Live Q&A #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 122

📅 June 21 18.00 GMT
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Just about every thorny issue that can arise did in Pro League action this weekend…and that was just in the GBRvGER men's game! We have so much to cover, including a ball hitting discarded protective equipment on the way to the goal, where is the free hit from on danger and obstruction, what does channeling inside the 5m mean, and for good measure: what's a swing and a miss?

It's going to be a rapid one as we work to join the GBRvUSA women's match in progress in another Special All-Access Watch Party right after so make sure to stick with us!

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⏱ Chapter Markers:

00:00 Chair Dancing
04:31 Topics!
05:11 1. VR For Obstruction Before Goal
38:14 2. Sliding Challenges
59:51 3. Shepherding the Ball Off End Line
01:13:42 4. VU Advice Not Taken
01:27:44 5. Dealing With Time-Wasting

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[00:02:44] Happy Wednesday everybody. It is FHumpires, FHU third team, and it's chaos. Hi. It's been a very, very busy week of hockey. I hope you've been enjoying everything. We are almost at the end of the 2023 Pro League season, and I know nobody cares. Okay? I know nobody cares about what actually happens in these games.

[00:03:09] Good news is neither do umpires, okay? But what we do care about are all the opportunities that we've had over the last several weeks, and we still have over the week coming up to continue to learn from the exceptional people who are at the top of the game. So I hope you're taking many opportunities to get involved and hear and watch and do all the learning things because let me tell you, if I'd been able to watch this much hockey when I was coming up through the ranks, I think, I think I could have been better.

[00:03:41] I think it would've been there. Good to see everybody in the comments, but we have a very busy show. So if I don't thank you individually right now, it just means that you're just gonna have to gimme some comments later so that I know that you're around and my sound is too low. Let's see what I can do about that.

[00:04:01] I'm very quiet.

[00:04:07] I don't wanna press that button. Maybe I wanna press this button. How is this doing? Am I louder now? Let's see how we're doing. Thank you everybody for letting me know. I might need a little bit. Oops. Let me know if this is working. I can hear myself better too in my, in your monitor. So I think you're, I think you're all onto something there.

[00:04:31] I think. I think you know what you're talking about. Hang on. And I'm gonna switch this around because it's not a good look. It's not a good look. Much better. Okay, so I figured it out. Yes there. There's always something. There's always something. Okay, let's get onto the topics. I wanna try to get through eight topics, 10 clips, and I've got some rapid fire afterwards.

[00:04:55] Wish us luck. We are gonna talk about some danger on goal shadowing inside the five meters. I hope you're keeping track. Take notes, stick on the ground slash obstruction. Maybe the both things. Where is the free hit taken from aerial into the circle? Uh, diving attacker. Danger on a swing before a goal.

[00:05:20] We've got two clips for that. One. Can you cause danger to a teammate and maybe extra time? So let's see how we get on with all of these. First topic. Coming right up on here. Danger on goal. Let's have a gander at this. Bad boy. He takes this one up. It does go to il. It'll switch, but it's not a good one.

[00:05:45] Falls as far as Gonzales Gonzalez into a circle, but Astras one up fence over the top.

[00:05:57] Okay, so another one, Spain. This was early in the game,

[00:06:05] and we do have a video referral on this.

[00:06:14] Why I, okay. It wasn't a very good penalty corner routine to start with, and they're looking danger. The bull's up there comes off. It comes off. Yep, it comes off the ball stick. All right, so as you can see, it comes off the defender stick and it rises towards the Spanish attacker. The Spanish attacker then is able to take, there's no clear reason to change your decision.

[00:06:48] So the goal stands and they lose the, it looks, take one or two cuts at that ball. And get that headed into the goal. So as you saw in the comments, we have a little bit of a different system this week because we have so many poll questions. Potentially it's, that's not even all the, all the topics have a poll.

[00:07:08] But if you'd like to participate, I'd like to hear your input. And if you're watching this on replay, you're gonna be able to come back and have a look at this as well. It just means that you're gonna have to pop into our amazing Discord server at the address that is in you. You can follow that for a direct invite link.

[00:07:27] I've made it as easy as possible. All you have to do is set up your account, agree to the rules by clicking on the little check mark, emoji reaction, and then you are able to access the polls. So please go have a look at that. That would be really fun. To have your involvement and on replay squad, you can keep going back for the next week to have your input and see.

[00:07:51] So when we're breaking down this kind of situation, we talk very frequently about how dangerous relative to levels of play and as that may be considered to be inconsistent for some observers and say, if the ball's in the air, if it's at head height, it has to be dangerous. And we want those black and whites.

[00:08:18] That can be reassuring, but just as frustrating, I think for everybody who participates in the game. Because black and white does not mean fair. It does not mean safe, and it doesn't mean it's best for the level of hockey that's in front of you. And all of us are there to facilitate the best game of hockey that we possibly can.

[00:08:38] So in this kind of instance, you're gonna look at a few things. You're gonna look at the relative crowd that's around the area of the ball. There's quite a few players there. You're gonna wanna look at the speed at which the ball is coming, and that's all also relative to the skill levels. All these things are relative to the skill levels of the players, the speed of the ball, what direction is the ball coming from?

[00:09:01] Who is nearby, who has caused the initial raise of the ball or the action that took the ball into a dangerous position. And I think what's distracting here in this moment is that the touch that comes off, I think it's 13 there of Spain, that swing from his stick is actually quite controlled. And it's actually the swing that comes from the goalkeeper, piman black tries to, tries to slap this right out of the air.

[00:09:33] Uh, I, I'm sure if I were a goalkeeper, I would try to do exactly the same thing. So the, the danger look to this play actually comes from the defensive team who also was a team that was responsible for putting up the ball. So there's two ways you can handle this. You can look at this maybe as being a, a smart play to call it down early.

[00:09:59] But given that the advantage should continue that you know you want to give advantage, which is the best result to the team that did not foul. I really like the play, the continuing in this situation and trusting the players at this level to do the best they can to be safe. And if anybody actually takes it a little too far, it is the goalkeeper there.

[00:10:21] So I'll look at a couple of your comments here first, and we'll have a look at the polls if anybody's been able to sneak in and have a look. We've got eight votes so far, which is fantastic. So keep getting in there. Those of you who are already in the discard server are definitely have a leg up here, so go take advantage.

[00:10:39] Hi Gary, good to see you. Oh no, Cat is, trust me, she is not out of a job. She is doing so much in the background to make sure that this all goes off. But we are trying to find ways that it. Actually she can do a better job and, and, and keep up with all the things that are happening. Okay. So let me know if you have any, any questions about this.

[00:11:00] Any kind of other, um, concerns or anything like that. I think it's a good referral to take in this instance. Um, you know, why not take a stab at it? But I think if anything had happened, what they would've done is, uh, if it had been overruled, it would've gone back to the INI initial, uh, action that caused the danger, which is playing off the defender's stick.

[00:11:28] So

[00:11:34] these, these sometimes can be, um, what's the best way to describe it? Sometimes you just get lucky, but there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with, with, uh, being lucky in these instances and. We, we want to, in instances where competition levels are high, we wanna give the players the opportunity to compete.

[00:11:57] So I like that there. Jol Cola Evil, who I think is New Zealand. Have I got that right now? Because you mentioned that you'd seen a turf and I know it was New Zealand, so if I've gotten that right, jolt, let me know. It's also sneaky wig. What, what? It's, it's like, you know me, I'm always sneaky. It wasn't the worst the past few days.

[00:12:28] Absolutely. Okay. Yeah, it's, it is, it is one to give a shot at. And in the confusion in the moment. I think what I'd, I'd like to see is more of an acknowledgement that things are happening so quickly and we get to watch this several times in real time and slow down in different angles and all that sort of thing.

[00:12:49] And the players see it once as do the umpires. And so if players could understand that challenge and that their perspective sometimes is, is incredible and they have a view on it that umpires would die to have and then sometimes it's not. That would be very, very helpful I would think. You are. There you go.

[00:13:13] You're up at 6:00 AM Okay. Joel, I'm gonna be so much nicer to you in the future cuz I would be so cranky. All of these people in the chat, they know how cranky I am at 6:00 AM. There you go. And Jamal was full out on the Gulaza. Okay, I'm gonna go for a two minute warning on this and see how the poll is doing.

[00:13:32] This is a new system, friends. Let's see what happens

[00:13:42] if this works. Oh, it hasn't refreshed. Let's see if I have to refresh it, if that's gonna okay. Of course I can't see it there cuz it's too small. So let's see if I can bring it up on this screen. We have 11 votes and 70, 73% of you are saying play on the advantage to the goal and 9% of you would've gone for the danger.

[00:14:08] 9% of you would've tried to call it down for the danger. Look at that. Look at that really cool pie chart. Do you like that? Please let me know. Give me your feedback in the comments. And 9.9% of you, 9.09% of you went for the unnamed option. What was that? Is that, is that my fault? I don't know. Yeah, it's, it, it is risky and I think at anything other than this level, you would have grave, grave concerns and reservations and, and you might be taking different actions in order to make sure that everybody understands their responsibilities here.

[00:14:45] And that includes nobody beating each other up, nobody ever doing that again. You know, many things like that. So there you go. You've done that before and felt guilty afterwards. Yeah. And, and that's the thing is that, that when you haven't had the presence and the experience to be in those situations, at those levels, then we can make mistakes.

[00:15:09] So get to know And Cat likes it. Yeah. Um, you like all pies, but complete the charts. Okay. Thank you very much. Um, it is 20 minutes in, so let's keep moving onto our next topic. Oh, actually, let's go onto an announcement because I still like to fit in these things, especially for good causes. So first of all, we mentioned this last week, Hamish Kinloch is kin, kin, kin.

[00:15:39] I, I'm, I'm sure I'm pronouncing it incorrectly. Hamish is doing umpiring wrong because he's playing. But we can share the news that Hamish has just officially been named to the under 18 Scotland team that will be going to the under 18 European championship. So this fundraiser that, uh, is being held for the team is even more important now.

[00:16:07] We're still mad at them. But we're going to support 'em anyway, so please go have a look at that. And if you are a person like me who believes that umpires develop better when they have the opportunity to participate in the game, but all different levels as a player, as administrators, as other kinds of volunteers, as coaches, we're just better hockey people for it.

[00:16:33] So I support Hamish for now playing, but I can't wait to get him back on the pitch as an umpire. There you go. Yeah, there's an answer without description. Uh, look, if that's the worst that happens today, I'll take it. Okay. Um, yeah, or maybe I did that. I probably did that. You thought it was luck as in la

[00:16:59] Okay. It's funny how you say Laman, like, I'm gonna understand what the hell that is. I have no idea what you're talking about. Anyway. And another thing that was brought to my attention recently is this fundraiser that is happening on July 2nd. Our own yellow member, Mike McCartney, is gonna be umpiring at this game with friend of FH Umpires, best friend of FH umpires.

[00:17:24] He doesn't know it, but Nick Chalky White is, you know, I'm, I'm just gonna make this happen. I know we watch occasionally. He just is, he's just really quiet and looks in the background. Mike and Nick are gonna be umpiring at the Ben Dudley Bowl, which is in memory and tribute to Ben, who really sadly lost his life to a, uh, Hodgkin's lymphoma that was diagnosed in 2017 and lost his battle in.

[00:17:57] April. So they're gonna hold a charity match to raise funds for blood cancer UK on a just giving page. That link is in the description and hopefully coming up in the Yeah, this is perfect. And also in the chat here. So if you'd like to contribute, please give that a consideration because, uh, by all accounts and even just looking through, um, his partner's, uh, Twitter feed, they were very active, uh, and, and his partner still is in the hockey community and just raising money for everybody else.

[00:18:34] And I think there's nothing better than to continue the work that someone who fought so well and with, uh, such joy and appreciation for the time that they had to do tribute to that and try to make that better for somebody else. So please give that a thought. I would love to see that. Okay, let's move on to, oops.

[00:19:01] See, I told you something would happen. There we go. Okay, our next topic here, we're racing shadowing inside the five meters. Now I have two clip examples. I'd love to, well, it's that of the ball and she legally cuts the, the trail defense off by drawing the ball left to right and yeah,

[00:19:28] no.

[00:19:32] So from Belgium, Australia, earlier in the week, the free hit is taken and you can see the Belgian, uh, defender who committed the foul was caught within the five meters initially. And she follows the play. She doesn't just follow the play, but she follows the play very closely and doesn't ever disengage.

[00:19:52] So there is. This, this, uh, you know, a few terms that we use in the English language, but, you know, there's probably several ways to describe this. We can call it channeling, we can call it shadowing. If the player is so far away is or is far enough away that when they are following, they are not influencing the play whatsoever, then you don't have to, or that that couldn't, that shouldn't be considered an infringement in this case.

[00:20:26] But what we have here is very much some pressure and some channeling that's going on. And the lack of disengagement for the umpire in question here is Cindy Lou from China. She is, uh, right on top of this, and even though the ball has traveled five meters from where the free hit was taken, there was never a disengagement.

[00:20:54] And so we don't strictly look for the player to move five meters away from the player is moving, but they have to disengage away out of that five meter travel space. So hopefully that works. And my goodness, the poll link is pinned above. So I wonder, do we have a poll on this one? Did I take a poll on this one?

[00:21:17] Yes we did. Okay. You gotta vote really quickly on this gang, and I know there's a, a lag and there's a delay, but you're gonna have to get your, your ideas in really, really quickly. Two windows open the whole thing, and hopefully you can give me feedback on that. So let's just have a quick look at this and see how it's gonna be less than two minutes in this case, cuz we're gonna go on very, very quickly.

[00:21:45] Okay. So now what I have to do is I have to go to.

[00:21:53] Oh look, I can see like all the votes. Okay, let's go to the next. Wait. That's danger on goal. I need to see the next one.

[00:22:08] It's not showing me the next one. It's almost as though I could have tested this beforehand, but that seems really, I mean really, is that, is that what I have to do here is test?

[00:22:28] Uh, yes. It's a different link altogether. There we go. Let's see how we're doing. So 75% of you agree free hit attack and a green card. That's excellent. 25% of you would only award a free hit attack. So what I'd like you to consider, for those of you who weren't on the side of giving a card, now at your levels of play, you may need, the best intervention you can take is to give a warning.

[00:22:58] It might be there that you want to be able to educate the players. They really don't understand what they can or cannot do. But when you start getting to higher levels of play where they really do understand, but they try to pretend they don't, if they have full control or most control over their running path.

[00:23:21] So for example, they're not stumbling, they're not. Um, they're not off balance or something like that. If their action is reckless as to the result of causing a breakdown of play, we're gonna want to intervene on that. And it could well be that higher levels of play. You're going directly to that personal penalty.

[00:23:45] It depends.

[00:23:54] I appreciate that you are voting into the future without even seeing the play first. Okay. That is very funny. Two votes I, I mean, it was probably like me and Cat testing or something like that, but there you go. So Steven, how far would you say the ball has to travel for, you'd ignore that channeling I think in the past.

[00:24:12] Do you recall a discussion? Probably a year ago on the Discord that 10 nanometers was generally fine. I'm not sure if I remember anything like that, but. I guess part of the issue is it completely depends and I hate giving, it depends answers, but it really does completely depend on where the attacker is traveling, what kind of options they have available, how are they disadvantaged, where is the best channel for attack, you know, vis-a-vis the options that they have.

[00:24:40] There's just so many things that come into it, Steve, that I don't think I could say one way or the other. Um, and it's not about distance. You really just have to feel it. I'm, I would also be really interested in understanding why any attacker would be dribbling that long, like 10 meters and just, I mean, they must have so much space, uh, around them.

[00:25:09] So, you know, my mind starts turning into all the different hypotheticals and all the different scenarios you can see. That probably isn't going to pan out the way that I'm thinking in my head and the way you're thinking in your head. So that's why we always try to look at video, go through the, the process of here are the principles, this is what we're gonna look for, so that we're practicing those principles against what we see so that we can apply them better in our next game.

[00:25:37] So I hope that helps. Uh, Steven, you're on your phone so you can't vote, but that's a free hit attack and a card every day for you. Excellent. Thank you. And I appreciate you making the comment anyway. I understand that if you're on a phone and unless you have multiple devices or you wanna flip away, if you're on YouTube premium, I highly recommend it.

[00:25:56] By the way, you could have that window, you should be able to have your, your YouTube window, you know, still open and hovering above if you, if you're on an iPhone, I don't know how other phones work. Are there other phones? I don't know. And you can, um, you can go into other apps like your browser and. We're into discord and you could vote.

[00:26:17] So just saying, okay, let's go to Yes. Time to download Discord on your phone. Ah, very true. Okay, here's our next scenario. Great steal from, which is another, but different example. Has to release him. Did he get fired? He wasn't, but his stick was, the thing is he's, he's the game that kept on getting with many, many SNS faces and reach and then he, he covered that five meters.

[00:26:46] Yeah. We've got a better angle on a replay here. Where the tackle was made was probably five meters. What's the reach there? He's behind him. Cat, you know about time He looked okay. From up here. Now has to release him. Did he get He wasn't, but his stick was. The thing is, so given what we saw in the last scenario and we see where the defender tracks back.

[00:27:11] Now, what kind of channel are they occupying this whole time? Are they influencing where that attacker can go as they are backing away? That is part of what we need to consider. Okay, so I'm just gonna try to key this up. While you're thinking and you're voting, this should be this one right here.

[00:27:45] Okay? And I'm gonna put this on, I'm gonna put this on. Oops.

[00:28:01] Okay.

[00:28:07] So if you're an attacker here, The best line that you're looking for is straight into the circle.

[00:28:20] So for me, as this is playing through, this defender is always active and they're backing up straight through what I think is probably the most appealing channel. So even though they do wait five meters, I think, you know, more or less, that's five meters in between those two spaces before he attempts to tackle.

[00:28:51] I think that he's never disengaged or he's never stopped influencing the play here. Okay. I'll be interested to hear what you all think about that as well.

[00:29:09] Okay. Hey, Shayne, good to see you. You would've missed it and let play on. But you get, okay. And that's, that's why we're rehearsing, that's why you're, we're practicing these things. Okay? So I am gonna take a look at, I am gonna, Cat, it looks like I'm gonna have to make, um, I'm gonna have to make new links for every single one of these.

[00:29:34] Duly noted, duly noted.

[00:29:47] But I do love that you're voting, everybody. So for all of the, let's see, nine of you who took the vote. Let's see how we're doing here. Hopefully this is the right one. Maybe up to 11.

[00:30:08] I'm okay. Nose malfunction. Okay, pull B data. I got it. Okay. So nine votes I have to refresh so I can see where we're currently at. Let's see some more comments here while that's happening, uh, the defender's ahead and yeah, on the ideal route. Thanks, Dean. I agree. Jolt not only does the retreating defender never disengage, that first stick swing looks like it misses the ball and impacts the attacker's legs.

[00:30:39] Maybe. Um, there you go. Well, and yeah, it's about languaging. Okay. Just stand. I, I, okay. Somebody else has to pronounce that for me so I know what that means. Okay. But of the 12 votes that I've got in front of me now, And if I refresh it in here, then we have, uh, two thirds of you looking for the penalty corner there and a third of you looking to play on.

[00:31:15] Totally understandable. And if you feel like that has changed for you, once you hear an explanation, then you know, guess what? Unlike the YouTube polls, you can change your vote here. That's not the important thing. The important thing is I just want you to go through the exercise of thinking it through and then we can move to the next.

[00:31:34] Um, you know, you, you can, you can just apply that thinking and do that exercise for yourself. Okay? More announcements.

[00:31:49] I didn't screw that up there. Mr. Denman, on the topic of the pc, would you blow it As soon as the defender started retreating the exact line, rather than wait until he tried to play it? I might. I would try to read in that moment exactly how much disadvantage there is and what opportunities exist for that attacker to do something else that's constructed with the ball.

[00:32:11] So if in that moment I see a good available pass, I am going to give it that, that opportunity. But of course if that pass then gets cut off by that retreating defender because they put their stick down and they try to block it, well you know, now you have a completely sellable pc but you might be able to to to see that continue.

[00:32:37] So that's how I would look at that. Alright. As we've talked about in other weeks, don't forget, we are pre-selling the F H U 13 Matt shirt, pre-sales and the sale pricing on pre-sales. On the sales of the sales of the sales, 15% off until July 1st. So we are making sure we are gathering that interest to know exactly how many we can order.

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[00:34:12] All righty. Oops. I need to, I need to make sure I take that off the screen before I go ahead. Okay. Let's see. Where are we at here? This was a really interesting little scenario, and if you can follow wing fhm par food allow you, you know what the answer to this is? Jump out and about. The stick was on the floor.

[00:34:38] I, Germany gonna, no, it's, it's part of pitch and it's a German referral Stick is on the ground. They think it's interfered with clay. I feel it's part of the pitch. They also want an obstruction, so you could just check the situation. There is no foul just cause of the, they also want an obstruction. Fouls completely.

[00:34:58] This just so cute. Sorry Ally. That was a terrible, I can't see it in first. Terrible attribute to your accent, which is gorgeous. Stick comes outta the hand isn't a foul. LA and Ki has explained this really clearly, but as Waller comes in here, is that an obstruction or is the ball still in play?

[00:35:21] That's then a back stick of the base line. Obviously can tie Clancy anything in here to give the corner. So what we're looking for this situation is an understanding first that dropping the stick as opposed to throwing the stick is not an offense. Yeah. Oh, no, no. You'll have time if it's, yep, yep, yep. The ball hasn't hit the stick, but there is obstruction as he's, as he's dribbling past.

[00:35:49] So you can award a penalty corner and they keep the referral. Okay. So it's not Okay. A lot of things to like about that explanation from, uh, Tyler client Canadian, by the way, who, uh, did a nice job of just quickly pointing out that it is not a foul when the ball hits the stick that is on the ground, but in the act of picking up the stick in the way that the stick came up, it actually did slightly obstruct.

[00:36:15] And there was also a hand, you know, he's, um, if that's, uh, wall Wallace Waller, one of the walls, um, you know, in, in order to, to grab the stick that's, that's been dropped. There is some interference there so you can see, and he jumps and then he pushes. So there's enough there that a, a play on after it's been looked at is going to be difficult.

[00:36:48] Now, one of the most challenging parts of this is that you have so much to look for when you are the controlling umpire in the situation. There is a lot going on, so keeping yourself as big as you can in terms of your perspective is gonna be really important. So you can see things like the obstruction, third party, um, and any weird stuff that does happen to go on with that stick, you can take it into account, all of that as well.

[00:37:21] Oh, thank you Raj. It's good to see you. And yes, let's get some more thumbs up. 27 of you. Thank you for joining in on such a busy hockey day. I really appreciate it. Um, and yeah, sorry I can't, I need to spend more time studying the roster. Clearly. This is why I'm not doing color commentary. Currently. So I'm looking forward to seeing what your survey results are on this one, and if you have any other questions about that.

[00:37:49] And I think we can look at, did I, I don't think I actually pulled this rule out, but it is nine 16 I think, and it's not,

[00:38:08] this isn't scrolling for me. There we go. Oh, come on now. I made my cursor really, really big so I could see it when I'm streaming because one of my most frustrating things is that I don't know what I'm looking for. Oh, there we go. Nine 16. Okay, so players must not throw any object. Okay. So they can't throw it, but dropping accidentally or a shin guard dropping out of their equipment.

[00:38:39] Or out of their sock as they're running. That is simply play on and that's an illusion. If we get to the, if we get to extra time today, we're gonna be talking about that. Alright, uh, let's have a look at this

[00:39:02] and I'm going to refresh this poll

[00:39:09] just because I really wanna experience how this feels. Seven votes and a hundred percent of you are on the penalty court for obstruction. Ladies and gentlemen,

[00:39:22] I think we just had our first unanimous poll. I would like to thank all of you for your participation and your uniformity way to get it done. Friends consensus has been achieved. This is amazing and Steven, you're continuing it. That's eight votes. That's eight votes of consensus. I can't believe we actually got there.

[00:39:48] That is fantastic. Okay, let me know how you're liking the pace of this show. This is very, uh, this is, this is very different. This is very different and a little bit disconcerting cuz I don't feel like I even know what I'm talking about. Sometimes. It's going fast. Okay. There are some people who are gonna be very happy with this.

[00:40:10] We've got a couple instances here where we're gonna look at where the free hit is. Very much so just, oh my god, it's GB Germany got pick up from Bandra Band Rack off the back foot. What a.

[00:40:33] Saying it's outside, but it's lifted inside. It's not where it hits him. It's where the danger starts. That's what I think. So, uh, Tyler, I've blown a penalty corner for danger. The question, Germany feel that it's outside, that the danger has occurred, but the dangers, I'll have a look for where the danger is from anywhere else in the picture.

[00:40:50] Go back to where the balls hit, flick it and it was lifted from inside the circle. This might give, so have a look. So the danger is created by the player who lifts it as he steps in here. That's the touch, that's the ball out and it hits the player outside. But the ball's, well, you can argue it's inside or on the line, but the ball's been lifted inside the circle.

[00:41:08] So come on Allison. Yeah. There's no clear reason to change your decision penalty corner. I may lose the referral. Okay. Thank you. Okay, so you see there that we've got it. This is a bit of a hypothetical because I think you can argue, as Mae pointed out right at the end of that, that the, uh, That the GB player is inside the circle, or you know, on the line, just inside the circle as that ball is sent at him in a dangerous manner and or hits him.

[00:41:42] Uh, I'm not sure if it actually did hit him, but there was something, something there. Actually, no. They, they did it. They did okay. This time, this isn't the, this isn't the one time that I'm, I'm going to, uh, say anything on, on that. But the interesting part comes if you consider, if that GB player is outside the circle, okay?

[00:42:05] And we get this confused a lot because of the aerial rule. So people will say that, well, with the aerial, shouldn't we then be calling the ball as it's going up? Because that's the action that causes the dangerous play. And this is the, this is the, the key here. Um, let's see if I can, if I can get to this.

[00:42:32] This isn't all gonna work, is it okay. No. That here, what we're, what we're seeing is under nine eight, the penalties awarded were the action causing the danger took place. Surprisingly, that's not as clear as language as it could be cuz you think, well, the action causing the danger is the player who plays the ball.

[00:42:58] That's not always the case. The action, the danger could be a way in which a player behaves. Once the ball arrives at an opponent, for example. That's the action that could cause the danger by. Infringing on five meters, for example. That's kind of the, that's the spirit that underlies the five meter infringement rule on an aerial ball.

[00:43:23] So when it comes to an aerial that's been launched and then is landing in an area, for example, where there's more than one player from opposing teams, then the action that causes the danger is the fact that as that ball was in transit, the player of the team that threw the ball doesn't recognize that there is no initial receiver there, and that they have caused the danger and they need to get out of that space.

[00:43:53] Okay? So we're not attributing that the action causing the danger is the lift, it's the behavior of the players as the ball is coming down because they're, you know, they're in there to contest the ball. Okay? So it gets a little bit more complicated than that. So, That's something to take into consideration when we get to, uh, that scenario.

[00:44:20] Any questions on that? And it's still not the no Stijn, Stijn is ranking the referrals and seeing whether they are, uh, good referrals or referrals. That he's gonna have a top 15 list. He's gonna be putting that on the discord server in the next couple days. So thanks, Stan. I really appreciate your efforts on that.

[00:44:41] A deflected ball that goes deflected high into the circle with several players under these, seems like a good example. That's another one as well, right? So, so even though the language is nice, clear words, there are still a few different ways, a couple different permutations on that. But in that scenario, the action that causes the danger is not something that happens at where the GB defender is.

[00:45:05] It's actually. You know, the German, uh, defender, lifting the ball in that instance. Second, the,

[00:45:17] sorry, that was very loud.

[00:45:24] Okay. Please. The, the Australian defender was inside or outside the circle

[00:45:34] on the line is in the circle.

[00:45:40] Just look inside, doesn't it? When, so what makes this play interesting is that the Australian player who's caught the Belgian player stick is outside the circle, but the disadvantage and the action that is disadvantageous is inside the circle.

[00:46:05] Just because the Australian players outside, you can say, well, I'm not sure which, which one do, do I apply? I almost knocked over my hot water there. That would've been bad. Um, you're looking at where the player who wasn't able to play the ball, where were they disadvantaged? Where was the, where was the, the, the ball playability in that situation?

[00:46:30] Good words, Keely, and it's in this case definitely on the inside of the circle. And Allie, yeah. For the danger spot, it's where the evasive action occurs. And that's probably in most situations the right, well, it's, it could be. It could be. But the action is actually, if say, a ball is deflected outside the circle, going into the, into a circle, for example, and then the player has to, the opposing player has to duck, get out of the way, and they're inside the circle.

[00:47:11] We don't award, like if that player's an attacker, we don't award a penalty corner, do we? We give the free hit outside because that's the, where the action occurred that caused the danger. So you see the difference there. You don't see a poll number five? Yeah, probably because, um, jolt, we just can't vote on everything.

[00:47:33] And this, this was more just a, you know, hey, let's talk about it quickly. But there you go. Okay. Who knows. Look, just work with me here, work with me. We're whizzing through, we're whizzing through this stuff. Okay, so, Uh, last announcement. I think that I have. Yes. Alright. Don't forget this thing. This thing that we got going on, mission critical positioning.

[00:48:04] I've been talking about a lot, as I always do in the watch parties and comparing things. And we've had the privilege of having, uh, Mr. Mike McCartney has been, uh, skipping work. I'm not like, am I busting on you, Mike? Am I, am I gonna get you fired? I'm sure I'm not. And he's been hanging out Lee Valley and taking video of the umpires to give us that off camera view to see where they're looking.

[00:48:34] And this is really, really helpful because we can compare that to, okay, in this situation, what if they were somewhere else? Or are they in a spot where we think they've optimized their ability to call their. Critical mission, their mission critical area, which is their circle, you know, the highest level of accuracy.

[00:48:53] So, uh, that's been an interesting development in the last, uh, few days. So please head into the server and join in that discussion. I'm gonna be porting this course over to the Discord server as well, so if you're interested in beta testing that for me, please come on in, let me know and we will work something out with you because I would love to give that a shot.

[00:49:16] Okay. What number are we on? Are we on five? I hope we're on five because that's the one I'm going to. I've lost track arrow into the circle. Where's the free hit? Yes. Okay, number five. Hi.

[00:49:37] This fine aerial under the circle. There isn't a pole, by the way,

[00:49:56] control,

[00:50:05] so if you can hear the, if you can hear the conversation

[00:50:15] scene. There we go. Okay. If you can hear the conversation. And I think it's charter that's in that at this point, talking to Kun now, you know, let me be very clear. This is not shade at Kuhn because he's called the rule according to how it's written and. If he had called it differently and not called a penalty corner, and the Australian defender had made a successful tackle here, undoubtedly Belgium would've gone to referral cuz they still have it.

[00:50:46] And there would've been a very difficult decision in front of the video umpire in this case to make. The reason being is that if you were part of the aerials, uh, masterclass discussion that I had with, uh, David Ames and Bernardo Fernandez and Ernst Bart of the hockey site, we'll have a link, uh, somewhere here.

[00:51:09] There'll be a little card and there's a link in the description to that if you're interested in reading or listening to more discussion about how aerials have changed and what the PLA top players and coaches are looking for and how they're understanding how aerials should be able to be defended or should not be able to be defended.

[00:51:31] With the development of modern skills, this is exactly the kind of scenario that, um, that we were talking about. So what you have is a situation where an attacker has received the ball and they are going to take am mid-air, full cut at the ball to shoot on goal. And the defender has actually done a good job in terms of waiting to make sure that the way that the players understand control to be that the, that he has control.

[00:52:07] And you can hear Charlie even saying, but he has it under control cuz he's gonna take a shot. He is taking a shot in that moment. And I have a lot of sympathy for what the player is saying here and a lot of sympathy for the umpire as well because everybody's just, you know, He's just doing his job as it's described, the rule as it currently stands, requires it says the requirement is controlled and on the ground that five meters has to be given for control and on the ground the game is not played on the ground anymore, not exclusively.

[00:52:44] And as you reach higher and higher skill levels, it is played in the air more and more. So the argument that this is control, that this should be perceived as being control, I completely agree with, and we need to look at a different way to give the receivers the protection so they can exercise their skills safely, but not to overly penalize defenders, to allow that player to have full control and take a full cut at the ball with open space around them because that putting my defender player hat on.

[00:53:25] That doesn't seem fair at all. And yes, we're all looking for the word with the wording to change. One of the alternatives we talked about in that show that I think we kind of reached a consensus miraculously at the end of it was that that, that I think top players and coaches would like to see the first touch to be enough that if, if a player is given the amplified meters to safely contact that ball after that first touch, it should be just game on.

[00:54:07] And when I, when I think about that, I haven't been able to poke a hole in that yet. So if you have any thoughts in that regard, I'd love to hear you in the comments in the Discord server. You can go back to that S Masterclass video and, and watch us really just. Pick apart this whole rule and lots of clips and scenarios in the same way.

[00:54:27] So it was really, it was a really helpful conversation to have to hear it from the playing perspective. And we can only hope that the scene leads to the same rule changes. Yeah. As the famous interest step. That's a great point. Stijn. So what Stijn is alluding to is the World Cup semifinal between Australia and Netherlands when Eddie Kinin plucked a ball and intercepted it very safely outside of playing distance, arguably outside of five meters as well.

[00:54:59] But you know, from some angles it looked like it was closer than that and was able to pluck out that interception barrel down to the other end. And Australia scored a goal that tied the game and sent it to a shootout and. Looking at the miraculous, almost what? But just it so exciting level of skill that that was expressed there.

[00:55:19] That's what we want to see the game be able to go to. And so long as it's safe, why can't we trend towards that? Are we able to instill that value or that commonality of understanding throughout the levels of hockey? The players know how to do this safely and regardless of whether you have the skill or not, you're not going to be an idiot about it when you have that scenario presented to you.

[00:55:48] So just a scenario that I wanted to present to you with Food for Thought, because it was a big deal and you know, Belgium scored this goal and went up to three, one and, and, and, yeah. It was just everybody just sort of doing their job. Yeah, I would absolutely prefer that too. I think that would be much more fair.

[00:56:10] Okay. How we doing? It's one o'clock. So the GB U s A women's game is starting in 10 minutes at Lee Valley. We're gonna join that in progress. If you are interested in popping in to the server, we're gonna have an all access watch party so that you can partake in the fund and enjoyment and see what it is that our F h U three T yellow membership does and how we discuss the game, how we look at the game, and I'd love you to be a part of it.

[00:56:44] So, F1 press.com/ds, come on in. And if you are already in the server and you don't normally, uh, get the chance to get into the watch parties, we will see you there. And, and DHC is here. So like, do we need anything else in life? No, we don't. Okay. Number six, a diving attacker question mark. You guys need to step up and do you see the question mark here is take her into the circle.

[00:57:17] Puts a little bit too far front. She's ground. She, for me, she's going to ground here. She has touched the ball to be fair, but she's endangered another player on the field. And, okay. I obviously, I'm editing these things out. There was a pretty extensive, uh, review about this on the, on the broadcast and I think that's Mel Klu, who's, who's talking there with, um, I think that's Chris Sharples as well.

[00:57:50] And there you go. Good to see. Steven. Thanks for popping in as always.

[00:57:57] So, one of the things that I, I first wanna indicate as I talk about on a regular basis, That unless we have the triumvirate, we have the three things fulfilled on whether the automatic 10 minute yellow card suspension needs to be applied. Then we start looking at other factors and those three, three things that we're looking for are that we have a player in possession of the ball who is tackled with body contact and it brings them to the ground.

[00:58:36] Okay? For me, we don't have all three of those things because we don't have a player in possession of the ball. This is a 50 50 situation. Now, that doesn't mean that if a player goes to ground body contact, dangerous, all those things that we wouldn't award a 10 minute yell card, absolutely that may exist, but what I'm saying is the automatic criterion does not apply for me in this situation.

[00:59:03] Okay. And let's see. You feel the China Dutch game all over again? Not quite Andy, because I think Steven has seen something that a lot of us miss the first time that we watched this, including me. And let's see if I'm gonna be able to do this.

[00:59:26] I'm not six. Are we in six? Yeah, we're in six. Okay, that's helpful. And let's see if I can pull it up here.

[00:59:39] Oh yeah, it's working. It's working. Everybody. Okay. So as we're scrolling the here from this angle, you don't see it, but when we watch right here, and I'm gonna see if I can slow this down. Oops, I took it back. Okay.

[01:00:05] Scroll that down. Scrolly. Scrolly, scrolly. Okay, so in this moment right here, the player is in control and they're reaching out for the ball and it doesn't look, she, it looks like she's gonna extend, but it doesn't look as though that she's preparing to really dive out for the ball. But what happens next?

[01:00:33] She stubs her toe

[01:00:37] and that knocks her off balance. So, Celine saw this correctly. I think this is an accidental trip that gets in the way. There's definitely a foul there. This player has been obstructed from continuing to, to get to the ball and to play. And I know that you commented that before I showed you the soil mo and showed you the toast stub and, and all that sort of thing.

[01:01:08] Okay? But for me, I think that this is properly seen as a free hit. And I think we, we have to keep in mind that yes, we attribute responsibility for choices that are made by players to do reckless things. Is this reckless in the moment? I don't think so. She trips. So simply if we hit and in this situation, play on.

[01:01:36] So let's see if you voted in this poll. Uh, let's see. Diving attacker, we've got six votes. Get your votes in real quick, everybody. Let's see what we got.

[01:01:59] Two minute warning. That'll be a one minute warning. A 45 second warning.

[01:02:07] Let's see how it looks. And 50% are looking for a free hit for the U S A or an advantage. And 33% of you are looking for a five minute yellow card and 16% looking for a green card. Okay.

[01:02:28] Understandable. And now Rachel can't unsee this dub. Yeah, look around the body fell. Ah, reboot. Very nice to see you. Glad you're umpiring. Fantastic. Okay, so just. A reminder, I think for all of us when we're watching these situations is to also give a little bit of a benefit of the doubt to the umpire who's on the pitch.

[01:03:03] Because sometimes they see things that, uh, from our angle, from broadcast, from the way that we hear the commentators speak about a situation, leads us to go in a different direction. So, and now you can't see it, you can't unsee it. Okay. We're doing pretty good everybody. Let's go on to danger on swing before goal.

[01:03:28] This is gonna be harder. This is, this is two clips.

[01:03:37] Oh

[01:03:42] wow.

[01:03:47] Guy. The top. Dangerous, dangerous. There was a lot going on. I'm just gonna go to the, to the replay section here. Um, there was a lot going on in this moment because there had been a lot, a lot of conversation between the umpires and the players. And Belgium is very unhappy that Australia is taking a video referral here.

[01:04:06] They think that they were out of time and for some reason it was really bothersome that it was go's who came from the center line to come ask for the referral. And because there was a, a gap in time there. The umpires consider when they see the signal. That's when the request for the referral comes in and then they go to the player and then they find out, okay, what is your referral for?

[01:04:34] So Belgium was really unhappy with this cuz they're like, oh, the guy involved, you know, nobody in the circle was upset, blah blah, blah. Doesn't really matter. But what happened was, because Martin was having a very fulsome conversation with all the players right around that, you couldn't hear what the referral was for.

[01:04:55] And in this moment, here's charter again. And he's not happy with that. And he literally says, so he needs to get hit in order for that to be considered dangerous is what his reply is. So I'm interested in knowing what you think about that. That's, and Dawson's the player here who, who gets Oh no. Yeah. He is the play.

[01:05:13] No, he is next to the player who, uh, who gets close. When you consider the other things that we allow at this level, it's difficult to conceive of this. The defenders at full stretch, the tip of their stick is in line with where, where the ball travel is. So, and he's leaning out, so it's not like his stick is closer to his body.

[01:05:41] And I think that's where you see that, you know, it's, it's a stick in an arm length or it's, if he's reaching, it's, it's sort of a stick in half an arm length away from the danger area of the head. And so I can see why this could be a play on situation if you're looking for something. Yeah, we're doing, we're doing discord polls now.

[01:06:09] I hope you like them. So I'm interested in your thoughts and where you're, you're. Going with this because really it's 50 50 and where your gut leads you is gonna be informed by what you've been seeing at this level for this game, this season, your career at the level that you're umpiring. And that's where the feeling of the umpire on the pitch becomes so important because they've built on experience, they have a body of data behind them as to what they've been able, they've seen that the players are able to do and what they're not able to do.

[01:06:48] And when we look at a situation like this in isolation, we don't have that appreciation. We don't have that same angle there. Okay. Yeah. It acts, it's very, very fast, Rachel. You'd allow this at lo at this level, but lower levels, especially juniors, you're much more likely to call danger. Absolutely. Andy wants a goal for their, for that one as well.

[01:07:13] And Joel, the defender got the tip of the ball, which is why the attacker missed, but you don't see the swing of the attacker stick being close to the player and no evasive action either. It's an interesting thought because evasive action isn't the requirement, it's an ant. So danger can still exist when the player can't or doesn't take evasive action because you can see instances where the player doesn't even have time to take Eva evasive action, like in that situation like that happened really, really fast.

[01:07:40] So, uh, I can see why, you know, he's fully committed to getting there and. Does that prevent him from continuing to play? Is there a disadvantage to the danger? And I know it seems weird to, to conceive of it that way, but that is what we're looking for. Did it disadvantage the player because the, they were taking Eva evasive action?

[01:08:05] Legitimate evasive action instead, instead of continuing to play. Okay. So it's not just the notion of blood, it's that it, it affects the way that the players can continue. Okay. Stijn. You can understand why Australia went upstairs, but yeah, it is, it is always risky, but sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

[01:08:26] So, okay, let's have a look. I've got nine votes. 9, 9, 9, 9. Nine votes.

[01:08:47] And

[01:08:52] let's see how we're doing. It appears to me that 78% of you agree with the goal decision and 20%, 22% of you say no goal. So understandable. And just as long as you're working through the same steps, the same process that we're working through and some of your opinion, some of your gut feel is gonna be informed by what you're accustomed to seeing on the pitch.

[01:09:20] So I totally understand. And hey, a very highly skilled on par. I told you once defense benefits more from a free hit than to play advantage. What's your take on? Okay, so we're gonna hold, we're gonna hold this question. We're gonna pin this. And hopefully I can come back to it. We're in a very tight schedule here, Alistair and I might get you to come into the watch party, which is in all access, and you can ask that question again while we're talking about it.

[01:09:47] Okay. And of, of course, I'm right, of course I'm right. I own a URL that says Kelly was right.com. It's true. Uh, the player didn't have time for evasive action, but often cases where there is danger and there wasn't time beforehand, you'd often see his flincher similar as a reaction. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's very possible.

[01:10:04] Okay. And discord maths are better than YouTube maths. Boom. That's a dis. YouTube, your math sucks. YouTubes. Okay, let's have a look at the second scenario here. And it comes, it's save from.

[01:10:30] Make sure you go taken action. It's a dangerous swing. Impacted my denture for the swinging SW and this I took evasive action. That's what shot dentures. Yes. Yeah, I was gonna, thank you. We are looking for denture. What was it for you? Did you think it was denture or not? For me it's not, but I'm not really sure.

[01:10:51] So, okay, I have a look. If it was dangerous or it this angle as it comes into Ali played it, then comes back out again. Now Vallens there that swing. That to me is the danger on Bandra. It's caused him to take legitimate action. Bandra on the left post, watch how he reacts as Velon. There swings. He's back to weigh bandak.

[01:11:11] So could he have got to mass core? So little subjective, is that gonna be considered to be dangerous? Stave is at the swing.

[01:11:22] I dunno. I at the mo, I'm, it's a real 50 50 cuz I can see why Bannert does that there. That is in flinching on Steve's action. So where does that stick go? The ball comes up and in that it always looks much worse. It slowed as well. Vandereck does flinch, but I'm not sure it impacts on whether he could have got to Masco.

[01:11:46] So if you can hear Mac's description clearly, absolutely. See this go either way through the audio here. I think he does a good job in talking through the factors that you're looking for. He talks about legitimate evasive action from this angle, from the side. It looks a lot less unsafe, doesn't it? So if you were.

[01:12:11] Per man on the opposite angle, the you swing may feel exactly the same way. Now compare that to the danger situation. Actually I should lumped all these together. All three of them, no, about with the overhead rule. Production talks about playing distance. I don't think's playing distance. I'm not sure he'll get there anyways.

[01:12:31] But is that, is this any more dangerous than the proximity of the players, than what we saw in that very first place? There no clear reason to change The decision is too far away to be dangerous. So the goal and they lose the referral. Okay, so Steven, you're asking does the, the attacker number 11 also obstruct the defender stick in the air.

[01:12:53] Now that was a secondary. Sort of consideration. And I, you know, in the edit you may have lost a few of the little conversations. First of all, Baner does a very good job in explaining and articulating, cuz in the moment you can see he is like, and then he just, so congratulations. That's fantastic mental training.

[01:13:13] But went into this moment and he is able to say, I've taken legitimate evasive action. Like he uses the terminology in everything. So I'm like ready to slap bandra a whistle. I think he's, I think he's all over this, this action. So if you feel as I do that maybe the swing itself is not sufficient and, and think again that it's not that he actually has to be in danger, but there is a perception of danger because it's the perception of the player on the receiving end who takes legitimate evasive action if they truly think that they're in danger in that moment.

[01:13:54] Even though it turns out that that stick pulls away from the little bit, rather than just being able to continue, it comes down to, again, like I was talking about earlier, was the defender disadvantaged by flinching away, by getting out of the way of that swing. And I think you can make a much more solid case here if you put those, that idea together, that that's an issue.

[01:14:25] The next part that Steven is alluding to here is that there's the potential that the attacker as he goes across, as he jumps, there's a little just a touch of a third party obstruction,

[01:14:40] so. That, that, that knocks him a little bit outta the way. But there's also, I think Vander Act is also anticipating that there is gonna be a ball coming his way and he's not gonna stand in front of Pay Mazzella, whichever one it is in the mo at that moment. He's not gonna stand in front of them as that ball's coming in.

[01:15:03] Okay. For Jenny, you'd probably call the danger there. Um, let's see. The front angle was dangerous, but the side angle doesn't appear dangerous. Yeah, it is, it is difficult. Why does he eject his mask while jumping his back? I'm not sure that he's ejecting his mask.

[01:15:24] I, I, I, I don't know how it comes off, but I, I don't think he's like, I don't think, he's like, well, I'm gonna take it off with one arm and I'm gonna throw it. And I, I think it just kind of gets knocked. So I don't think we need to really go through that. And the perception of danger is what tipped you towards it, Jenny.

[01:15:46] Okay, I understand. Review. You think in addition you could say there's a level of obstruction and I guess maybe when you put those two things together that's you're like, well, you know, on the balance, there's enough disadvantage there that I would call it. So, let's see. I hope everybody's had a chance to vote on this one.

[01:16:12] Guys, I've got 10 minutes to spare. This is so exciting. Okay.

[01:16:25] And 72% of you are saying no goal. I can understand that. I can understand it both ways. And what I really liked about how Selena approached this one is that her question, she asked the question back to her man because she wanted to get his sense. As the umpire there in the moment on the field, just a couple meters away from all of this happening.

[01:16:45] Was it, did you feel it was dangerous in the moment and her man's like, I real honestly, I'm just not sure. I think he was even too close to it to really perceive everything that needed perceiving, you know, and no blame on him. That's exactly where you should be in that kind of situation. It's just the way that the ball fell and in the moment and all that sort of thing.

[01:17:06] But really nice question back because if Herman had said definitively, look, I didn't see it as dangerous at all, but please have another look at it for me. Gives a much different sort of feeling to Celine about what she's gonna be taking into account. So I quite like that. Okay, and I'll just take another quick stab and make sure we didn't get any more votes coming in, but yes, 75% of you now are up to the Noel.

[01:17:39] No goal, so. Gotcha. Okay. Um,

[01:17:47] let's see. Okay. This could be fun. I don't know if I set this up right. This one's gonna be fast cuz it's not an opinion full, having none of that, Colin, but I wanted to show it to you. Colin's getting tight to that piece line. So what's the question? It's out of them. Dangerous. Dangerous, okay.

[01:18:12] I think he has a point there, but, oh, okay. Probably, I, I will have a look if it's dangerous for Australia. Sorry. I will have a look. If it was dangerous for Australia No. Of the Yeah, yeah. Of the Belgian stick to the Australian player. Yeah. Mishi is on this right from the start. She knows what's going on. So what we have is a ball that is hit by a Belgian player, a Belgian defender, and it goes past another Belgian player and then lands gently down in the circle for Australia.

[01:18:51] And I think what's complicated about it, first it was dangerous to Australia and the area of wall was received outside. So you can water free hit out and Australia. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. So wait, wait. I got this. Wait, wait. Let me check this. I got this. Okay, Missy. Yeah. Alright. So what you're saying that it, it was dangerous of the stick of the defender of Belgium?

[01:19:17] No, it wasn't dangerous. It was not dangerous. It was only dangerous for a Belgian player. And it can't be dangerous for your own teammate. That's what that's that's what I thought. Yeah.

[01:19:30] How much going on there? Okay, but, oh, this scene isn't set up properly, but there you go. What you've seen there, what you've witnessed is the video umpire watching the situation as it unfolds, and immediately saying there's, there's like three possibilities, okay? Is that Australia made it dangerous and therefore Coen's decision to blow a free hit out was correct in the first instance.

[01:20:01] End of story. Second possibility is that the ball was made is lifted by a Belgian defender, and it's dangerous to Australia, which means it's a penalty corner. Factually, that did not occur, so that can't be a ground for a penalty corner. And the last possibility is ball played by Australia, raised by a Belgian defender.

[01:20:28] The evasive action is taken by a Belgian teammate and then falls to Australia. Basically, Australia referred on danger to a teammate and they lost, and it was, it was a difficult one to explain, uh, at the moment, but as it was occurring, I was applauding Missy's perception of everything in that moment. And she, she did the best that she could to explain it concisely, but thoroughly so that everybody in the stadium could understand what was going on.

[01:21:04] And I hope that you got that as well. This is the one I, I, I don't know if this referred to the same one or not. Okay. Five minutes. And I am you guys, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. Okay. We're going in extra time folks. Wait, we're going in extra time.

[01:21:26] I need more sound effects on that one. Okay. First one, another little knowledge bomb for y'all. This was the first time I have witnessed a goal being scored or not being scored. After the ball hits penalty corner, protective equipment in the goal ball was struck by the G e B player. It, it deflects off PC equipment that has fallen off a German player and goes into the goal.

[01:22:02] And Germany is furious

[01:22:07] because they don't know that it's there responsibility to make sure that their equipment doesn't change the trajectory of the ball. So, And it's very clear that if the ball hits any discarded equipment, such as a hand protector, knee pads, or face mask, a free hit should be awarded outside or a corner if it's inside the circle.

[01:22:28] But it's advantage, so the ball will continue to play and the goal should be awarded and just checking with Rule 12.5 is that if the ball hits a piece of equipment lying in the circle and a probable goal is prevented, it would be a penalty stroke in that situation. Ladies and gentlemen, those are the rules pertaining to penalty corner equipment.

[01:22:52] Yes. Way to go Mishy. That was excellent. The ones that worked were the ones I was making. Oh, okay. That's very interesting. I'll have to have a look at that. On the theme of throwing equipment and such, this one was sent to me by Alex Bree from the Instagrams. This rather temperamental human being is not happy.

[01:23:18] That this, uh, attempted tackle has been potentially broken down the play. And when the shin guard is lying in her way, she kicks it and kicks it at the umpire and strikes her. We know thanks to an episode that I will link to in the, in the cards up above that has been confirmed by the f I h, that if any object is thrown, kicked, discarded, and hits an umpire, a yellow card must be awarded.

[01:23:53] And in this instance, the umpire awards that yellow card, I think because of the high degree of intentionality. And it's not like she accidentally kicked the shin guard. She took a really healthy football adjust sports ball all the way. She was punting for the extra point right there. And. That to me would be a 10 minute yellow card.

[01:24:20] That's where I would go with that, but there you go. Yes. What? Okay. And the last play I wanted to bring to your attention, this came up. This is from boss, uh, f Hockey's, uh, Instagram feed. It's a penalty corner setup, but there are no defenders and there's music and such describing it. The plays being set up and the ball comes in and it's stopped and the goal is scored.

[01:24:51] Is this allowed? Yes, it is. There is no minimum number of players who have to defend if the goalkeepers on the pitch, they are required to be on the goal line. That is the only thing. I am assuming, I'm gonna sur surmise from the situation that the whole reason that the team is basically not going to defend this penalty corner is because they had subbed off or their goalkeeper, which, uh, the only goalkeeper they had who was kitted, was suspended from play.

[01:25:21] So they didn't have a fully kitted goalkeeper to defend this penalty corner with, and they needed to, uh, they needed to, uh, just decide that they were going to opt for safety, that the goal being scored didn't matter and they were going by that. Yeah, Ali, that's exactly the scenario that I alluded to that we covered, uh, when Cat got hit in Argentina with the mask that was discarded by Germany, I think it was.

[01:25:53] But we will link to that. So if you wanna go revisit that episode and the conversation that we had around that, I would invite you to do so. So yes, this is perfectly legal if there is not a kited goalkeeper on the defending team. But if there is the rules technically would require that fully kited goalkeeper to be there.

[01:26:12] But no minimum other field players have to join that goalkeeper in defending this play. All right, friends, that takes us exactly to one 30. What

[01:26:30] I'm hitting sound effects that apparently y'all can hear, but I'm very excited. I'll add them in and post. I will not Thank you very much for joining in today. I would love to hear your feedback on this. Make sure you drop a comment. If you replay squad, you can add it here, but it's better to come into the discord because that's where I can, you know, like the whole community can get involved in the conversation.

[01:26:54] You drop it here and it gets lost in the. In the either of of YouTube comments and I know what's good for the algorithm, but I'm more interested in what's good for the community. So I'd love to see you in there. Uh, we are gonna go straight into the special ac all access watch party GB and U s a. Just gimme a couple minutes.

[01:27:14] I have to like shut some things down and I have to obviously get the stream set up and it's Yeah, it's a thing. It's a thing. Okay. But come on in and join us. It's gonna be a lot of fun. And that, uh, that was pretty exceptional. I'm not gonna lie. Um, don't they just have to be in their half? No, the rule specifies because if they're, if they're there, they have to be on the line in between the two goalposts.

[01:27:44] We can go check the rules. We can talk about this more in the server. Let's do that. Okay. Thank you very much. That's the address for the server. It's been awesome. We have so much more coming up for you, so let's get this Pro League wrapped up in style over the next week. Thanks for joining in, and enjoy the rest of your hockey in the next coming days.

[01:28:09] See you next Wednesday.

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