Live Q&A #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 92

📅 Oct 5 18.00 GMT

➡️ https://youtu.be/jDgtr0owITE

Have you seen this thing called “social media”? People have SO many questions about field hockey umpiring decisions, so we're going to give them the answers––together. We'll check on the legality of a penalty stroke, ooh and ahh at a Masters red card, pronounce upon a couple of goalkeeper collisions, and ponder an extreme example of a facemask worn too long. If we have time: Facebook follies!

It's Episode 92 of #WhatUpWednesday (IYKYK), so I'd love to see y'all there to raise a glass. Slainte!🍷

⏱ Chapter Markers:
00:00:00 Chair Dancing
00:02:27 Topics!
00:10:38 1. Is this penalty stroke legal – Stickwise on Instagram
00:29:56 2. A Masters red card – ESPvARG O50
00:42:26 3. Double Dragon Trouble – fouls inside the circle
01:06:03 4. Penalty stroke in South Africa – ZIMvUSA O45
01:18:43 5. Can you be too helpful – Proactive talk on 5m inside the 23m area
01:25:34 6. Forever in a facemask – when a PC is called at the other end and a player is still wearing protective equipment from the other end
01:38:27 7. Rhetorical question is rhetorical – don't ask vague written umpiring questions!

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Transcript

Well. Isn't this fun? Not now. Don't. Don't be all like that. Don't be all like that, friends. I'm coming. I'm coming. Wait for it. And what a Wednesday. Keely Dunn. Good to see you. Guess what? It's episode 92. Yay. Cheers to that.

Cheers to 92, everybody. And if you know, you know, you know why I'm excited. And mostly it's because I'm just, uh, I'm just making stuff up as I go. I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm not mad. And if I decide that 92 is a big number, it is a big number and it is for me. I wanna say thank you to everybody who's been along this journey.

WI can't believe that I've actually done 92 episodes of What Up Wednesday. It's crazy. And of course, there's been lots of Umpire At Homes that have been slipped in there and a few other things. But man. You might notice that there's some things going on underneath in the background. They're probably not working because I was a just a little bit behind today.

I don't know what happened. And I can hear, I can hear my special effects running. They're just not showing up, which is very interesting. Cam link, I, yeah, don't know where those, those overlays are going. Let's see, Is this one working? No, I can hear it, but I can't see it. Very interesting. Okay. But as long as this one's working, this is, This is one that I wanted you to see.

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Keely Dunn FHumpires. Isn't that cool? Anyway, Hi. I am going to say hello to people because every livestream coach tells you to get right to the content at the beginning of the livestream, and I'm like, Nah. I like my people. Hi Adam. Good to see you. Ben is already here with the Skittles, not quite wine. Uh, what?

Sorry. I know, I know. I was a little late. William. Hi. You joined the Discord. Oh, you're Polo. Great to see you.

That's right. We, we blow air horns for new people. So it's really great to see you, Mr. Mewis. William Mewis. That's fantastic. And as a rosé for Rachel today, you know, I should have done rosé today because drinking a dark wine on camera is really stupid. I mean, my teeth are probably gonna go dark burgundy.

It's, it's not gonna be pretty,

but it's good wine, so that's the most important thing. There you go. And, um, yes, very warm welcome. Yeah, thank you. I, I like it that now people, if they go into the discord, and this, this is something that I just tried today. I don't know if it's gonna be, you know, everything on a bag of chips, but we're gonna try it.

Uh, little tailgate in the Discord, if you don't know what that is, fhumpires.com/discord. And we were hanging out in the Voice channel. I failed to bring the music, but we all brought a drink, whether it was coffee or wine, or Ben brought Skittles. I, I dunno why he did that. But anyway, he brought Skittles and that was very nice.

And, uh, we are going to duck back into there. If you are a yellow member, you're gonna be able to come in and have some more chats with me and pester me about all of the things that you disagreed with, which should be nothing because it's, it's me, it's me. Kia ora to Shayne and big congratulations. Hi, I good to have you and Godders is here and Joep, good to see you again.

Haven't seen you for a little bit, so I'm glad you're here, Alan. Good to have you Inge. Always a pleasure. I'm so, yes. It just makes me happy when I see my girls. I'm just like, Yes. So there you go. Yes, there's a lot of number, a lot of 92s. I was really happy with this t-shirt design. I think it's, it reminds me of the nineties.

It's got the right colors anywhere, if you know, you know? Okay. I probably don't know. Lukasz great to have you

mostly cuz I just really like how your name's written. Roger's here and Scott, there you go. You can't hear. Uh oh. I don't know what you can't hear, but hopefully everything's fine. Thank you. Jeanette, did you know my middle name is Jeanette? It's just not spelled that way. It's j e j J, Yeah. J e a double n e double t e.

There you go. And Amanda is here. Yes, girls are in the house. Matt, Hi. I think you're new. Congratulations and welcome to the 92nd Show. You'd think by now I would have my stuff together, but you know, it just, I like to surprise people with my lack of preparedness. I wanted to change a few things. Because it's the big show.

It's it's the 92, so I wanted to have, you know, little graphics popping up and, and they're, they're not, and I don't know why. I wonder if I can fix it on the fly. Do you want me to do that? No, you don't. You want me to get to the content? Okay. Let me see if I can trigger this scene. It's gonna be wrong. Just gimme a sec.

All topics. There we go. Okay. Are we ready? First one up, is this penalty? Stroke legal And then master seeing Red. Ooh, this is gonna be fun. We are going to go to double trouble with Dragons and a penalty stroke in South Africa then can you be too helpful? She asks. Forever in a face mask. Yes. This is, this is actually working w ell.

I like this. And rhetorical question is rhetorical. That. Oops. That might end up being my rant to the week and, oh, there's my old what up when today, Scene. See, it's just, it's just going great.

That's what we're covering today. So don't forget, I've already told you about the Discord really quickly as well. If you are not aware of what we do here with FH Umpires, we do a lot of mentoring. Oh, and there, there's my name tag, my name staying coming up again, if you like to support what we do and wanna have access to the Clip library, $7 Green membership is available for you.

If you would like to get some pretty, like, I don't wanna brag, but I think my mentoring's pretty good. I got really excited. I've done a couple of debriefs lately, so yellow members can give me their match video and I will sit down with them and I will go through the match with them and debrief it. Just as though I was their umpire coach, uh, present.

And we can have a fullsome discussion about everything that we see. And I did too lately that I just got really excited about. Um, I worked with Hamish, who I was Yeah. Had had a lovely game and I was really excited to see his stuff. And let's see. I've seen Mike recently and a few others, You're gonna have to remind me now.

But anyway, they just, they, it's just, it's my favorite thing to do. So sign up for yellow so I can do my favorite things. That's it. That's it. That's what I wanna know. Okay, , let's get into the content, shall we? Fingers crossed friends.

Is this penalty stroke legal?

On the Instagrams friend of the show friend of FHumpires, Callum Giles, posted this under his account. This is Stickwise. Um, so make sure you follow them on Instagram. I put the link in the description. Maybe if one of the mods can copy that and pop it into the comments as well. Um, I, I have to say, and not just because he's my friend and we were in and FIH coaching, uh, thing together, it's not just that I'm not that easily bought, but his content on that account is so useful.

I really get a lot out of it. So make sure you go follow at stick wise on the Instagrams. And, uh, he tagged me in this post and had a little pull and I told him that I would do my thing and cover it here with you because I think it's really important. For us to get that consensus. So I'm gonna put up a poll.

Is this penalty stroke legal? Yes. No, ask the community. Okay. I just posted a poll in the comments and I wanna see your votes. So get 'em in there and we will start the discussion. Yes, Amanda, stick wise is absolutely brilliant. There you go. Yo, you just started your bond Shri Course. I know I didn't say it right, but I don't care.

Congratulations.

Love it. Love it. Oh, thank you very much. No problem. Appreciate that. With the link Neils get to have you Candice. There you go. Yes, we are sisters with just an ocean between us. That's all. That's all that's happened. I know, and that's why I like it so much. I'm really glad you hear Gayatri's here. Gayatri was in the tailgate cuz she is everywhere.

I love it. I have, There's not a single person in yellow who is more diligent than Gayatri is. So you can't hear the soundtrack Uhoh?

I can hear it. does. Does everybody have to hear it? I'm able to hear the do do, do do. Anyway, we'll start it out. As long as you can hear me, that's the most important thing. We won't worry about anything else? So your thoughts on this penalty stroke? We have some. We have some votes coming in. Very interesting.

Okay, I'm gonna keep it open until the two minute warning. Callum was your first coach, Atton many years ago. Said William, and you were fed up. Trying to save his… save his flicks. Yeah. I mean, let's face it, he kind of invented some different ways of playing the game and different techniques, and that's why this is so interesting to, to see this question.

And I don't know if any of you read through, if you saw that, If you read through any of the, the Instagram comments, don't, because not a lot of people know what they're talking about on social media. I'm just gonna say that this is not social media and this is community. So your thoughts, and I wonder if I can go to a,

let's see, let's bring up the rules for a little bit. Let's bring up the rules for a hot minute. Okay. Because rules are astonishingly helpful. To actually understanding the concepts. So this is 13.7. This is playing the penalty stroke, taking the penalty stroke. And as I'm looking through, all of this looks pretty good so far.

I don't see anything that I'm offended by. Okay. I'll just send that a little bit more. Okay. What they can wear when the whistle's blown. Taking the stroke, we don't have a whistle here, so we don't have to worry about that. So I have, I have a feeling that the provisions that we're looking at are here.

That the, the clause under is that, Oh, I can't, I can't see it.

I. Which I only guessed because of the letters that were surrounding it, Sub clause I, and the guidance in that, using a dragging action to play the ball at the penalty, stroke is not permitted. Or j, the player taking the stroke must play the ball only once and must not subsequently approach either the ball or the player defending the stroke.

Okay. So let's hear what you've got.

Okay, we'll watch it a few, a few times. Okay. Gideon, you're going yes. After last year's teaching that this is a push flick, A clever one, not a drag from behind. Okay. Gideon, really good, uh, comment there. And what you're looking at, and this is the argument that I've had on several clips where penalty strokes have been involved, where the notion of a drag is not defined under the rules, but I've constructed one based on what I would call common hockey sense in that a drag flick is different from a regular flick because the ball is picked up from behind the body, steps are taken towards the target, and because the ball's picked up behind the body and the feet go in front of the ball when the ball is eventually released, it's done so much clo, Excuse me.

Huh? It's done much closer to the goal than an ordinary flick would. To me, that is the bright. Is the ball picked up behind the body or not? If it's picked up in line, it doesn't matter how long the contact is with the ball. That is my argument. And I am dying on this hill. I am absolutely gonna die on this hill.

And I have not heard a good argument, and there's probably some people who are gonna show up in the comments who are gonna give some to me, but I haven't been convinced otherwise. Maybe today's the day. Let's find out. Okay. Uh, William you say it's a scoop, not a drag, but pushing the limits. What about it pushes the limits?

He takes one step forward, his back right foot is still well behind the ball. So what is it? There is something that, that pushes an envelope. But what is it? Cuz it's not the ball position vis a vis the feet. The question is, is that P-spot 6.4 meters away from the goal? Ben, I don't know. It's a great scooping flick for Jennie.

Nice to see you friend. By the way, Taco. Well, the player only touches it once and you pointed some time ago that a drag requires a feet to pass the ball. Thank you. You don't see why it shouldn't be as long as this one motion. He's not dragging it anywhere. No double tap. So why not? Okay. Does not look like a double touch or any drag.

Yes. Chris, you are the one. What do you got, Chris? Today is the day. Bring it. I'm ready. I'll just sit my wine and wait for you to type.

Okay. So what, So what is pushing the limits? Is the ball rolling down the stick? Okay. Is there anything in the rule that tells you that the ball rolling down the stick? Is illegal. Cause remember, the general principle to every rule of hockey is, unless it's a foul or unless it's specifically prohibited, it's allowed.

That's, that's how laws and rules work. So we have to find something to either pin it on or it goes under the danger category, right? Danger is the one thing that we can always point to that even if it's not specifically, we're just like, Nah, that's bad. We're not letting that happen because somebody could die.

So is the stick rolling down the ball? Is that a drag?

Is that the part that does it? And Lukasz, you can't draw the drag the ball during the penalty stroke. Absolutely. But what's a drag? The laid back approach probably means, um, probably makes it seem like it pushes the envelope. . Hey, now. my wine. Look, I have to do a lot of talking here. So it means that my wine gulping has to be cleverly timed and I have to be efficient about it.

I have to get as much wine fluid into me in those moments. But hi. Mmmm, I don't know who you are, but let's be friends. Nothing that says that you can't play it with the, the hook probably of the stick, uh, or push it with the grip or any other part. If it was made to look stressful, will we see it differently?

That's, that's kind of interesting. I think Callum's just a casual kind of guy anyway. Okay. So I think the part that people struggle with is this notion of playing the ball twice. But if you look at the provision itself, okay. The, the player taking the stroke must play the ball only once and must not subsequently approach either the ball or the player defending the stroke.

So the whole clause sort of informs us as to what they're trying to get at, which is, And if we go all the way to the definitions, Chapo, and we get to playing the ball. Okay, I better make that smaller so everything shows up. Okay. Um, playing the ball as a field player, stopping deflecting or moving the ball with the stick.

So does playing the ball twice mean moving the ball? Like what, What is moving the ball twice? . Basically, if we, if we put it into the definitions language, because what this, what's happening in this video is that Cal's picked up the ball on a stick and then he follows through and he flicks it in a different direction than perhaps it would've traveled, but for the snap of his wrists.

There's people that I know in here are gonna argue that that's playing the ball twice, and I just have no idea how you can possibly define that.

How can you make a bright line determination in what is one of the most important set pieces in our game that is the difference between a goal and not a goal? These are our biggest.

The reason that I rely on my drag flick definition is, I mean, you, you gotta draw line somewhere, but if we can make it one that people can see with their eyes and not have to guess at or not need a super slowmo perfect angle replay in order to make the termination, then that's probably a good, a good bright line to draw.

Simon, I was late too, and I'm also happy to be here. So you and I are besties today. Hi . Uh, Ando looks funny but legit. You think he does place his foot just in front of the ball, which is fine. One foot in front of the ball is, is fine. Okay. For me it's when the, the back foot when all of the feet are in front of the ball and the ball's picked up from behind and I'm doing motions.

You can't see in the. little circle. Amanda looks challenging because the ball changes the direction. It goes to the right and then it's played left. Yes, because he changes his wrists. Yeah. There's no way in hockey says G. We ever should or nor should wish to rule something out because of the time the stick is in contact with the ball.

And a scoop by definition has a lot of time and contact. Excellent point. Gideon. I completely agree. Scoops pushes are defined by extended contact with the ball and in a scoop you are literally, it's not, It's the opposite of a hit. You have picked up the ball and you are throwing it. A flick is you've picked up the ball and then you use your wrist to flick the ball away.

And if you're good enough to do it with some disguise, then you're just good.

Hi. Um, you're not staying warm, but, but we're day drinking. Richard, did you not get the memo? It's a celebration of 92. Wait. Oh, I don't have confetti on the screen. I can't blow, I can't do it. Okay. I understand. Thank you, . Okay. You're confirming it was a push and not a drag doc. Luke Dawkin moving the ball twice for you would have to be a disjointed movement.

Um, and abrupt change of angle or velocity. To me, it would have to be the ball leaving the stick. That would ha to me, that's playing the ball twice because it would have to be one push and then a different push. And the only way you can define a different push is when the stick comes off the ball.

Candice, you think of the definition of a scoop as a flowing movement, thinking of a scoop of ice cream. And you love ice cream. This kind of logic is very hard to argue against. Ice cream is very, very excellent. There you go. Mike Farmer is here, by the way. Congratulations. Wait, I think I have to go back to this scene and then I have to do it here.

Mike Farmer pass his assessment. He is a level three on par now, right? I hope I got that right. If not, man, is that gonna be embarrassing for me?

Ooh, look, the confetti stays. It's good to know. I didn't know that that would work the way it does. Okay, so I'm gonna blow the two minute warning. Okay. And then,

let's see. Oh, it worked. Yay.

The urban myths and legends around this kind of play. I find the more rare a foul or a decision is the more opportunity there is for the hockey community to've made up a different rule about it. So particularly here, penalty strokes really don't happen often enough in games and legends as to what constitutes a drag.

What constitutes two movements just kind of get embodied in in, in the culture in particular areas. And I've seen even the top umpires give what I think are incorrect interpretations on this because it happens so seldomly that you could go your entire career without having to make a decision like this.

But if you do, we go by principles, we go by. What is the definition of playing the ball? We go by? Is it two distinct types of playing the ball or two different instances of playing the ball? If the ball can stay in contact with the stick for an extended period of time and be moved in that. I mean, it gets moved from being picked up from the ground and then moved in a completely different direction by being flicked up anyway.

So a change of horizontal direction shouldn't at all be an issue anyway. So for me, this constitutes a perfectly legal stroke. Let's see what happened in the poll and end poll . Does the result come up? There you go. There's our result. You can see it in the comments. 81% said it was illegal, and 19 or 18%, 19.

Thank you. 39 votes. Wow. Are there 39 people watching today? Hi. Oh, we don't want that scene. We want this scene. Okay. So I think that's a pretty decent consensus. And if you're still disagreeing, Chris Palmore, come into the Discord later and fight me.

Right? Oh my goodness. Yes. Exactly. It, it, that one, You know the one I'm talking about and I just, I didn't, I'm sorry. I just don't buy it. Oh, you got whistle duty. Okay. Good to see. Richard, thank you for stopping in at all. And what's 43? I don't know. 40. Oh, ooh, that's great. But wait a minute. Okay. Can we just take a hot minute here for a second?

Do you see the first stage of this graphic? Come on. I, I'm okay with you pausing on your judgment and saying, Look, I'm gonna wait until maybe topic two before. I'm impressed with what Keely's doing here, but people

I, I need, I know only 13 likes. It's like, you're breaking my heart. Okay. I'll try to get over this while we move on to question two. This isn't really much of a question as so much an exploration himself. Perfectly. Okay. Get the ball out, but Argentina, get a second chance at this. Running on the sideline.

Oh, I think I'm gonna block the way I did. Block the way. Hold on. After the mile line, let's go back to the beginning. Look where my head used to be. Look where that little logo is. Argentina. Get a second chance at this. Running on the side.

A good tackle coming in there. It seems to have been two things that happened, a tackle and a collision. Everybody on edge just asking the question, what happened there? It's not personal, Luke. It's not personal. Sorry to hear that. That's on the replay. But happening. It was a tackle on the sideline and then in the circle there was a collision and the questions being asked, What happened there?

Everybody gathered around having discussion. I gotta, I gotta click in the right place and the debates, Who am I gonna fight with? Chris if it's not you. Okay. I wanted to show you everything that happened around this. Okay? And here's the red card coming out now, shown. Yeah, it must have been a stick. It looked like there was an altercation in the circle, but very unusual for a red card to be showed.

Red card had normally been shown if there's been a lifted stick. Just wait to see what happened there. The player involved or the, um, the antagonist of this situation seems to be, um, protesting. Like he's got, he's got a lump on his elbow, which circle Malay, that happened there absolutely could have happened in that play.

Could have happened at any point. Could have happened deliberately in the bar the night before. Who knows? Deliberately, who knows, was an opposite number. Red Argentina. But what I was most interested in around this situation, first of all, the comportment of the umpires to make sure that they can cover the, and how they handled be maming one down this situation.

So I'd love to hear you comments about what you're seeing.

And as the non-controlling umpire comes over, he's, he's just given for pushing for the injured Spanish player who took the stick to the gut. A yellow card for 10 minutes. What's the maximum you can give for you? Okay. Whoops. I have no idea what's happening there. Um, there, Hi. So you'll still be able to see it happen maybe in the corner of your screen there.

Yep. Just there.

Um, watch again. Did the red team guy, um, hit him first? Yeah, and I believe, I believe there was something that was seen, it was hard to see, but the other own part picked it up and the 10 minute yellow was given.

Ben, you're not a fan of the other on par rushing in, but you're a fan of him taking the player away and being personal hand on the back. Yep. I like that part of it too. Um, I think we've gone through a few of these sort of melet situations that often develop after a really difficult incident has, uh, has occurred.

And my advice is often that one umpire should keep themself away from the group so they can keep a wider view on what's happening in front of them because it's the retaliation over there. It's this, it's these two guys who start getting into an argument about what just happened and one person sticking up for another and you know, and then something else.

And keeping a track and starting to write down all the numbers of the people that need to be dealt with. With whatever interventions are needed. Okay. So those, those are always there. And this is a good point, Ben, that an umpire rushing in is not gonna deescalate anything. It's an interesting spelling of deescalate, but I know exactly what you mean,

So your body language in these situations is very important. And I understand because I've been in this situation, the desire to stop something else bad from happening and your adrenaline goes through the roof as an umpire, you're like, Oh my God. And if you're like me, and I imagine, I'm just gonna take a wild guess that that umpire has a personality somewhat like mine as well, which is probably quite assertive.

Perhaps bordering on aggressive. And so when something like that happens, we wanna come in and out, really deal with it. But Ben's point about it being a, a, a way that might be contributing to the high level of activation and energy and uh, all that in that situation, I think is a very good one. Okay. But extracting the player who's an issue is a very good technique.

So that's well handled. And he's also taking his time. He's not trying to give him the card while there's all these other people around. The way that he administer the card afterwards, I'm not sure. He kind of like whips it out and he is like, you know, it's a little imperious. And I think if he looked back on this, he would say, You know what, there was probably a better way I could do this.

I could have stopped walking with the player and had him turn around first and say, Here, now please go and slow down your motions at this moment. Okay. You don't like the hand on the player? Yeah, it's you, you gotta be in the moment. You gotta understand the cultures of the people that you're dealing with.

You might have, you know, gender differences to deal with and those kind of norms and that sort of thing. Um, so I, I don't, you know, I don't wanna pass judgment on that particular issue, but you know, at least what the, you know, the tenor of, of getting him out of the way is actually quite nice. Um, yo, you like what I said there?

Oh wait. Maybe it's better for the assisting on umpiree to stay back. Yep. And I, I think that's, That's ab that's a really good idea because in that moment you've got an injury and that's a priority. But your, you know, one umpire can try to keep immediate safety of other players from, you know, getting into other entanglements with themselves.

And he's the guy who saw the incident, the controlling umpire, saw nothing. He didn't have, he didn't have anything to make of that situation. So there you go. And, um, yeah, you agree that, uh, it's awkward. Would you please change your channel name, your login logging account? Hmm. It's not even a, Hmm, it's just a, Hmm.

That's very, very weird. Uh, Steve, the circle umpire being crowded. So supporting umpire did well to come in. Yeah. The, well, the card presentation needed to be calmer . And, and I, I thought it was clean enough, it was nicely visible for the camera. You know, that was kind of fortunate, but it just needed to just be a little bit like, like why pull it out when the guy's not facing you?

And he knew, he's like, Oh, I know he is not facing me now. Tap, tap on the shoulder. And, you know, he could have brought him all the way over to the bench and then, you know, had him there. So, um, yeah, I'm, I'm still not sure. I really just don't think it's the high percentage play to rush in so that both umpires are surrounded and both umpires are vulnerable to missing a bigger picture.

So I still prefer that approach. And it worked out here. It was alright. Um, I do believe the umpires are on radios, so I'm not sure why it, you know, why they. At what point it couldn't be, it's, you know, Argentina, seven, you know, make sure he's, he's pulled away or something. You know, you, you can use your radios to communicate in those moments, but again, you're in the moment, the adrenaline's high.

So I, I'm not trying to be picky, I'm just trying to present other options that might work better in a, a greater percentage of situations. So there you go. Jamal Burgess,

Do you guys remember the story I've told about an umpire walking up to a coin toss and pulling out his cards and taking his green one and tossing over shoulder and a yellow over another shoulder and then just putting his red in his pocket and saying, Have a good game. Gentlemen, That guy right there.

And if it wasn't huge, Jamal, just take it cuz it's a great story. It's a great. story Okay. Sorry, you, but you did make a comment. I'm just excited to see you. Uh, he left the umpire that did not see what happened. Who now has to explain what has happened. Yeah. And, and they, they did have a conversation, so I, I clipped a couple seconds out, but I tried to leave the point at which, you know, there was a little bit of, um, um, you could see some of the communication between the two of them where, you know, they talked and then he brought him over.

But I do understand it was him. I tell the story all the time, Jamal, you're like famous on the internet, so

you might think, Oh my goodness. Um, Master's hockey, really over fifties. Really Red card guys hitting each other with sticks. I was watching some of the rest of the game. leading up to this, and I've, I've mentioned this several times, that I don't believe red cards come out of nowhere. And when they do, we have either a systemic or a game time,

lack of interventions, lack of appropriate interventions made by the umpires in the moment. And that was certainly happening in that game. I was literally skipping from minute to minute going, Oh, that's a breakdown. Oh, that's a breakdown. That's a breakdown. Okay. If we don't do our jobs, the players look after the job for us and we get something like that. So please take that part very seriously when I'm imploring you to give your cards early and set out your stall and make sure that players understand that you have seen every breakdown and you are willing to give the appropriate interventions and that they understand that you are going to be deadly consistent in this.

I'm not doing it just because I think that, you know, that'll make you special. I'm doing it because it's gonna save your game from getting into something like that. Okay. That's my thing. Masters is over 34 and it gets fiery. Yeah, that makes sense. And thank you

Okay, I like you. You're funny. Very. Yeah. Over 35 is technically masters in. A lot of places. So there you go. We don't have a poll on that one because I don't think anybody has anything to say about that. And man, my camera's jumping all over the place. Let's move on to the next topic. Double Trouble with Dragons.

It's not dragons, it's Dragons. This is the first play.

This might be a complete mess. So we're gonna, we're gonna watch this

and,

oops, see, it's just gonna go to different scenes all the time. So here's the replay. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this. So poll. Okay. Oops. I can't do this in advance. I can't make polls in advance. I researched the heck out of this, but I guess I could have a moderator helping me next time. Um, what's your decision?

And the decision is pc. Um,

okay. I think I can have four options. So there's the four options. Let's hear what you have to say. Drag ons, anger, all the heart, half the physical fitness, a third of the timing and all the skills. I'd like to say all the brains, but I don't think we see a lot of brains in that last play, unfortunately. I think the beautiful part about becoming an older player is

you finally understand all the things that you wish you could have learned when you were in your twenties. I mean, the way that I can see the game now, man, but it's wasted in this completely athletically stunted, biological meat sack, I tell you.

So I just get more angry that there's a lot of things that I can't do that I can just, I wish I could do the thing where I go over there and then I lift the ball over that way, and then I, Yeah, Just doesn't happen. Anyway, let's hear what you have to say on this. Thank you. Off side. Great. It's not one of the poll options.

Oh man. You better come into the discord and introduce yourself. Blue looks like obstruction into white. White nudges. Okay, so blue is the attack.

Okay, in real time, you'd never call anything slow down. It looks worse, but the defender's clearly watching the ball and didn't expect the attack to be there. So and so was unsteady on his feet.

No option. So have to go with the Nudge PC for Jennie. Okay, let's see what's happening with the vote here. It looks like a PC is the highest I, How do I see the rest of the votes? I don't know. Okay. I've been told to change. I'm gonna tell you to change that language. That doesn't exist. It's either a penalty corner or it's a penalty stroke.

Hi! You're gonna go umpire game. Rhyan, get to see you. Always nice of you to stop in. You wanna check the re check the replay squad on this one for sure.

Okay. Wait, are we still on three? Okay. I think we are.

Shayne!

Don't do that. When I'm recovering from covid, restarting with a bully, I'm gonna smack that bully right outta your face.

I love you, Shayne. You're awesome. Oh, I wouldn't have expected you to actually apologize, so if I, I'll be gentle. I'll be gentle next time. There you go. Make sure you get your votes. I wanna see what happens.

Okay. Attacker has every right to be there. Defender leads with an arm in Slowmo. It doesn't look like an accidental clash. Jamal, he still had to reach and didn't gather the ball. So no penalty stroke, but the defender has to be in control. Okay, so just double checking. We're just gonna, we're just gonna pop in here and we're, Oh, whoa.

What did I do? Somebody didn't lock their scenes. Okay. Can I lock this lock over late? There we go. I won't do that again. Okay, we're just gonna pop over to section 12, 5 12 4. I was close. Penalty stroke is awarded for an offense by a defender in the circle, which prevents the probable scoring of a goal and unintentional for an intentional offense.

In the circle by a defender against an opponent who has possession of the ball or an opportunity to play the ball. And a coroner is given for an offense by a defender. Uh, let's say be here for an intentional offense in the circle by a defender against an opponent who does not have possession of the ball or opportunity to play the ball.

Sorry, that continues there.

Okay. There's no option for a penalty corner for an accidental offense by a player who doesn't have potential to play the ball or actual possession.

So if you check 12.3 and took 12.4, just a little more carefully,

this is all valid. I can't wait to to see what you say. I've been told to change in the next scenario. Um, in real time. You'd probably play on for Candice. Awesome, thank you. Um, let's see. Astair in real time, I would play on and take a look at my opposing umpire. Good choice to have a little, um, a little look up.

Jennie. Play on in the replay PC real time cuz you don't think you would've seen the first movement. It's a penalty corner for William looking at the ball. Unintentional, the attacker doesn't have possession. Okay, but do they have a likely possession of the ball, Rachel, in real time, un sufficient. Uh, cause to call the offense intentional.

Definitely not a probable goal. Scored opportunity. So it's a pc. So for Rachel, it's an unintentional foul against a player who has possession or likely possession of the ball. Basically as it seems to be the style. Retime, not realtime, not two possibilities. White had a nudger blue and unintentionally or blue intentionally invited it.

Worst for you. It's pc, but probably get on with it. The pass is kind of pants. You're not wrong about that. Oh, I should get, I should put the replay back up. Sorry. You're staring at the…

Inge. You're gonna have to be honest. I don't ever expect anything else from you, Inge. You'd say depending on where you are as an engaged on par in real time, you'd give the penalty corner, not what you just voted . Well, that's gonna make the poll really silly, isn't it? Okay, I'll just, I'll leave it up for another couple seconds and then I'll go to the two minute warning and I'll give you my thoughts.

Penalty corner with repetition, penalty corner and a. Mike, if it's an intentional foul, if you're giving a card inside the circle for a foul that is on the ball, it has to be a stroke. Okay. The FIH briefing has made it very clear. We do not have the latitude. The only time you could give a card inside the circle without it being a penalty stroke, cuz if the foul is off the ball and you could give a card and a penalty corner for that.

And we worked through scenarios like that, but that is not an appropriate combination. We can't do that anymore. We haven't been able to do it for a couple years. And I've,

I'm telling you I did, I did. Look, I warmed up for day today by listening to two episodes of Lexi. Let's Stick together. So I'm full in Lexi. And it's a play on for Steve real time. You think the attacker can get possession and an intentional foul for a penalty stroke and the replay, you're not so sure about the possession.

Okay. Depends on the level for been told to change, yet everything does. So one of the principles that we try to apply is just to say, Hey here, this is what we would do here in this scenario. Because one of the principles is the relative skill levels of the players, the relative intelligence of the players, that sort of thing.

They're understanding, but the player, But do they have likely possession of the ball? Are they deprived of likely possession of the ball? And it doesn't have to be good possession of the ball. They don't have to collect it, you know, fully balanced.

The pass isn't great, but he sort of pulled out the lead that he was making. Did he pull out of the lead he was making or was he. impeded from continuing the lead because of the push that he got. Okay. I'm gonna watch it one more time

before I,

Okay. Here's the point, The first point of contact.

Notice the legs of the players.

Two minute warning. Let's end the poll. Let's see what happened.

38% want a penalty corner, 38%, same number want a play on penalty, stroke and a card. 17% penalty, stroke 5%, five and penalty stroke, and a card 17%. That is about as even of a split as anything. And I agree that in real time I probably would've let that play on. There's definitely contact, but I don't see anything that should have stopped the attacker's lead as abruptly as it stopped, except for the fact that he feels the defender there and I think he goes down quite easily.

So I believe the decision in this moment was a play on by the umpire involved who will remain, remain unnamed. So that's, that's where I'm going with that. And I have to say that I flip flopped from a penalty stroke on that one. But I, I just don't think, and it's, and it's not because of this, but it's because I, I think that he, um, that there wasn't much there.

Uh, ask the 20 umpires. That's a good one. Very funny. Slow down the attacker makes the contact look worse. And that's, that's where I'm picking up that whole, like I look for the feet because I think we tend to look for the sticks and we don't look for the body contact in the feet. And was the def, was the attacker like tripped up?

Was there an entanglement of their ankles or something like that? There wasn't. And there you go. A push is a push pc. Definitely.

Oh, it's not often, is it? Is that, is that how that's going for you? There you go. So I understand, um, post up was a little early. Yeah, he was, he was absolutely protecting the space. And then I think he made the most out of the contact that he received might just be a Schwalbe. Schwalbe. I have no idea how to pronounce that.

The Schwalbe, I don't know. Um, yeah, I'm not sure because I don't think he was disadvantaged by the push. That's why, that's, that's my interpretation of that situation. I think he disadvantaged himself. Looking at the player reaction, the four doesn't seem to immediately get up requesting the fell. Yeah, no, I, I clipped it.

You didn't hear the screams afterwards. The screams. Okay. Won't be the first time, or won't be the last time, but, uh, you'll, you'll do it less as time goes on. And for Chris, he, he dove to get the ball because he wouldn't have reached it standing. I think he could have reached it standing, except he chose not to clear gap between the, the players.

How can you feel him? But he, he felt, Okay, I'll do this once, I'll do this once

because I already did this. I'm not sure. Maybe you weren't watching at this moment. What do you mean he can't feel him? What do you mean he can't feel him? What do you mean he can't feel him? What do you mean he can't feel him? ? Like, look at what's happening on the screen and a.

Okay, so the next one, uh, I'm, same game.

Have a look. It's already been an hour

two minutes up.

Okay. This is going awfully slow, but you get to see, you get to see it at 10% speed.

I'm interested in been told to change what they're gonna say handy. These are at the end of the camera. Yeah. Well, that, that often happens. Yeah.

Okay, so you don't know what the, what the decision is necessarily from the umpire's body language. Oh, shoot. Another pole. Another pole.

That option

and play on there. There's a very helpful prompt at the end. Ask my community. I'm like, Yes, I'd like to do that. I would like to ask my community right now. Vote. Vote monkeys. Vote.

Okay. Thank you mods. Appreciate it. Well done. I know, right? Anytime that I get spam, I'm like, Yeah, and that particular spam has been hitting a few of my friends in the last few days, so there you go. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Pelmore, you legend. Hi Tristan. Good to have you trick. There you go. The spammer went down.

No, I know you're talking about the player and I think he kind of did. There you go. There you go. There's contact feels here. But pass is pants, , he goes. Let's to dive and see if we can get lucky. Yeah, there you go. Okay, so there's an obstruction, a third party obstruction in this one from Jennie penalty corner for a stick tackle and fishing from the defender.

Fishing's not a fall, sir. Ma'am, folk. Y'all blue goes halfway up the stick. Okay. Judo is recommended. Would I say the attacker has stick blocked?

I'm intrigued, so I wanna watch this again. I am intrigued. Sorry I didn't trim that very well. That's poor editing on my part.

He's playing the ball in that direction. He comes over. He's always trying to move with his reverse stick and move the ball off to the right like that, and he's entitled to do so. So I would not deem that as a stick block. See, Jennie? Yeah, we'll see. See soon. I hope you guys like the Poles I at the polls.

Okay. Six is a defender.

He's,

Let me just play it for a second.

He's not even reaching for the ball. Like he's not even in the general vicinity. He's behind. His reach isn't as good and he tries to go underneath and he is trying to stick lift this

The polls are great. Yeah, they are excellent. Okay, then it's worth me clumsily trying to get a question in. I am gonna get a mod to help with though in the future. Uh, you'd like to hear the thoughts on old mate and the white stick handling. You'd consider it dangerous.

Let's see.

Uh, maybe it's hard to say The defender isn't playing the ball. Thank you, Mike. I agree. Yeah, no, St. it wasn't a voting option because I just didn't even think that it was that close. Yeah. Pushes the attacker. Okay. Let's see what happens. No, and it's, it's good to think, and I appreciate that you saw something as a possibility that I didn't even consider, but that's part of my, I I have to be a little bit better at finding some maybe fringe options and allowing them out.

There was a foul that said the D before the pass came in. You can't really see. Nah, don't, don't trouble yourself with otherwise. We're gonna go very far. First thought for Rachel is a pc, but you can say you can see the case for a stroke. I'm sure that's what you meant. Few things. You feel that the PC is most appropriate.

If there was a stick block, it would end any advantage. You'd go back for the original offense. Okay? Yeah, Don't love that, but I, I understand what you're saying. Two minute warning, Let's end the poll. And see what y'all said

and, Oh no, watch this. Watch this. I can do this. On the fly we have 66% looking for a pc. It worked technology. I got you. 18% for the stroke, play on 9% penalty, stroke, and a card for 6%. Yeah. I was leaning stroke on this, but I'm just, there's, there's a big push at the very top, top levels to clearly interpret intentional fouls by defenders inside the circle appropriately, meaning, let's get some more of those strokes called friends.

But for me, would I have called this as a penalty corner outside the circle? Same play. I would not have, I would've blown my whistle very quickly for a free hit, hoping that the St the ball was still gonna be close enough to the attacker that they could put it down quickly and go off on a self pass and get inside the circle.

That's, that's how I see that and the amount of disadvantage that's occurred. So that's where I go with that. Your gut feel was a PC for Adam? Yep. Nothing's changed your mind. I like it. I like the definitiveness. That's excellent. Okay. And this is where I have to kind of wing it cuz I didn't get my stream deck all programmed up.

So we're gonna skip We're we're just gonna go, I know it wasn't even two minutes, but we don't need to, Oh, I like this one. You guys are gonna enjoy this Are you guys hearing the audio

You can hear it? Excellent.

All right. Let's talk it out and talk it out. Talk it out. Talk it out. And talk it out. Talk it out.

Um, there.

Yeah. So when you signal your penalty strokes, I had to correct this, uh, during my career. You really want to not be moving your left arm through your field of vision and moving your left arm up and pointing with your right down, because there's a lot of things you're gonna miss at very vital mo vital moments left down, right arm up.

Okay. , you give up new glasses for the attacker. Free Hit Defense. Free Hit defense. Oh, okay. Gang, I'm gonna invite you.

To. Don't watch the attacker. Watch the goalkeeper. Watch the defender. In this case,

it's another thing we can talk about

stargazer pose.

don't get you started. Watch the goalkeeper.

Have you all watched The goalkeeper

keeper is stationary once as foot plants. Okay, but, when does this foot plant?

Free hit defense free hit defense. Well, somebody's gonna really like watching this replay. Did the attacker have control of the ball? Been told to change. Thank you. Somebody's starting to understand.

Thank you, you guys.

Oh boy. A Don't listen to the commentators. I just don't listen to the commentators. Second of all, I know I started with a, now we're going to, second of all, you have to watch the defenders when contact is about to occur. You have to watch the defender. Do not watch the attacker,

the angle at which we're watching this. We do not see much of a change of direction of the attacker because they start moving towards us.

The attacker is dribbling, pulls the ball to their right. After doing so, the goalkeeper steps to their left into the path of the attacker.

Yeah, I don't, I don't even wanna start with that.

Not if they move into the path of the attacker. No, it's not their, it's not their space to be in. It's a good question, but,

And you'd give a penalty stroke with the gut feeling. Look at the positioning of the umpire as well. Now, okay, the signal sucked, but look at the position of the umpiree. He's watched this whole thing. He's perfectly situated.

He stopped moving towards the ball penalty, stroke, and the keeper is lucky to be on the field to defend it. After that shocking behavior. What could the keeper not have done to concede the foul? I don't know. Tried to play the ball. If the keeper had tried to play the ball, if there had been any motion.

Towards the ball with, you know, the things that he has to stop the ball like a stick, like pads, like a blocker, Like anything, instead of just stepping to the left into the path, the attacker

Rachel sees it now might not have done in real time. Then the keeper's foot is not between the attacker and the ball at any point. I'm not sure what that means.

You mean the ball's already gone?

Okay. The ball's already gone and then the foot comes down. I think that's what you mean. I don't wanna put words in your mouth. because I couldn't, I couldn't possibly do you justice. Tacker pulls the ball, right, But he continues into the goalkeeper, eg. Not with the ball. If the goalkeeper had gone for the ball, but similarly ended in the path of the attacker, what would I have called?

I would've probably called a free hit for defense.

What happens if a field player does this in the middle of the field? Makes no attempt at the ball and just steps into the path of an attacker who has moved the ball around? We've seen many of these.

Okay. Mods y on it. Thank you. Good work. What the Sam Hill is happening today? They were.

I'm gonna change my, I, we've been really, really had a good run of no spammers because I have some auto words that trigger. I had to remove balls off that list though, cuz a whole bunch of people's comments were getting held because it had balls in it. But we talk about balls all the time.

There you go.

You can't kick them. Just hide.

There we go. Okay. What's two minute warning it.

And I'm glad everybody went with their vote and their gut on this and, and jumped at what they saw in the moment. But

had the goalkeeper not moved and stepped to the left, into the attacker's path, that collision would not have happened. So putting that much onus onto that attacker, given that there was no play on the ball, I think is the

incorrect interpretation of what you've seen. And at every point we need to be a lot better at not. Watching what the attacker does, and especially the angle that we're at, we don't see it the way that the umpire in the position down at that post would've seen it. He would've seen more movement. He would've seen that and more of that.

And I'm not saying that an over 45 master's player was as nimble as you know, Arthur van Doren in there. I'm not saying that we have to, We're umpiring at levels every day where players are not as skillful. They're not as physically adept, they're not as fast, and we have to weigh all those things. It's the intention of the player who has committed the foul that we need to examine.

If the goalkeeper hadn't stepped at all and the attacker took him down, Oh yeah, that's easy. Free hit up. If the goalkeeper tried at the. And the attacker had like plowed over him and then the goalkeeper had been disadvantaged in making their save free hit out easy. It's the step to the side without making an attempt to the ball.

That is an intentional blocking of the player. And that is time.

Okay. Sorry, I'm just looking at some of these comments.

The first time I watched it, I thought free hit defense as well. But from this angle, let's be a little smart about being able to extrapolate.

Um, for Tristan, even if the keeper hasn't stepped in, you think the player would've crashed into him, but this is why. Well, yeah, I understand. And, but I don't want it to be like that, but I, I just,

Yeah, I, I've said my point a few times and if it's not persuasive to y'all, then so be it.

Uh, you need to go when? I'll do the next one. And can I do one about aerials? Well, I'm not gonna do any about mermaids, but I will do one about an aerial ball and we do many aerials on here, but it's good to have you catch up with the rest of the replay. 1 21. Where are we at? Okay, let's see if I can get to this quickly.

Um, what's the next one? Can you be too helpful? Yeah. I'm gonna deal with this one pretty quickly.

This was posted on social media straw poll, please. What are your thoughts on, umpires announcing to all that a free hit, uh, a free hit attack has required, has traveled the required five meters, um, or umpires responding to a defender's request, typically with one arm raised for some reason, to ask whether they required five meters from a free hit in their own 23.

I never do the former necessarily, don't necessarily feel it's your place to advise on the ladder. I feel either runs the risk of setting a precedent for the rest of the match. Are you missing a game management tool? Really welcome views. Are they missing a game management tool?

There you go. Have a look, have a, have a quick vote. If you've been around my streams for a while, I think you know where I'm going with that. But yeah, absolutely. And I'm trying to teach everybody how to think and when we do a decision like that, which I mean clearly my view is not a popular one of that, and the goalkeeper involved is gonna be very excited.

And I'm just gonna take a drink right now,

but

we need to make sure we're looking at the right things. And we also have to understand that our psychological profiles and our makeup is going to be to defend our position. And it's something I think about all the time that when our mind is made up, we dig in and defend that because it's important for our psyches to be consistent and we get so much pushback all the time.

I think it takes a real adept, critical mind to be able to make up their mind in one way and then after reflection, after introducing different thought patterns to change that. That's what I did on this cuz I was going free hit out the whole way for like the first two times I watched it and I was like, Oh, wait a minute, I'm not looking at the right person.

Thank you. You had to stand off with a player once who insisted you not personally told him that it was him. You'd called for not going. Five. You can only do so much. Second one you do as both an umpire and as a defender. Candice, you think you can be too helpful, but this isn't it. And Martin can't stop thinking about mermaids.

It's not coaching, so why not says Ben Burton same without Oh, the circle. Okay, so let's, let's two minute warning this and we'll end the poll. And is he, is this umpire missing a management tool? Yes, they are. Says 95%. Thank you very much. And you are correct. Holy smokes, come on. And obviously you're not gonna run after people and tell them every single time because you don't have to, but you are being proactive.

Your job isn't to trick players by being secret, silent and then ha ha got you penalty corner card. Get off the pitch. We're there to try to make the game great. We're trying to help the players play the best they can.

Open your mouth and be proactive when it's needed and you'll find that players appreciate the help because they're not there trying to cheat all the time. And yeah. When players are putting up their hand like that to say, Am I five? I don't know if they're doing that or not, if I'm confused as to whatever the question is.

But as a matter of principle, if I want players to understand that they're five meters and that they're good because it's close, I will say, You're good. That's five. Because I'm also saying, as soon as I've blown the whistle, I need the ball back there. You get five, two more steps. Those are the things that are coming outta my mouth habitually, particularly at the binging any of the game or throughout a game when I'm dealing with novice players, when I'm dealing with inexperienced adults, when I'm dealing with juniors, because I want them to learn from me and if I can tell them what it is and I'm doing that, whenever it's close, we have a better game on our hands.

Thank you very much for that.

No gotchas says, uh, where are we? Where are we? Well, yeah, right. You're not, you're not gonna tell players to that the ball's gone five when it's already gonna go 10 before it even goes close to the circle. Of course not. Yes, it's it. They are useful to everybody, these instructions, because players know when they can tackle.

That's also a very good thing. There you go. You went with a free hit defense initially. Yep. Okay. And that's fine. That's fine. Got.

That's another good point, Simon, that there are camera angles to be considered. There you go. You wish you could be the gotcha umpiree, but you can't seem to make yourself. Yeah. Well that's because when you've played, when you have a player's heart, when you have the heart of service and that you're, you're there to help the game, you're gonna talk.

Yeah. Not, not necessarily throughout, but yes, at the start when you're establishing your standards and no gotchas, you keep the game going. Okay. Good stuff you guys. Um, where are we at? Okay. Forever in face mask? I don't know. I'm trying to make the titles interesting. I don't know if it. So a team won a penalty corner.

The opposing team won a penalty corner with 20 seconds to go in a tie game. One of the opposing team players still had their knee pads on from defending a corner 30 or 40 seconds. Previously. The umpire gives the corner against

this player's team. It's pointed out that the player from the other team is wearing knee pads. The corner is reversed and then the full-time whistle is blown. What's your decision and what are my options? I wrote these down cuz these are pretty important. Do, do, do. Okay. Let me just get all these in penalty.

Corner stands.

This is really scintillating stuff when I'm sitting here copying and pasting from another document. Do, do, do, do, do. I'm trying to be entertaining. I'm gonna see my retention, My audience retention is gonna dive every time I start typing poll questions. That's what I'm gonna see at option, Okay? Um, ask my community.

Come on. Oh, there, one of, one of the answers was too long. Okay. Here's your poll. As I was saying, as I was writing 'em up,

I was feeling particularly creative, terrible seo, but cuter to look at during the livestream. Tristan did the defender having the knee pads on affect the game? Good question. Ask. Not really enough info for Ben. Did the knee pad guy win the pc? Good question. Ask who else has questions?

Who else has questions on this?

I can see the questions popping up in YouTube faster than they're coming up here. Come on now. There it is. With the player's hat on, says, Mike, How do you feel about the penalty Corner stands, but because the player gained advantage by not having to take the penalty corner defense equipment off, then a green card for the player is similar to 12 players on a field.

Interesting option and one of the options that I gave in the poll, where was that? Player with the knee pads

as the rules don't restrict to knee pads only mask, you'd say the PC stands taco, you're being contentious. And I like where you're coming. I like the cut of your gyps or, Cause I've, we've had this, we've raised this point in several streams that we have assumed because of the treatment of that equipment within most of our communities over the last, while that knee pads have come into vogue that it's part of the penalty corner of equipment.

But if we go to the wording of the rules,

we're going back to two, four, we're going to what? Two, four. Okay. Are permitted to wear any form of body protection, including leg protection or knee pads when defending a penalty corner underneath normal playing clothing. Knee pads used for this purpose may be worn outside the socks. Okay.

This is not particularly clear, unambiguous language.

Okay. And then when you go to this clause, are permitted to wear a smooth, preferably transparent mask, which follows the contours. When defending a penalty corner, a penalty stroke players should remove their penalty. Corner equipment is able soon as they're able to do so after the penalty corner is completed.

But this is all inside the face mask guidance clause. and instead of it expressly defining, it says this is body protection, but they don't use the term that's used in this clause. Penalty corner equipment. We have an undefined term here, friends. And in the practice of law, this is called a nightmare.

Were the knee pads on the whole time or just for the penalty corner, says Luke. And that's interesting because our knee pads actually not allowed to be worn unless they're worn for a penalty corner. Defense. I've been in games where players are wearing knee pads because they've got, you know, they've got abrasions or, you know, I, I'm considering that I might feel more comfortable playing myself with two knee replacements.

How wearing knee pads cuz I don't know what'll happen if I get hit. Really hard on the knee. I mean, it will, I, I mean, I know there will be pain in the tissue that surrounds my new prosthetics, but will, could I dent the metal or the ceramic? Could it chip? Could the force be transferred to the glued parts where the prosthetic is attached to the bone and that shock like caused a disruption?

Because let's just say that my surgeon did not tell me that I was allowed to play hockey again. What if knee pads could save me from a very, very terrible revision surgery? Do you have to remove your shin pads when you're finished at pc? That's a good question. Below that paragraph, Keely, yes, Gideon, it.

Players must remove all protective equipment before leaving the 23. Okay, let's see what he means.

All players must remove all protective equipment before they leave the 23 meter area. So do I have to remove my mouth guard or my shin guards? What's protective equipment? What is penalty corner equipment? What is body protection? That's three different farfeneugen terms, That's three different terms within like four paragraphs.

Are you kidding me? I have no idea what they're talking about. It also says all players, so that's all attackers too. Exactly. Like this is hilarious. This is literally the worst. And boy, I've said this a few times, but I really mean it this time. This is literally the worst, worst , the worst word, most poorly worded clause.

There you go. Um, it restricts kneepads in four. Four. Okay. That's valid. Let me have a look at four. Four,

but four. Four is for goalkeepers, and here we have protective equipment. Again, so does the goalkeeper have to remove their protective equipment?

Okay, so you're saying the following are permitted. Okay. Knee protectors, lead guards, and kickers. Okay, I understand what you're saying. Hmm.

Thigh and knee protectors, leg guards, and kickers. Okay. That's a good point. Thank you Chris. I appreciate it.

Yes, thank you. This is all players. Okay. I was like, where's my swear button? Okay. Cuz I wanna save it. I'm only allowed maybe two or three swears broadcast before YouTube might get upset at me. So I wanna make sure when I do it, I really mean it when I swear. If only there were a legally trained FIH umpire, coach and mentor available somewhere.

What kind of crazy talk are you partaking in, sir? But I'm not even the only legally trained FIH umpiring person out there. One of the members of the rule committee is, is currently a practicing lawyer. There are, I can count right off the top of my head. Three on the world. we're there. We're out there.

Just gotta fix one. Yeah. Okay, fine. But it was a really good, ran to the time, Mike. I understand. So no one else can use knee protection. I guess they can, but only once. I know that, that's gonna be interesting for me cuz I kind of wanna wear knee protection now. Can make it, I don't want that. I don't, I don't think any of us want that.

Okay, let's, let's end this poll cuz I wanna see what everybody's got to say.

I'm really digging this system. I just need like, oops. Okay, now, now it's moving. I can't, don't Any comment for a second. Okay, There it goes. I got it.

Okay, 73% want the penalty corner to stand. They want this corner to stand, and card a player is 17% of the time it's a free hit for the defending time team. 8%. And yeah, to me this is like if we miss a foot and it happens somewhere else on the pitch and then the play's running up and edge of the 23 and all the kind of stuff from the way it's described.

I know we're extrapolating and assuming, but I think that the player involved in this situation would've said, so literally the guy who was still wearing his knee pads made the pass that hit my, hit my defender's foot. And that's not mentioned there. It's just a defender. A player on the opposing team is still wearing knee protection.

It's, That's not the point of this. This is supposed, it's not. The rule isn't there so that players are slowed down before they can rejoin the play. The rule is there so that players do not cause safety issues to other players throughout the field, and this is especially with the knee protection and the gloves.

This is a technicality trying to stop the slippery slope from becoming, field players are running around all over the pitch with tons of equipment on, which causes them to act with less regard for their own safety. Science has proven that this happens. Those of us who know ice hockey know this is true.

Those of us who watch American football know this is true. Okay, Not just anecdotally, the statistics are clear, so I'm glad you guys have come to that same conclusion. What the hell? We're at one? Oh, it's 1 49. I might as well just. I might as well just go to the last topic. I'm sorry I'm keeping late. For those of you who are staying, thank you.

I appreciate your patience, but I just wanna just wanna bring up this last one because it's going to be my rant to the week. Are you ready? Everybody? Raise your glasses. Rant to the week.

Rhetorical question is rhetorical!

Penalty corner. First shot is hit wide, about a meter from the post. It hits a defender's foot on the baseline and deflects over the line penalty corner. Long quarter awarded. 139 comments at the time that I picked out this particular phrase.

And I'm gonna give you a no, I'm not even gonna give you a poll. Because wait. Oh is my ran to the week? Gonna work?

Let's try it again. Does it work? No, it doesn't work cuz it's not on this scene. You heard the bomb, but friends, this to me is the example. It's kind of the epitome of everything that's wrong with social media and umpiring because the answer to this question is yes.

What's a long corner? That's another one. Oh Inge. Don't be silly . We know what's happening here. We know what's happening. Um, let me get back to the, to the question. The answer to this is yes because we have no idea, whether there was any disadvantage or not. This very well, with one meter away from the endline could have been, or it says it's about a meter from the post, but we don't know where it hits the defender's foot.

Maybe it was five meters away from the endline. Maybe it was seven meters away from the endline, but the ball was going a meter. Why did the post? That's the only thing we know. We have no idea where any of the other players are whatsoever. Please don't be this person. And the reason that I try to bring up clips, we experienced it as we were going through the face mask problem.

We have no idea who did what, where were players on the pitch. Where was the player with the, Maybe the guy wearing the knee protection was inside his own defending half, but just happened to be outside the 23. Maybe he was the person who played the ball inside the circle onto a defender's foot. It could have been any of those things, which would've changed our perception of whether disadvantaged occurred or not, even though that's not really a disadvantaged situation.

It's technicality. We went through that, but you understand what I mean?

Let's not waste our time. 139 comments that all basically said yes, no. Yes. What if this, what if that,

Ian, wait for the rant. If, if, but we don't know because a lot of things can change, but for that foot, would it have gone off that same defender stick instead? We don't know. Go to video, and that's the problem that we have. We have this problem now, the video umpires have been disempowered from making decisions about what is advantageous or not, whether an actual benefit was gained or not, and it's troublesome.

Okay. Right, Absolutely. Sounds like a stroke. See? Exactly. It's obviously one or the other, obviously. Obviously. Okay. Well, friends, um, here's to 92. I am so happy that you are the people that I get to celebrate this with and I can't believe that two and a half years later I'm still coming out and messing up my scenes on the internet.

Um, I lov everything that we learn together. I love the fact that there's an honest exchange where we're trying to get to better understanding, better ways of explaining things and better ways of serving the game. So you guys are amazing and salut, slainte.

Very big cheers. Absolutely love it. See, you guys have really picked up the, the mantle here and being jerks and I love it. Exactly, exactly. It could have been from a meter, from the injector, like who knows? Who knows? Thank you very much. You can't be in the huddle. Yep. But if any of you wanna hang out, I, I have half a glass of wine still to drink, uh, in the discord.

Remember, this is where it is, and you can try to explain to me. Why I wouldn't stick with a penalty stroke and a yellow card for that goalkeeper so that he could go to the suspension chair and reassemble all their equipment. Cuz he certainly needed the time to get all of it on. Cuz it all came off. All of it.

Thank you. Show wine sound effects. And me. Oh my God. Jamal, I'm so glad to see you. One my blast, blast from my past, great friend. And, uh, it's, it's good to have you around. See who knows, Who knows what's happening.

You guys are great. You're the best. I love it. You're very welcome. Very welcome. Hey, don't keep it a secret. Tell everybody you know that you love. . I don't find it creepy at all. You are. Okay. DM me. Let's, uh, let's talk. Adam, thank you. Thank you. And you're looking forward to the hundredth episode. No, no, no, no.

This is it, Adam. This is the whole point. There's a link in description to what 92 means to me. This is my big day. I don't care about a hundred. There's two round numbers in it, but that's just a number that needs to lose weight. That's all. That's all I'm saying. You're very welcome. Awesome to have you.

Where is my, Oh, there it is. Okay. Enjoy your hockey week. Take care of seeing the Discord server.

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