions trophy. We had a Champions Trophy and it was really good. It was a great tournament. It was exciting. It was the best teams in the world. It was action packed. It was compressed.

It was so like, it was amazing. And then they ditched it for this and now they're going back to it because Whoa, it worked. It worked. You need to refresh. Sebastian. I've got 17, which is not enough. Not enough.

And any game. Australian New Zealand is nether, nevertheless friendly. Steffan riff on Anzac Day. Okay. I'm staying out of the politics and all that kind of stuff. There you go. Okay. Um, that was a really long, short poll. End clip. I'm not great at my job. Ending the poll. Two minute warning.

Don't panic. Those are the last poll results. Use hockey is here. Did I say that correctly? Use hockey. Hi, it's good to see you. Tell me more about yourself. Where are you from? What's your real name and what can I call you or do I just call you? Use hockey? I'm okay with that too. It's YouTube. It's where it goes.

Okay, so 61% went with a goal and 38% said No. Agree. I agree. My gut would've said yes that the ball was released in the circle, I think. And basically I just think Gareth got a lot of decisions right There we are. Is this gonna work? I. No, it, my, my scene got corrupted yet again. It's okay. Everybody, I've got a copy though.

I've got a copy of my Scene two Ranson show. Look. Am I wrong? Okay, topic three. Let's do it. Go to ground green areas.

But they're not a Harmon Pre. They're not. Oh my God. It's the same game. They're not, uh, look, it was a good game for topics. Those, uh, and they can't show who. It's two. It looks like Sam. To me. It's Sam. Hi. Who's heading off? He's just gone. Has fallen over. Thank you's. Fallen over, says Mace. Okay, Paul.

Is this just a regular free hit for the defense? I believe GBS on defense at this point. I sure hope. I, I might have just said free hit because I couldn't even be. Yes. Yes. GBS on defense. And then you have, uh, a free hit, a five minute yellow card, a 10 minute yellow card, and something, something else is another option.

There it is. Green card. Green card is also an option. I'm here to expand our minds and our choices. So let's hear what you have to say on this. The things that I want you to notice, okay, is that we do not have a situation where there is a ball carrier in possession of the ball attacking in any direction in particular who is being tackled by a defendant.

Tell me if that triggers any thoughts for you. Your name is Yusuf Yu for short. You're a level two looking to progress into the MPR in the coming season. Well, it's great to meet you. Very nice to meet you and I'm, I'm glad you're here. So, DJ Airhorn that, I think Anne's last name is Yusuf, so that's confusing for me, but don't worry, I'm gonna, I'm gonna be able to keep this straight in my mind.

Anwar is one of our, uh, F h e three T yellow members and was with us in Amsterdam at the E H C O trophy and did a great job. Just letting you know, just having a little more caffeine over here. While I'm waiting for your comments on this, what do you think of this particular situation? I'm back on the ma friends.

I'm not drinking black tea with milk and sugar because, I had so much sugar on my trip with the yellow group. I came back and my whole body was a, just a ball of bloated sugar mass. I wasn't very happy about that. So health kick,

Mr. Denman. It looks reckless, but not intentionally physical, just stupid. So five for you. Okay. Well, that's, that's a format of logic.

I mean, Alan, yes. A, sorry. I, I wanted to say you know, his proper name so that use could understand exactly where we were at. But yes, we had nicknamed him a, because he can't handle spicy food.

Oh, the, the rose was responsible for a lot of the sugar as well. Unfortunately that was part of it.

Oh, Mr. Dolby. Look, I'm not here to tell Prolia umpires how to track their cards. I mean, I don't even use, I don't even write on a card. I write on my hand. But that's because I'm on training wheels when it comes to props and accessories. It's just the way I am. So for Raj, you're saying a free hit defense and a five minute yell to the attacker.

Excellent. It's true. You see? Can't handle spicy food. It was very funny. But he is a lovely human. So I drank so much tea on tour. Cat says You stole and borrowed a kettle from the hotel to take it to the field. Just for me. Yeah, it was true. It was true. Um, let's see, red is running into black. So black doesn't take red down says urine.

Okay, so what would your, what would you make of that then? What would your, what would your decision be?

You won't be the first, won't be the first crime in the name of T. Um, use. So we have this discord server. I don't know if you've heard about it. Fhm pars.com/ds and I absolutely love making new friends and so does everybody else in the community get your butt in there. It's where all the cool kids are.

Look, everybody in the chat pretty much is in the Discord server except Jade. Jade needs to come into the Discord server. Jade, would you get into the server please? The attacker's going to ground, deliberately trying to deflect or slide and stop the ball. Either way, a 10 minute yellow card. Okay, so what are we looking for for the automatic 10 minute yellow card, or are you saying this isn't necessarily an automatic 10 minute yellow card, but you'd give it anyway because it's not just going to ground, is it because I could go to ground anywhere on the pitch.

I clicked on the wrong black and white logo. I could go to ground anywhere on the pitch with nobody around. That's not an automatic tenement yield card. Few other things have to happen, right? I have to go to ground, I have to bring a player to ground in doing so with that body contact and the player has to be in possession of the ball.

Uh, there you go.

Fraser, A match card? No, cuz I, I, I write it on my palm, so I'd have to, I'd have to get a match card tattooed on the palm of my hand. That sounds painful. There you go. Um, let's see. Um, as a Brit, stealing a kettle is not a crime. No, it's just, it's just Tuesday basically. Um, Simon, the black player not sliding into player looks like he's misread the line and it's a hit to red.

So Simon, you Simon die. You wouldn't call, you wouldn't award any personal penalty at all. Dutchie Mc, Dutch, he's gonna bring the law into it. Let's go. You're not sure what actually happened. You wish the side view start a few seconds earlier. Yeah, that's very helpful. You'd like to know when and where the attacker went to ground.

Yeah, it's, it's, the direction is not brilliant on that Yaron, does the black player play the ball with the body? I hadn't considered that option.

Hmm. Let's watch this replay really, really slowly, really carefully. Let's see if I can freeze and

I don't think so from looking at that.

It looks like he's got contact with the ball and the stick, but maybe

I should have messaged Gareth and asked him, why did you call this? I don't like to, I don't like to do that, but just clearing up that ambiguity might, might have been helpful. What do y'all think?

Um, Fraser knows Fraser's in the servant. Jade needs to know. JB could not avoid the New Zealand player on the ground. Shayne. Uh, so New Zealand calls the DA cause the danger, so a 10 minute yellow card. Again, you saw this live New Zealand player in open space, which he owns, goes to ground defender following no intent from New Zealand to bring the GB player down.

Don't like lack of discretion in the current current island. Okay, so we're getting closer to where I'm going with this. The way that I want you all to make this decision, one of the points that we revisit over and over again when we look at the guidance about slide tackles, even though the briefing itself, and let's see if I can, uh,

it won't be that one. I'm not sure if I have the, the briefing handy with the slide tackle, the 10 minute yellow card guidance, but let's see. I might be able to find it really fast.

Do, do, do, do, do, do.

But the wording in the, in the briefing is that we're looking for a tackle, which briefing wording is a little bit confusing because it says tackle against either a defender or an attacker. And here, I'll just smack it right up onto this.

Once it downloads out of Google Drive, come on, come on. You can do it. Oh no. I know why it won't, cuz I actually shut down Google Drive cuz I'm live streaming. Let's see what happens with my, uh, bandwidth. But the, the notion that a tackle can be committed. By either an attacker or defender has never made sense to me.

You have to be a defender because the definition of tackle under the rules of hockey are that you are a defender attempting to dis dispossess an attacker from the, from possession of the ball. You, you can't, you can't tackle if you're an attacker. It doesn't that, that's not how this works. That's not that math doesn't math.

So I have always felt, and in my hockey, heart and gut, I've always felt that there's a distinction between someone who is carrying the ball and in the position of being an attacker who is vulnerable to players, going to ground in an attempt to dispossess them of the ball because they are trying to dribble a ball.

But if you don't have possession of that ball and you're not trying to dribble it, and you can see you've got less vulnerability, You can see players who are going to ground the equation works differently. In my view. It's not that an attacker who was sliding in order to try to get possession of a like intercept ball trying to make a reception, it's not that, that would never be a 10 minute EL card.

It very well could be depending on the recklessness and the angle and whether the defender can protect themselves and all that sort of thing. But if there are variables, as Godders alluded to, if there are reasons why you'd say, you know what, that just isn't as dangerous as if that that player in red Stanford has possession of the ball and is dribbling, and then the player comes and slides into them in that manner.

That is. That feels different than this situation where the defender does see the player in front of them, but doesn't have a lot of time to react whatsoever and try to stay out of the way. So the purpose of the guidance is to try to get players to stay on their feet in situations where they could be reckless as to the safety of their opponents.

And the guidance for the mandatory 10 minute EL card is to try to make sure that in most particular situations, we're definitely getting that outta the game. Is that one of those situations? Is this a mandatory 10 minute EL card situation? And for me, no, it is not because the defender is not in the same position of vulnerability.

Is this still a reckless attempt? Is this reckless having a defender right on your back? Who's marking you? And going to ground like that in a way that could, I mean, he's got no time to react. Basically,

he's trying to get under the ball, and, I mean, this happens very quickly, but he's reacting as best he can. He's able to accommodate a little bit, but it's still a reckless slide that ends up creating body contact and takes a player to ground, but it doesn't fulfill all the three requirements of a mandatory 10 minute EL card.

So for me, it's a five minute EL card, and that just happens to be what Gareth Greenfeld awarded. Let's end the poll and see what you, what you all thought.

41%. Were just going with a free hit. My goodness. Friends. Oops, oops, oops. That didn't work out. My screen capture didn't get it. I instead got Mike Max comment about how he's gonna miss the rest of this. So

this is the formal poll results. 41% just wanted a free hit. 38% went with the decision on the field, which was a five minute yellow card. 17% we're looking for the 10 minute and 2%, the free hit and the green card. Okay. So really for me that's, that's a fairly even split between, it's just a free hit to Yeah.

That needed a card. Okay. But I hope in working through that, that helped. Let's see what everybody else says about this. Where are we at? Itch needs more water. I don't think that was the problem. For Nick it was a reckless play. Such a sliding tackles, another overly physical challenges by field players which take an opponent to ground, which have the potential to cause injury and should attract appropriate match.

It's, this doesn't fulfill the goods. Okay. Alistair, you feel the good to see you by the way. Uh, you feel the block paper took a risk and ended up slipping. Therefore, I, I don't think he ended up slipping. I think he took the risk of going to ground. He, he was in full control of his body. I think thereby bring a player, the opposing team down and it's a free hit and a five minute ill for you.

I agree. Doesn't look like sliding as the briefing intends. So if you give a card it's because you think it's reckless and the danger to the defender as such that the attacker should have refrained very well reasoned Dutchy Mc Dutch. So I have to agree. I know, I know, I know what the guide, I know what the guidance says, but what I'm saying is,

Wow. And now this scene is a complete mess as well. Do, do, do, do, do, do. Can you, you guys can still hear me, so don't panic. Don't panic. There it is. I don't know what's going on. So, Matt, I'm very aware that the guidance says attackers or defenders taking slides, but that doesn't make sense because it says attackers or defenders tackling and you can't tackle if you're an attacker.

It doesn't math and it shouldn't math. So I'm aware if anybody goes with a 10 minute yellow card, they're probably going, yay, black and white. I think it's wrong, and I've made it. Abundantly clear over the last two years or more.

Look, I can't, I can't bring up any of my comments because my camera's in the way. There we go.

That's funny. See, I got that joke. I got that joke. Read even raise his hand to claim a foul and then runs into black. In your view, black does not slide into red. He doesn't. Yeah. Well, and again, where is that? Where is that line? And to me, it's not that you have to slide into, but he's, even though he's sliding away, he's still sliding in the same path that Red can't avoid, I don't believe.

Okay. You're not a 10 minute yell card on this, says Mike back. Uh, McCartney. Thank you. But you can see the merit in the five minute. Thank you. Oh, okay. Williams here. Everything's fine. Uh, one in, one out. No nightclub rules. There you go. What if this was a goalie in the D? Yeah, same call. If this was a goalkeeper in the D, that would be a five minute yell card for me in a

You're welcome. Uh, yeah. Only one Mike Mack or Mac in at a time. Yeah. Okay. Good. I don't know what's happening. Thank you. It's a good thing that I've been doing this for so long that I just don't panic when technology lets me down.

That's fine. And that's why you're gonna be a great guest when you come on in two weeks.

Alright. Was that number three? That was number three. Okay. Shorter ones to come. Thank goodness cuz I only have 10 minutes left. I wanted you to hear this, so listen up to the conversation on this perfectly executed strong flat, one hand reverse from

different to plate. Martha Taylor takes the ball. Greta Hayes runs it into the challenge long corner given, Hey, I hope everybody heard that verbally executed strong flat, one hand reverse from Herwe, but we've got the foul that gets, or the sideline ball gets given here. Okay, now listen to Amber's communication a different class today.

You're not five. And she points the player then puts up her hands and backs away. Martha Taylor takes ball. Greta Hayes runs in into the challenge long corner. And then Amber even goes so far as to say, well done red long corner. And so she's like, you know, fine lines here, but it's okay. But she's acknowledging that the defender had heard her, had done what she asked, and it resulted in better hockey.

Okay, this is what proactivity can generate, is better hockey, less penalizing, fewer gotcha moments. And that's what we want in our game is just good flow, good skill, and the best hockey that teams can play. Uh, let's see. I'm just gonna go back to my main scene. Sorry, I have to do this very. Like this because Noah has a question.

Is there any situation that that could have ended up with a green? Mm, probably not because of the choice to go to ground and because of the recklessness, the level of danger that that presents to the opponent. I think you're always looking at a yellow card. It's just, for me, the question is five or 10.

Harrison is definitely 10 all the time. Every time. And I think that's just not, I don't think that's in the spirit of the game and I think players don't like it.

Giving facts, but not instructions. Exactly. There you go. Must be Kiwi. Must be. Okay. Here's another clip. Building rapport after Mistakes. Mr. Greenfield, yet again. Fitted into definitely Australian mindset and the penalty corner being given. I should blown it's, that's my fault. Okay. I should have blown it.

Well up in the end. Lovely Greenfield. That's my fault. I should have blown it earlier. Just diffusing air issue with there at all. It's a great save from mozzarella, I think that takes a little touch in front of him from Collins as it comes in. Little dink and he gets on top of it, deflects it right up.

Umpire fitted into Australian mindset there. It's, it's one of those moments, it's early in the game. We're only five minutes into the first quarter and it's an opportunity for Gareth to establish the rapport and I, I think he's absolutely right that he doesn't want to try to play that on and. The level of danger that it does end up being there is, you know, it is, is clear and apparent, but it's probably would've been a little bit difficult to see with the sun the way it was and all that kind of thing.

When these moments happen. The manner that Gareth uses to diffuse the situation is very important, and we saw him in the very first clip, how he was able to diffuse the situation with, I Got it, and he was a little more firm and a little more present, maybe physically in that situation, getting in the middle of everybody and making sure nothing untoward happened.

But in this situation, he just stays very calm. He doesn't over emote, he doesn't giggle, he doesn't, you know, he doesn't try to make light of it. He's just very sincere and saying, it's my fault. And he says the words very precisely. It's my fault. I should have called it when it was up in the air. That's my bad.

And that is the kind of manner the players can really respect. So think about when there are moments that that might be a tool that you can use in your games to diffuse tougher situations. Okay. The last series of clips that I wanted to go through is talking about this, which is changing your management mindset.

There's been some discussion on the socials about this, and I want you to consider this. Again, Gareth and Steve though on GB Australia, a really good game and the, Hey, we are with three minutes left in the first quarter of the game, quite see who it was. And if you were watching the game along with me, this was the first opportunity for an intervention.

Okay. GB player dribbling along and gets intentionally broken down by the player. Just off to the right whistle. Timing is impeccable and the player gets sent off immediate with a green card. That was the number one time. We're now a minute and a half later. Territory, territory, territory, CT and Gareth picks up right where Steve left off and calls a green card for this tackle coming in from the side breaking down.

Okay. They're not big tackles, we said they're not. Oh my God. And you might be tempted in your matches. Safe. I'll get the next one. We're now in the second quarter. Good example thing, as we said with open debate about rules and playing the ball away after the whistle. Cricket, the laws of cricket, for example.

There it is. It leads the evolution of the game. Good example, cricket hard given player goes off nothing. Two minutes left in the second quarter. Now the slip, playing the ball after the whistle. Now this was hard to see in the moment and I am extrapolating from the situation, but I believe the Australian player played it with his foot and then it got played off the GB player's foot.

Okay? So right there at that moment I believe from the whistle timing and the reactions of the players,

and then you had all of the third quarter and most of the fourth quarter, and then a GB player plays the ball afterwards, card going off, get sent off with his green card and that's it. So we did this in our watch party and we went through, and I was watching this for the first time with the people who were there.

And when the first card came out here in this moment, I was like, yes, got it. Nailed it. Excellent. I can't wait to see what happens next. And then we had the next card come out a minute and a half later for the next intervention. And it was the, it was the next time, the next time things were dealt with.

And to me, I don't remember, as I was observing this match, a moment where play was broken down and it wasn't dealt with, and this was an excellent match. Was it the most intense match? Was it World Cup, you know, bronze, gold medal, semi-final level of quality? Of course it wasn't because it's pro league and the players don't care.

But was it competitive? Was it flowing? Was it fast? Was it enjoyable to watch? Yes, it was. And it was because the umpires did their job at the moments that they did. So when I'm talking about our mindset, some of the conversation I hear and the comments that I hear and that I've, when I was younger, came outta my mouth too, was, oh, I don't wanna make it about me.

Or I'm a player's umpire. I love that one. I'm a player's umpire and I don't need to give cards, throw them around like confetti. Some umpires like to say, I can use my voice, I can talk to the players and convince them of what they need to do. But when you are a player's umpire in the sense that you let a player off the hook for affecting the play and having an impact on the quality that is about, that could have been shown.

But for that action, who are you serving? Are you serving the game? What about the opponents of that player? All of them. Are you a player's umpire for them as well because you are not dealing with the thing that made their game worse.

To me, you're letting down everybody else on the pitch and not giving the players what they deserve, which is a clear indication of what they should be doing in the future. And. Now that we don't just have personal penalties, aren't just messages, they are actually team penalties because of the suspension, particularly now on the green card.

We have to adjust. We have to get rid of that old fashioned thinking that says that we're just sending messages. There's more to it than that, and the teams who are in front of you deserve to have a clean flowing game that they are playing to the best of their ability within the rules. Take your opportunities early.

Now, I will absolutely agree that at different levels of play when you're not here at these lofty levels, that your first intervention may not be the card. I get that. But there better be an intervention. There better be something. There better be a whistle tone there. Better be communication. You better be making it clear to everybody when it's junior players.

You better be taking that moment as best you can to explain to those players what it is about their action that was unsafe, that was breaking down good flowing hockey.

And think about even with junior players as you move on in the match, are you doing them a favor by allowing them to continue to misunderstand the rules of hockey? Are you serving the rest of the players on the pitch by letting one person break the rules of hockey in a way that is reckless, that is dangerous and stops good hockey from being played?

Okay, think about those.

He, he did have a great game. Steve had a great game as well. That, that, that Australia GB game was just chef's kiss for me. Um, let's see. Scott, an opportunity you use to build rapport is when you may point the wrong way for a sideline at halftime, after halftime, you apologize. Set the scene and make sure it's fair.

Yes, and setting, resetting the play and making sure that the right team can, you know they're not caught out is really important. So there you go. Um, let's see.

Aren't you lucky

effective interventions? I like That's good languaging. I like that a lot. Okay. You never know. They're so fast playing on who registers the card and keeps time here. Okay, so Yarin, they have a technical table who is controlling the time and registering the card. And I mean, at least the way that I did it when I was on the pitch at this level is that I wouldn't write down the card until my next opportunity.

And you know, maybe my matches were even a little bit slower than this. So I'm, I knew that I didn't have to worry about time when I kept time on international matches. It was just so I knew if I wasn't able to observe what was happening with the score clock, that was up and around. And some of the venues I was at didn't have a score clock, so I needed that in order to know.

And back in those days, because it was back in the snow and ages, we weren't stopping time on penalty corners. So that was a thing to go. And Luke is probably answering all of those technical questions right there. So when you're umpiring at the level where you need to be stopping time, you need to be recording the card.

Take your time, take the time that you need in order to get that done. Okay? And if you're in a jurisdiction where they have a little bit of what I would call willful confusion as to whether you should be stopping time to give green cards, stop. Time to give green cards. Fifth rant. Look at that. Isn't that amazing?

Because you deserve the opportunity to make sure everything's set the right way, and you do not want play to just restart and off you go when you are not looking. Cuz any manner of chaos could erupt. Stop time. Little beep on your match gear on your watch. There's a plug for you Martin Match gear.

Luke, you remember doing your first umpire course and how they described older umpires as card heavy and awarding cards is a sign you've lost control. Don't know how or why that started. Yeah, that's just bad coaching. Uh, cards are not weapons or messages. They're simply here to help the game continue properly.

Yes? Yes. Okay. Get over your ego in wanting to be liked. Nobody cares about your feelings. Okay? Players do not care other than the fact that they could manipulate them. They do not care about your feelings. Nobody cares if you're liked or not. What they care about and when they respect you and when coaches respect you and fans respect you is when you can present and help promote a fantastic game.

That's your job If people happen to like you, because you know, you can crack a joke here and there. Then that's nice, but really they're there for the hockey. And you are there for the hockey. So be about the hockey. The intervention has to be appropriate to the situation, but it has to happen. Yes. And international players should know better, and that's what we need to understand about committing reckless actions as to breaking down the play.

Junior players or inexperienced players may not know how reckless a particular choice is in order to break down the play, but you gotta teach them because otherwise that level of play will not improve. Do you quite like something I said there, which you may take and use? I've had an adverse, yeah. If a player has adversely impacted the game, there's a penalty involved and the other team gets two minutes.

Or five minutes or 10 minutes with a player advantage in order to restore the justice that you don't have any other tools to readdress. Jade, you had a game in the M H l May, you're getting specific now. Don't name and shame. Uh, defender went to ground and took an attacker down and just inside the 23 ball, rolled onto another attacker.

It's now a one-on-one advantage was played, keep her saved well, and play carried on with plan to come back for the card. That same player went to ground, popped up in the d and scored to equalize. Obviously the defenders weren't happy. How would you manage that? I would, I mean, you, you, you just have to do what you can in the moment and it's very difficult for you because you've given the right advantage in that moment.

If you, if you truly had a penalty corner worthy opportunity from that breakdown. If it was as good of an opportunity in that moment, plus the danger was not so much that you needed to stop time right away in order to protect the players. If those two things existed at the same time, then you're okay to play Advantage.

Come back 10 minute Yellow Card, the player who'd scored the goal. It's awful when it happens. It's pretty rare, thank goodness. But yeah, it is awful. But I want you to consider whether playing Advantage truly was, if that one-on-one with the goalkeeper was the same level of opportunity for that team.

That's my question to you, Simon. Die. Both teams are on y'alls for breakdown and play. If it happens again, is this a 10 minute yellow then? Um, I'm not sure where you were at because there were only green cards given in that particular sequence. So because it was breakdown, breakdown for greens, and then two, uh, breakdowns for playing the ball after the whistle.

And actually three cards were true Australia and one to gb. So it, that, that was a little bit, look, don't get picky at me, but does it have to be a 10 minute yellow? Not necessarily. Maybe. Uh, you, so you think the chat prior to the game with the captains is vital? Set the scene, set the standard before the game started.

Uh, okay. So, um, let's see. Okay, I'm only 10 minutes over time, so I'll just take a couple seconds. But I have spoken about this and I think we are over impressed with ourselves. And the impact we can have on a game in that brief. Talk with the captains before the game starts. Uh, I've rarely seen any evidence that the things that I talk about before, a game that gets, that I say to a captain somehow changes anything that happens throughout the game.

You're not gonna be able to teach the players the rules in that moment. And the captains are kind of busy in that moment. They're thinking about their game, they're thinking about their mindset and what they're facing. They're busy sizing up, you know, they're, they're opposite in that moment. They've got the coach's instructions going with them.

They've got that player who arrived late and who's really upset because they're starting on the bench and they've got a lot on their brain and they kind of don't give what we say. So, What's vital to set the scene is your communication with the captain. Only that I am gonna be coming to you throughout this match.

If I need your help and I expect you to help me because we are a team and I'm gonna help you communicate to your team what needs to be done throughout this match. That's it. That's the only kind of communication I expect and something that is maybe technical, like, oh, the sprinklers, they've been having problems with them.

They might go off in the middle of the game, I dunno. Something like that. That's it. That's it. Okay. I want a big five meters. First of all, there's no such thing as a big five meters. There's five meters or there's six or there's four. There certainly isn't a big five meters asking for those things. Come on, you're saying play to the rules of the game,

right? Don't like it. Clear motivational speech. Good. There you go. Mindset. That's, we have so many new Diego. Hi, you're with Luke Dawkin on this one, you had an umpire manager that didn't even see the match, just looked at the official sheet and then come to you and say you lost control of the game at this minute because there are a lot of cards, how can you tell Wasn't even looking at the game, those players didn't wanna play hockey.

Yeah, I, I think it's very dangerous to try to judge a game. I do look at the minutes and compare it to what I've seen to see if, did I actually understand what was happening in the game correctly? What I don't like to see ever. I am very suspicious. Let's put it this way. I'm suspicious when I see green cards getting handed out latent matches.

In my experience, having watched hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of matches over the last five years in particular, is that when I see green cards coming out in the last 10, five minutes of the game for low impact fouls, that is probably the 20th time in that game that fouls happened. The play has been broken down.

The ball's been hit away. It's not the first time and the game has been crappier because of it. It's the pattern. When I see one yellow card coming out near the end of the game, that is more often, but not always, but more often, the cause, uh, caused by a breakdown foul that has a high impact on the play that was done with full knowledge by that player than just saying, yep, I'm gonna stop this from happening.

And they're already walking off the pitch before you've got your card outta your pocket. That is still good hockey, good umpiring, and good, good control because that's fully in the choice of the players. So I, I totally get your vibe though. I'm picking up what you're putting down with with that. Uh, what's your mo rant?

You really don't like the way that some umpire signal First stop time with the green card, but don't actually stop the time. No, but stop time, end of story bonus. Okay. Gotta go do a game. See Jamal and remind them which side of the stick to use. There you go. Yes. And Reggie agrees about that. Yeah. And I hope that helps, um, you, I'll um, I'll link you to some of the other chats that I've given about talking to captains and see if there's more nuggets that you can pull out of that in our discussions on how to do that.

But there you go. Thank you so much everybody for joining in. Um, I think I have a poll. I have a question for you that I am gonna a ask in the Discord, because I'm considering doing a different format of a stream, not to replace this one, but to augment it. In addition to augmenting this stream with the presence of Matt Harrison who has already gone to bed cuz he's an old man and he needs his sleep.

I would like to start, I'm thinking about starting a stream where, uh, we do a live debrief because I have this technology, which sometimes works where I can show somebody's match and have them on screen and be talking to them in real time and have you guys involved. On the other end, would you enjoy, would you find use of a live debrief live stream where you can see in practice how maybe you're an umpire coach or manager and you wanna pick up some different tips on giving debriefs.

If you want to try to match your understanding of how a game is unfolding or how a particular decision or what is impacting particular decisions, compare it to the advice that I'm giving, that sort of thing. If you would like to be a person who is being debriefed live, let me know. We will put this pull up, pardon me, in the discord server and let's see.

It was just an idea, so let's see if you like it. Okay, thank you. And Steffan likes it. All right. And thank you, gods, it's always good to have you Yaron. Very good to have you did. If I didn't blow the air horn for you before, There you go. Couple things to think about. There you go. I'm glad it was helpful. Um, Cat really likes the idea.

There we go. So we'll see. Thanks very much for tuning in. We'll see you next week. Keep being off from up there. Bye.

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