Nations Pro Cup League: All The Things | WhatUpWednesday Ep. 157

📅 Jun 5 19.00 GMT
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We have a probable goal penalty stroke, double green cards, obstruction on a chasing defender, card for an intentional 5m aerial infringement, first shot at goal on a PC…and that's just the warm-up!

Get ready for a rapid-fire, brain-exploding stream as we review action from the Nations Cups in Terrassa and Gniezno and Pro League in Antwerp and Lee Valley. Frankly, I'd take the over on whether we're keeping it to a #KeelyHour…

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⏱ Chapter Markers:
00:00:00 Chair Dancing 💃🏻
00:04:19 Topics!
00:06:06 1a. Penalty stroke for a probable goal ➡️ #FIHProLeague BELvAUS (W)
00:14:18 1b. Penalty stroke positioning ➡️ #FIHProLeague BELvAUS (W)
00:20:04 1c. Intentional aerial infringement inside the circle ➡️ #NationsCup KORvESP (W)
00:24:18 2a. When is a free hit taken? ➡️ #FIHProLeague BELvAUS (M)
00:30:07 3a. Double green cards ➡️ #FIHProLeague AUSvARG (M)
00:40:19 3b. Green card for intentional aerial infringement ➡️ #FIHProLeague ESPvARG (M)
00:43:53 3c. Yellow card for slide for 50/50 ball ➡️ #FIHProLeague ARGvAUS (M)
00:49:35 4a. Obstructing a chasing defender ➡️ #FIHProLeague GBRvIND (M)
00:52:24 4b. Clean tackle from behind ➡️ #NationsCup KORvPOL (M)
00:54:07 4c. Tackle from behind interferes with stick ➡️ #NationsCup KORvITA (W)
00:59:26 5a. First shot at goal ➡️ #NationsCup JPNvCAN (W)
01:06:16 5b. Drag flick going wide causes danger ➡️ #FIHProLeague GERvUSA (W)
01:09:12 5c. FHA outside or PC inside ➡️ #FIHProLeague BELvCHN (W)

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Transcript

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Keely: What up, Wednesday, Keely Dunn FHumpires third team, hi, and hello. If you were just watching Pakistan France at the Nations Cup, what an exciting game. And every time Nick and Todd talked about how exciting it was to have Pakistan back a goal of a hockey, you know, I was sort of, ah. Okay, you're right. They're just absolutely right.

They bring something very, very special. So if you don't know about that game, get that game on your replay. Hi, Tom. Good to see you. And big, um, Mathijs, good to see you. First one for you to watch live. Hold it. Hold it. I hope that worked. Let me know if all of the things are working. Sound effects. Did they work?

Did they work? Let me just see. Let's. Yep, it looks like it from my, my end. You let me know if it, if it's, if it's there. Yeah. Um, very much worthwhile. The air horn is okay. Yeah. I've been, I've been doing some, some things, some changing 1 percent improvement every week. If I can just get 1 percent better, it'll be worth it.

All right. We have so much to go through. I absolutely. My hubris is excessive today. We are going to try to get through a whole bunch of clips grouped by very vague categories, as you will see, because here are our topics. Penalty stroke things, uh, free hit things. Actually, it's just one thing. It's just one clip.

Hard things, uh, tackling from behind things, and penalty corner things. Can anybody verify that there's something wrong with my microphone, or if it's just Stain on his end. Let me, let me know, please. And good to see you, Scott. And oh, I like, I'm sorry, but Simon!

Good to have you. It's been a long time. My mic is thin indeed. I wonder what's happening. Chris microphone, let's give it, I sound very thin. Let's try doing this. How is that? Let me know. I've got sound okay. I, okay. So I've got, I've got a few votes for thin. Let me know if that has fixed it. We're on ultra low latency today.

Uh, we are broadcasting in 1080p. Um, it should be the expensive mic. This is the expensive mic, and I just changed it to Shure MV7, so that should be working. Mic okay now. Okay, so it was the crisp. If there's a lot of outside interference, I have the window, the door open, so if you can hear construction noises outside, please let me know.

Okay, excellent. Let's get to it. Don't just stand there. Let's get to it. Strike a pose. There's nothing to it. Penalty stroke things. All right, here we go. FIH Pro League. This was Belgium, Australia.

There are no polls today because we have too much.

So just check your opinions in the chat, super fast, as fast as you can, get it in there.

Okay, so I decided, because I'm a jerk, that I wanted to include those comments that happened at the changeover because it's a good indication of just how much you have to apply a critical lens to what commentators say. Uh, because, Toby Valter, hey, you know what? Unbelievable goalkeeper, top notch, just retired from the German national team, is going to play with, uh, my best friend, Joep de Mol at Orange Road next season, but doesn't know a very important rule that you would think that a goalkeeper would want to know.

So the criterion for whether this should be a penalty stroke under a 12 point, 12 point which, Oh, I've moved all my buttons and now I don't know where my rules are. See you next time. Oh, I know what I've done here. Anyway, Rachel, look it up for me. I think it's 12. 3, 12. 4. Thank you, Simon. Well done, you. Good to have you there.

Is whether it's a probable goal. There is nothing in the rules, nothing in the guidance, nothing, nothing, nothing that says if the goalkeeper is behind the defender on the vertical or the horizontal plane, that that means it can't be a penalty stroke. That's just. Bullshit. That doesn't exist. It is one factor that you would include as to whether the goalkeeper would have saved the ball or whether it was probably going in the goal.

So that is exactly what we're going to look at is the chance of this being saved. Now, there are a few people on the Instagrams and the Facebooks and things like that, that said to me, that they thought the shot was going wide. And of course, if you're applying the criterion and you're, you're looking through things, you're gonna try to examine if this ball is going wide and it hits a player above their body, I don't believe that a defender who gets hit outside of the realm of the goal should be held responsible for their decision to stand, you know, near the goal line in order to block a shot because they're not expecting that ball to not go on target.

And we apply a stricter criterion in that situation to what is dangerous. Now that shot trajectory, I think people got a little confused Because that, the angle that we have, this is a fisheye lens right behind the goal, not even behind the goal, it's from inside the goal, and that means that what we're going to see is warped from back here.

So trying to determine whether this is coming at goal or not, if this is a shot at goal, it's, this is not a good angle to do it at. What you need to go by is more the front angle or this angle. And from that angle, it looks to me like it's going close enough to being a shot at goal. Okay. That is a shot at goal that doesn't actually have to go in the goal.

You apply strict criteria. And even then I think that that is absolutely fine. Then, was this a probable goal? Given that the goalkeeper in the moment that she's going to try to save this ball, and let me say right from the get go that I'm a massive fan of Bartram, I think she is the goalkeeper of the game.

The year 2023. I think she's brilliant. Now, the ball is hitting up here in the mid drift and Bartram is kicking out with her pad and her blocker is here.

Is that ball probably going in the goal? And I did a stream ages ago that maybe I should link to about what I think a probable goal is. And I said, you know what, when you look at all the dictionary definitions and common parlance and things like that, 75 percent chance. is good enough to be probable?

Well, that's a 75 percent chance. The line stopped as Is now like the word of the year in hockey. Cause I heard it so often in, in, in all the tournaments that are in all the matches that Toby Balter was commentating on just because they're behind or just because the goalkeeper is behind the line stuff doesn't mean they have a good chance of saving it.

So that's all that is there. Um, and Simon, there you go. Keepers at full stretch, balls going over the kicker pad, had it been stick side. Uh, she may have had a chance, well, depending on where, where it was going, of course, uh, for Rachel, goal bound for you, chance enough, enough for the penalty stroke, yes, under 20, 12.

4a. So again, critical lens with what you're hearing. Don't be. Don't be a, uh, don't be a, I was going to, I was going to use a term that is insulting to lemmings. And actually, as it turns out is actually inaccurate. Lemmings do not follow, follow each other off cliffs. That whole thing was staged. I read a thing about it and lemmings actually don't.

Biologists sometimes. Science. Anyway, so now we know about, first of all, lemmings and the correct application of 12. 4. Any questions, anything you want me to follow up on, please do let me know because we are speeding through this. Good to see you, Samantha, by the way. Great to have you. Okay, let's go. We're just, we're just rocking.

This is the penalty stroke that followed. Um, but this isn't about any kind of decision.

What I wanted to point out to you is actually the positioning of the controlling umpire in this situation. Okay. And Ali Keogh is not an accidental umpire. And this may well have been an experiment, but it is absolutely something that had to be a conscious decision because there's two elements here.

First of all, you can see the controlling umpire is actually side onto this ball. Normally they would be back here. And from that position, that's been our traditional controlling umpire position. That gives you a good view of the ball being played and when the goalkeeper leaves the line. And seeing those two things simultaneously is quite important.

In the last couple years, let's say, we're having more and more discussions about whether balls are being dragged on penalty strokes. And in order to see the footwork of the players, this angle actually gives you, this flat angle is what you need in order to see where, to accurately see where the right foot is.

lands as the ball is being played, and also if the play is being set up properly. So I showed a clip, uh, some time ago from, some time ago, last November from the Pan Am Cup Games. Can't remember. Santiago, Chile. And Ben Peters was umpiring Argentina versus Chile. And in order to see where the player's foot was, He actually peeked, he stepped up and peeked around, went back to his spot, and then when the penalty stroke was taken, he called a free hit against the stroke taker for having their left foot in front of the ball in the starting position.

To me, that's an opportunity to be proactive and not too aggressive. Reactive, probably for the rest of us. That's the better way to handle it at that level. Hey, I can understand. So consider that, but that is what we're looking at here with this. Oh, sorry. That's not looping at all. That's what we're looking at with this positioning.

And, and the next thing that I wanted to point out as this is happening is support umpire position. Ordinarily that supporting umpire would be about there, would be around the five meter mark. Okay. And singularly focused on whether the ball actually crosses into the goal and fully crosses the line. When you think about percentages, How many times do we have to make a call about a goalkeeper leaving early?

How many times do we need to make a call about a player dragging the ball or starting within proper foot position, starting to get more? How often is the crucial decision whether or not the ball crosses the line? It's just not as often. From here, this umpire potentially has a view of whether the Is being played, uh, is, is played after the goalkeeper makes the first movement, making the goalkeeper moving early.

And perhaps this was a, an agreement I haven't had a chance to ask yet. But it's something that we need to keep our eyes out on. I am here, as you all know, for any kind of challenge of the orthodoxy that is effective. That makes it easier for umpires to make hard decisions and to make them more accurately in a way that they can explain to teams and coaches and players and fans.

So this may work. I'm inviting those of you who are in the discord server, and if you're not in the discord server, get in the discord server because it's there. And hi BabyGurvy, nice to have you. Um, get in there and join the discussion. It's part of the Ask FHU, I started it, I asked, to see if anybody else was, whoops, this is supposed to be B, uh, Asking whether people would be willing to try this in certain situations.

If you are a more senior umpire and you're comfortable at the level at which you're umpiring and you have a thorough pre match chat with your colleague and you talk about how to do this, I'd like to know what your feedback is. Can you see what you need to see? Okay, so you need self analysis, you need confidence, you need credibility because you're doing something different and the players might be going, what, what are you standing there for?

And if you have coaches or assessors around, you better, first of all, don't do it when they're there, but, but you better talk to them about what you're thinking about doing and why and get their buy in before you do it. Okay? Because this is very different. This is very different, but I quite like it. Amit, what a pleasure to have you.

Good to see you. Uh, hang on. I

did it. Okay. So, let's hear your thoughts on that at some point. And on to the next one.

That's not the correct video. Hold, please.

Here we go.

Okay. So in this case, we're at the Nations Cup, Korea, Spain, and my good friend and roommate in 2011, uh, Mariana Herledo of Argentina is making a decision here and a very confident well timed decision that that is an intentional breakdown of the five meter zone. Now, We do know, and I had a nice conversation with a couple people at, uh, at the pitch last night about the new rules about aerials.

They're not new rules, but interceptions are permitted, but those interceptions have to be outside of playing distance. and safe. In this case, this can't be an interception because it's within playing distance of the initial receiver, who is the Spanish attacker, okay? And the, the Spanish attacker does the right thing.

She doesn't take a big swing at it. She doesn't do anything crazy, but that is absolutely where her stick would have been. That is her playing area in that, In that, uh, receiving area there. And the Korean player knows exactly where she is from where she's come from. She can see it. So that is deemed to be recklessness as a result of breaking down the play and a penalty stroke.

And Rachel agrees. And very good to see you, Ian, as well. That's fantastic. So, um, Yes, this is one of the interesting parts, Rachel, about this whole penalty stroke thing is that we don't have a lot of chances at it, but it's one of those things that you can try. If you go to a team training, if there's anybody training in your area right now, I don't know if you're in Australia, New Zealand or, uh, parts of Canada, lots of, lots of Canada actually right now, then you've got the opportunity to go and and ask them at some point, Hey, can we just run a few pummy strokes so I can try some things?

Okay. So that's a really valuable opportunity. I think that you, that you might want to investigate so that you can get some experience in running this and you need a colleague. Can't just be you. You need to have a colleague with you. So think about that as a possibility. Okay. There we go. Rolling fast. I love it.

All right. Announcements, because I have some flowers to give out. Here we are. Uh, wait, wait, wait,

look, not mad at this young man right here, who has officially become a KNHB umpire by passing his PVB exam. I don't know what that stands for. I just know that he had to pass it in order to become a full fledged KNHB umpire, Niels Decker. Thank you very much for all you've contributed to FHumpires and particularly the Discord.

He's the reason that we have a Discord and it changed everything for me and my involvement with the community and all that sort of thing. So I will never forget that contribution. And to thank him, I didn't put up the picture of him sleeping, sitting up at EHCO. I put this lovely picture up for him.

That's how I do that. Okay. Congratulations, Niels. AJ, good to have you, and you do agree. Okay. Excellent. Let's move on to our next topic, shall we? Since we're on a roll, 1225. No!

Like,

hang on. That's garbage. There!

Oh, I wonder if I have screwed up any other scenes. There's just too many scenes, friends. Too many scenes.

Here we are. We are looking at a very interesting free hit decision. I absolutely adore Adore this. I am so not mad. This was Ben Gunchin making this decision. And I mean, let's face it, the courage to see this and understand that a very experienced player at a very, at very top level of hockey is basically trying to earn themselves a mulligan.

They do play it forward and they do play it with the intention of going for that pass. And when they realize that the pass isn't on, they pretend as though they haven't taken it. Okay. This is fairly earlier in the game. Um, let me see exactly where it is. I mean, it's Q1, six, six minutes in. So it's, it's a good time if you're going to do something like this and to make it clear that you are studying the player's actions in order to determine their true intentions.

And I think it's a fabulous, fabulous called. Um, uh, love how you had a video umpire today in place for the place of the ball that started the shootout during the China GB match. Well, we are going to do that on replay, Tom, on Friday. No, not Friday. Cause I was going to take Friday off Saturday. I need a rest day friends.

I need a rest day. Yeah. We're going to watch that game. Uh, in the discord and have a look at all those sort of things and, oops, absolutely Rachel, being able to communicate with the players immediately, clearly and loudly and, and it, you know, they might put their hands up, but then it's like, Oh, well, we better, buddy, we'll get back.

Cause it's very clear with the umpire scene. So, I do give a lot of feedback and information about what kind of communication I think umpires should be optimizing for, what should they be spending their time on, and this kind of, this is what I've seen right now in the moment, is excellent, and the right, way to spend your valuable verbal capital with the players.

Explaining decisions after the fact. So if he had then had a long conversation with the Australian defenders about why he allowed that to continue to play and the play was going on and doing all kinds of things, well, that's not valuable. That is simply distracting you and Probably not helping the issues very much.

And players sometimes say, well, it's really great that they explain their decisions to me, but. The better, the thing that players should be prioritizing and should understand is it's actually better if that umpire is looking ahead, reading for the next decision so they can make the next decision just as correct as the last one.

And getting distracted by having a long conversation is not the best way to facilitate that. Okay. Ian agrees that it's a great call by Ben or the call of taken is fabulous. Totally agree. And. Irene, you need self analysis. Don't we all? We will talk about this. Irene, I will have your graphic up next week, but you didn't join in time for me to be able to get it done for this, but I just joined our FHumpires third team.

Yellow. I'm very excited to be able to work with you as we go forward. And that is going to be one of the areas in which we're going to be able to. to do this sort of coaching. So, um, I'm looking forward to it. Um, nobody was snoozing. Nobody was snoozing, but they have to, they're demonstrating a body language that, you know, I'm going to pretend that I've played it off and absolutely haven't.

And yes, nice big shout out. My favorite word as an umpire is play. Very good. Yeah. And there you go. Welcome to yellow. Hang on. I can do this.

I can spray confetti whenever I want. I don't have to wait for certain scenes or anything like that. Okay, fabulous.

You can tell that I haven't quite cleared my overlays properly. Uh, let's just very quickly What? What happened? What happened? What happened to my

Hold please. I'll come back to that later. When I can figure out my life. I don't know where my, um, I don't know where my, my, my scene went. It disappeared off my stream deck. So we're just going to go on to the next topic, which isn't this. It's this.

Hard things.

Did I say 1 percent improvement? Can I go to about like 0. 25?

Okay. So, uh, good to see you should, uh, where there it is. Nice to have you. This is a great example of an appropriate use of double green cards for off the ball incidents that do not disadvantage either team from playing the ball in the immediacy In one case, it could be a free hit out. If the defenders had been disadvantaged from playing the ball on the second shove, on the first shove, it could have possibly been a penalty corner for an intentional foul against a player who did not have likely possession of the ball, but disadvantage did occur.

But, uh, the umpire here doesn't see any actual disadvantage from playing it. Just some really fun misconduct. Fun. That is the word that I'm, I'm using here. So what's nice is that since he's deemed it not to be disadvantageous and something he's going to interrupt the play with is that he clocks that, okay, there's been one and then I'm going to get the other one.

And he communicates it very clearly to Casella, uh, and I'm pronouncing that right because apparently his name is Italian, not Argentinian. And so the Italians would pronounce the double L's like that. Um, That, so, Cassella and, uh, I can't remember who, who collided with him. And it's, and it's an interesting assertiveness that you see from the defenders that is actually quite common inside the circle where they think they can get away with a little off the ball thing, but because the player had already been off the, off balance because of that little slide, maybe that wouldn't have been so much of a collision that, that that took that player to the ground in other circumstances.

That is not the attacker making a meal of it. That is just a circumstance of how those two players came together, but absolutely created by the defender, and then the retaliation is obvious. For us as umpires, it's really Beneficial. It's wonderful if we can see the first action and deal with that at the same time.

We often get caught up because we're not sure about the first thing that we saw but we absolutely saw the second thing so we're going to deal with that and card that person off the pitch. Get the first one whenever you can and if you're not sure about the first one, talk to your colleague. Use the radios.

Really, really important. Um, because it's not It's not big enough at this level for a two times yellow. Those are, you know, those are players bumping into each other. So, and, no, I don't agree.

It worked. This game was expertly managed by these players. And given that we are at, uh, let's see, we've got Q3, two minutes left, 1 2 score line. It is, It is a big part of the game where the warnings are effective and just because it's physical contact doesn't mean it has to be a five minute yellow or has to be a ten minute yellow, okay?

And these players know how to, how to fall to the ground, okay? So don't overreact to all of that. If your situation is different and a yellow card is necessary because the degree of physicality is higher, go ahead, but not here.

Uh, Tom, since the umpire gives both a green card, so also for the prior offense, could Argentine ask for the PC? Um, no, because you, you, You still want to give, just because it happens inside the circle and it's off the ball doesn't mean that a team penalty should be associated with that. There has to be some kind of disadvantage.

So what you're thinking about is, say that push takes the player down just before the ball gets crossed and they would have otherwise got their stick on it and been able to play it. Okay, so it's closer to possession than that is. That's just misconduct off the ball, okay? So that is not going to be a 12.

3c situation, 12. 3c. Let's see, I, I realize I've, I've, uh,

I've messed this up here by blocking. And let's see if it's going to come back three. Nope.

We'll do this. We'll do this. Got it. And we are going to find the right provision here. Penalty corner is awarded and do it. Yes, I do.

B. I was so close. For an intentional offense in the circle by a defender against an opponent who does not have possession of the ball or the opportunity to play the ball. Okay. An offense still has to create disadvantage though. And that is under 12 point.

When a team has been disadvantaged, my, a team has been disadvantaged. So not just a player gets knocked over, it's got to affect the way that the play evolves.

Okay, I hope that helps. Okay, so that was three. Let's, let's see if I have anything else to, I, I'm like, I'm scared to push buttons now because I just don't know if it's going to work.

Uh. Juan Pedro, if the first decision would be a PC, maybe the umpire avoids the next misconduct. The disadvantage wasn't there. So, you don't just hand out penalty corners because you don't want to give a card. It needs to be associated with an actual disadvantage that accrues against the team. Okay?

Corners are not, you know, You know, corners aren't just GIFs that you hand out, especially at that level. Okay, a good thought, but not where we want to go with that. Okay, uh, is the second push then deemed more connected with the play and then blown as a foul? No. Uh, what was the restart in the case? Did the two offences mount up?

They weren't offences against, like, they weren't foul offences. Okay, so I believe, let's just See if we go, if I can check out Sean's signal here, what he called.

Hold please.

Ball's there. So he's called a free hit, okay, for the second. So sorry, let's go back to this. Okay, no, not more deliberate, but this, this is where, sorry, um, Tom, is your comment showing up on screen. No, it's not. Let's go back to this scene. Let's go back to this. There we go. Okay. So in this moment, Sean's called a, a free hit for the defense.

So this comment, Tom, actually, the second push is actually deemed to be disadvantageous. In that case, okay? So is that clear? Sorry, I'm doing my best to keep up with all of this. So there you go. Thank you, Anique. Saw the free hit defense. And there we go. And for Simon, the free hit defense caused the defender potentially to fall into the path of the ball to goal?

Question mark? So yeah, that was probably it. Okay.

It's, it's just, it's just one of those things.

When you're putting together 14 million pieces, and then you fail to do any of them correctly.

So, hold please while you watch this replay.

Oh, that's not the right scene either. Oh, Keely Dunn.

I'm going to have to peek behind the scenes at every one of them now. Okay.

We do have a side on angle, so we're filling in some blanks here. And part of it is that, got a lot of confidence in the particular umpire who's making this decision here, that as the ball is being released and look at the placement, look at where this is happening, just outside the 23. Kel Coinkidink, okay?

And you've got One attacker who's facing the ball and looks to be relatively stationary and then you have two defenders converging from two different angles, both infringing, just right there. So that, I think, is a great example.

We'll just, if I go back to this, okay, so it's a great example of a time where a lot of people ask me, well, if it's a penalty corner inside the 23 and it's a penalty stroke inside the circle, well, where are the cards in the neutral zone? Here's one. And I think this may be the first one I have seen. And I watch hundreds of matches a year now, and.

This is the first one I've seen. If you've seen one, please let me know because I'd like to collect it for my clips, and I will go seek it out. But to me, it's a fantastic, uh, decision, and clearly very accepted by the teams, even in a very contested situation. So. And would you look at that? Alex is here. And Ian, the pitch looks darker than John Orwell in Wapping.

I, I don't get that reference. But it is very late. It is, I think, the game started at 9, so this is probably around 10. 30pm in Antwerp. The old lions and the old lionesses, or the old panthers, um, the old red lions and the old red panthers. We're doing the ball patrol, which was really kind of fun. So

I don't know what John Orwell is. So I don't know. Home pitch. Yeah.

All right. So when this first happened, I was a little bit like, Ooh, okay. And I checked live and yes, it was a 10 minute yellow card. But when you see it and you, you, you take some time to look it over, if your first instinct was a 10 minute yell, wasn't a 10 minute yell card, then let's go through it. Now, first of all, this is not a slide tackle.

This is a sliding diving motion, very reckless and dangerous to a player around. Okay. So you don't have to rely on And you don't have to claim that this is a sliding tackle that brings a player to ground in order to say that's a 10 minute yield card. What it is, is it's a sliding diving that brings a player to ground that is just as dangerous as if it were a tackle.

Just because it's contesting for a 50 50 ball doesn't mean players can act without regard for each other's safety. And when you see the level of danger, especially on the, not that angle, but when you see it from the other, it really is quite apparent. And I think an excellent decision that again, didn't cause any ripples in this game whatsoever.

And this is the same game that we had the double greens in for before. So yes, it's high risk, but it's just high danger. High danger. So players, it's, it's, it's that fine line between going for it and contesting and doing everything they can to get the ball and putting their opponents in danger. And that's what they really should not be doing.

Okay. Uh, no, couldn't. I mean, you could argue that, but you'd be wrong. Okay. He absolutely is. going at full stretch in order to reach the ball before it goes off the back line.

So he's reckless as to that result. And should you learned in your CS plus course, you learned indeed, this should be a ten minute yellow. Uh, you didn't think, think so at the time. Uh, he hit the ball first, but that's a football rule, not hockey. Absolutely. Thanks for sharing that because we don't do football, do we?

No, we don't. No, we don't. Okay, so that's 3C. We should be good. Okay. I'm, I'm just worried that it, whatever button I push, that something is going to be absolutely incorrect. So I'm going to go here. Hold please.

And I'm going to go to my overlays. So I'm ready for it. Okay. And if I do this and I do this and we're going to find it, it's in here somewhere. Uh,

It's like it's just disappeared off the face of the earth.

I was going to talk about the season training plan, okay, because the waitlist is starting to fill up. Now there's no actual, um, there's no maximum to how many people we're putting on the waitlist, but when we open entries for the season training program in. Are we open sales for that on June 15th? It's going to get open to the waitlist first because we need only a limited number of people joining that 20 at the maximum.

So if you're interested in finding out more about the season training program, then I would highly recommend that you get on the waitlist. Plus you're going to see a really cool, um, a really cool, a really effective umpiring warmup. plan from Austin that he has provided. I found it. Hi. So this is it. QR code right here.

And I'm really excited about this program. And if you're not following Austin at running rough, running rough, Nope. No G. Run and ref on the Instagrams in particular. That's where he does most of his posting. He puts out a lot of really, really solid information. So don't sleep on that. Go follow him. I've noticed that there's actually several FIH umpires who are following him.

So that's a good sign that he knows what he's doing and he's working really hard at this. So go ahead and give that a gander. Get on the wait list. Just ask some questions about it if you're not sure. What we're talking about and I will get you sorted. Austin will get you sorted. We will get you all super sorted.

Okay. Where are we at?

It's just, it's getting funny now. There we go. Takum from behind things.

So this is one of the first times. I have ever seen this, uh, particular decision made, and we've had a lot of conversations about what a ball carrier owes to a player who is chasing them from behind. And they are permitted to dribble in any direction they want. And it's the responsibility of the chasing defender not to, uh, bring them down or cut them down from behind.

However, this is one of those extraordinarily over on the other side of the spectrum situations where the ball carrier is for no other reason. There is no reason for him to cut in the way that he is. And in fact, it is so much that he leaves the ball carrier. He leaves the ball out and tries to use his body to actually clear out the defender.

That you can either argue that this is a dive by the ball carrier or this is interference or obstruction by the ball carrier on the defender who's chasing. The only thing I don't like about this situation is that the umpire is not in a great position to make the call. I would have loved to see them Be in front of the play.

And instead, you can sort of see when you look at the side angle that he's actually a little bit side on. Which means that you're, you're guessing as to how the players are coming together from that angle. I think he, he gets the call spot on, and that's great. But for us to make this decision better on a more regular basis, it's far more effective for us to be ahead of that play and welcoming it towards us so that we can get that spot on.

Okay, uh, that worked out so well. Like it, I couldn't have gotten this right.

It did!

For some reason we don't have any volume, but that's okay.

Is that the replay scene? Here we go.

When I saw this in real time, I was like, Oh, but when, when you see it on the replay, the umpire actually like just nails this very, very good call by Paul Van, Van Dam Assam of the Netherlands here, because it's risky. We know the players can tackle from anywhere, but they must be able to get the ball, and they must do so cleanly.

And in this situation, the poke tackle from behind comes just before the player is taking their swing, and therefore, it is deemed to be actually a goal. an obstruction against the ball by the attacker in terms of how they are swinging and taking the defender's stick away. Okay? Because that's a poke forward and that is fair game.

It is, it's right on the edge and it's very, very risky because if he gets that wrong, that's a penalty stroke. And we're seeing those being called with far more regularly, regularity, thankfully, because that is the correct decision. It is reckless as a result of breaking down play, but you might get it right.

Like this player did,

and we can contrast that with, let's see if this is going to work.

So Uh, you probably couldn't hear Tyron, the video was very quiet coming from, uh, from Tarassi here, but this is an example of a tackle from behind that, that goes wrong. And it is not the responsibility of the attacker here to know that there's somebody coming from behind and then not to hit that ball.

That chasing defender was not in a position to get their stick on the ball and it's their responsibility to protect themselves and not interfere with the stick of the attacker in the situation. And we see this happen frequently enough at many levels of play and because a player gets injured we feel sorry for them and perhaps we don't make the correct decision in that case.

This is absolutely a free hit. Could even be breakdown play in Some situations in some context depending on what the impact was and and that sort of thing. So thinking about that, uh, you know, you may have even gone further on this.

And this is, this is a really good point, Alex. So just because somebody gets hurt doesn't mean that it's the other person's fault. Danger can be committed, can be created, by the player who is in danger. If I lay down on the turf, stretch my body out in front of somebody who's about to hit the ball, who has created the danger?

I'm going to get pummeled, and I'm going to take a ball in a place where I absolutely should not be getting where I should not be playing it, but that's my fault. I put myself in that dangerous position. A player who occupies the post position, you know, in front, just in front of the goal line, trying to stop a shot on a penalty corner without having the goalkeeping privileges goalkeepers do and be able to use their body, they are putting themselves in that dangerous position because they are not trying to defend, they are not trying to tackle, they're not trying to mark, they are simply trying to stop a shot.

So they have created their own danger. So, we have to understand that not only do opponents have a responsibility to their, uh, their opposite number to play safely, but you have a responsibility as a player to keep yourself safe too. And that is so reckless by that player.

I hope all of that is quite clear. I, we are going very, very quickly. It's coming up to one o'clock and this might be the, whoever put their money down on, um, on the Keely Hour and took the over. I'm sorry. Don't listen to me. I'm not a good betting person. Uh, but I just didn't, didn't want to pick up on this.

Simon asking, let's create an alternative program running umpire. Run Rough is, is Austin's brand and he very much respects that he is working with umpires. Umpires in this particular context, but he works with refs in others. So rugby referees, uh, soccer, football referees, baseball, basketball referees.

Those are all referees. So you might agree, but I'm not telling them what to do. And our program is the season training plan. So that should be that. Okay. Did I, did I at least, I don't think I did this one.

I, I need to check because if I get all five. Title scene's wrong. I'm, it's going to break my heart. It's going to break my heart and I, I, I can't let y'all down like that.

Yeah. Oh, that would have been even worse. That wasn't.

Okay. We're ready to go. Published! PC things!

And we're going to move on to the next item. You

Okay. So let's have a conversation about this and really break it down so that we know exactly what's happening. Okay. So what we're challenging here, what we're trying to sort out is what the first shot at goal is. Now that is not the, not the first shot. And the question is whether this ball across is the first shot.

Okay. If it's not, that is clearly a hit that goes up, that crosses the goal line at a height over. Uh, four hundred and sixty centimeters, so is going to be deemed as Uh, deemed to be a free hit out. Now the decision that was made by the umpire on the pitch was for a goal. So what we're looking for, if you're a video umpire in this situation, is clear evidence that it's not a shot at goal.

A shot at goal, remember, does not actually have to hit the goal. When we call it a shot, when, when we're strict about that is when the actual shot could be dangerous to a defender. But in other contexts like this one, we should be more liberal because it takes away an opportunity from the attack. So what we have is the shot coming here

and it is clearly saved by the goalkeeper off her right kicker and pops out. Now would that ball have gone in the goal had it been Not been saved if the goalkeeper had disappeared. Not necessarily. Could you deem that instead a pass so intended by the attacker not to be a shot at goal? I don't believe so because of the positioning of these two attackers.

Sorry, I'm in the way of their faces, but I think you can see that they're there.

Okay. And then when the ball gets cleared up here, this part is very clear. When you see it's a one time lift and definitely crosses the goal line and extra height. The other thing that I want you to consider is the spirit of the rule here. This is to prevent danger. This is to make sure that the first time that the ball is raised, With a hit happens when the defenders have had an opportunity to get themselves out of that goal and into defensive positions, not standing on the back line.

Okay. They're able to get out in the mark and dispossessed and do all the things that defenders are supposed to be doing. So to me, the spirit is not to prevent. You know, any shot from being raised. It's that the early shot that's raised, if it's raised with a hit, is going to be done so at a speed that defenders don't have an opportunity to protect themselves with.

That is not the case here. So for me, it's important to keep those things in mind when we're making our decisions onto the pit, on the pitch, how we deem a shot at goal and why we're deeming it that way.

It doesn't have to be on target.

So if I go to the rules, let's go back to these very, very handy rules, and we're going to go all the way back to the definitions

and let me do this. So here we go. This is kind of in my way. Shot at goal. The action of an attacker attempting to score by playing the ball towards the goal from within the circle. The ball may miss the goal, but the action is still a shot at goal if the player's intention is to score with a shot directed towards the goal.

Okay. It doesn't have to be on target. That is a crucial distinction. And if they didn't want it to be a looser, uh, application, a looser guidance, they wouldn't have had this language in the rule books for so long. Okay. This is very, very intentional.

And I can take that down. Uh, the only reason it went back to the attacker is because the goalie kicked it. Plus angle looks like it was going goalwards. Like it's hard to say. And if it's hard to say. and it isn't dangerous to the defenders at the time, then we should deem it a shot at goal. Okay. And for Rachel, the keeper's foot further out from the goal than pass.

Um, it's, but no, because now you're, you're saying that it's, that it has to be going at, at, it has to actually be going at the goal and it doesn't. Okay. Get rid of that.

Okay. Let's go back to our scenes. Here's our next scenario.

This is not our next scenario. This is our next scenario. Okay? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Okay, so this is a contrast of the spirit of what we're looking for for a shot at goal because of the danger to a defender that comes into play. So this ball is off target. It's intended to be a shot at goal, but it is going wide enough and it creates danger for the runner. It's hard to say whether it actually hits her or doesn't hit her, but she takes legitimate evasive action because she's actually offset.

If she, if that ball had been going on target, that would have been going to her stick. So in this case, it's going wide and creates dangers. So we strictly interpret the shot at goal because the most important thing is player safety, and that's why in this case, it's going to be deemed to be dangerous and a free hit for the defense.

And before I move on to the next one, I'm gonna deal with a couple of these. As a coach, we train keepers to kick intercept that pass across like the one from the pusher to that attacker lined up for the quick touch. So that's how you read that. The attacker wasn't in line for that. It wasn't intended as a pass.

She was trying to get it on goal. Okay. And if it's a little off target, that's fine. Okay. And we can argue about that, but the umpire who was there, who was at a perfect angle to see it, deemed it to be a shot at goal. That's where where that goes. Let's try this. Here's the last one. We got 20 minutes. Wow.

Um, into the depths of the endless ocean.

It's just, it's just a very simple word. It's just a simple, it's just a very simple, it's a very simple, but it's very, it's a very simple word. This is a great example of, of a simple word. If this were a word, which is the word I'm wearing this morning, I would wear a belt. I would wear a belt. It would do a weird like it would take my shirt off and I'd be a striker.

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Okay, we can spend lots of time on this one because we have lots of time. So this is a highly unusual referral situation and what I want to do is try to tie this into concepts that we actually apply at our level without video referral, but I will straighten out the whole, um, uh, referral parts too. Um, so on, if it wasn't clear, there was Absolutely a foot by a defender outside the circle and that lane, that area of the pitch is a place where you often have a supporting umpire giving assistance to a control umpire because it's through bodies.

There will be all kinds of bodies. You can see some of them already in, in this shot here in the circle, making it very difficult to see that. So you want the support to get in there. What happened in this situation is that the supporting umpire's whistle was late. And by the time it came in, because they realized, oh, I've seen a foot and my colleague hasn't seen it, so I'm going to blow it, which is a good reaction to have, something else has happened.

And straightening that out on a video review situation is, is, is, They get to the right result for the team, because you can imagine that if the penalty corner isn't awarded, even though they're correct that a backstick occurred, they actually, they wouldn't necessarily lose the referral, because if something happens earlier in the passage of play, that causes them not to get the result they want, they would keep their referral.

Okay? So they would get the free hit, for attack if, say, the whistle had sounded before the backstick had, and Chida would keep their referral if it's all applied correctly. But all the teams had played, had continued to play on. So the principle that I want you to think about is advantage, because we sometimes get ourselves in situations where we're playing advantage from a foul that happens outside the circle, and the idea is what's the best result for this team?

Is it for me to blow the free hit? Or is it for me to allow them to continue play and get in the circle? And once they get in the circle, they earn a penalty corner. And then we go, Oh, sorry. It was the first one. And then we take it outside for absolutely no reason at all. That is an incorrect application of advantage.

It is the foul that happens afterwards because the better thing for the team in the moment of the free hit attack was to allow it to play. So that's advantage it's played. And now the foul is the penalty corner that happens inside. Okay. So I hope that's really clear. We sometimes get a little too cute and confused and, and we think we're holding the whistle.

We're not holding the whistle. For advantage, we are making a decision in that moment that I've decided that no matter what happens with this, the better, better opportunity for this team is for me not to call the play down, but to allow them to continue to whatever result they get. And in your mind, you have to be weighing is the potential for what's going to happen here better than giving the free hit.

And a free hit just outside the circle is kind of pants. It's not a great advantage for any attacking team. They can't go straight into the circle. There's lots of crowds. The angles, especially on that side, you know, deep are bad. So you want, sorry, I'm thinking of a scenario in my head, but the angles might be poor.

So you want to continue. The better result is the continued play. Okay. Is that fairly clear for everyone? Let me know. I hope it's certainly, I hope it is. I hope it is.

And let me go to some comments here. What's with all the blue umpires on the blue pitches? Um, just like umpires wearing green shirts on green pitches. Have you noticed that that's like one of the colors that you wear in England? Don't give me this. This is dumb. Okay. And you're just noticing this because you're seeing blue pitches.

It really doesn't matter because the umpires in the view of each other are against a whole bunch of billboards around the Oh, dear. Sorry. There's a drunk bird outside who just slimed into the wall. I was like, ah, there's a bird that's going to fly into my open window. So it's not an issue. It's not an issue because the umpires looking at each other are looking each other against black and red and white and purple and lights and stands and all kinds of things.

They can see each other. Okay. So how would you apply this without a VR? You would award the penalty corner after you get together for a consultation, you'd stop time and say, okay, so what happened? We saw a free hit outside, but I didn't have a chance to blow my whistle. Holding for advantage, whatever. My timing was poor and I didn't get that whistle in.

And then the next thing that happened is a penalty corner inside. So we're going to award the penalty corner because that's the best result for the team that has been fouled twice. Okay. I hope that clears that up. I'm just waiting for the next, but nope. You, we don't have blonde moments. Blonde is smart.

So. It's okay. We're here to work things through and to talk them through, and I make lots of mistakes all the time, as you've seen in this show. It's been just a plethora of mistakes. But, we recover, and we work through it all. And Anique, absolutely. This is why you award the highest penalty. That is the spirit of our game is to not get technical about, oh, that thing happened first.

So we're going to, we're going to call that first one. When we go back to the first one, it's because we weren't good enough. We weren't good enough to, to properly assess the advantage and they've, it actually wasn't a good opportunity. And then we're taking it back and we're like, Oh, first one. I did that once last night in one of the city finals that I umpired for high school.

And I was like, that was bad of me. Okay. A little knockout to the head. And then I moved on. That, that is different than, and. You know, that, that is one thing, but at least you're getting the ball to the right team. But if the first foul is, you know, for the same team and then for the, for the same team, the next foul occurs and it's a better result.

That's the one that you're going with. Okay. You're very welcome. Hey, it's good to work these things through. And sometimes it's the overthinking of it. I bet in the moment on the pitch, you'd have no problem making this call. And it's when we start getting a little too cute. about the way that we're thinking about the game.

And it just gets, you know, it just gets off, just gets off. So don't, don't put yourself through that. The reason that we do this prep work is that when we do it here, when we're on the pitch, it comes automatically, it comes on as a matter of habit. And that is the way that we need to umpire is from our, A truthy place from our gut, because we've trained our gut from our brain and everything works out well.

That is all I have for today. What do you mean all I have for today? It was how many, three, three, three, three, 12, 13 clips, 13 clips. So we just raced through them because we didn't do polls, but, uh, I hope you enjoyed that rapid fire format. Please feel free to give me feedback on what you think. I was. A lot pushier with my stances on things today, you may have noticed, and maybe you don't like that.

Maybe you do. Some people have reported to me, Keely, I wish you would just tell us what the answer is instead of, you know, messing around with all these things and being all nice and, all right, well, you know what? That was me not being very nice. So, and you just caught up live. Oh, were you watching on two times speed?

Cause I wasn't talking fast enough. There you are. Thank you very much for joining in. Uh, I enjoyed it. It was nice to have you along. It is chaos. It is madness. We are in full fledged Prolegate Lee Valley. Um, the Antwerp leg has wrapped up. Thank goodness. We have Nations Cup in Terrassa. We have Nations Cup in Gniezno.

Poland, and it, yeah, there's a lot of really fascinating games. So if you're not part of the FHumpire's third team Um, I'm just saying you might want to think about it. Oh, that's where I put it. I just, I just found my, my scene. I just found my scene for the season training program. Anyway, but here it is.

Here's this, uh,

this is where we spend time together bonding in the discord voice channel, watching games together, and that we look at the games and we analyze them holistically. And. Talk about issues that we, that, that we see and different techniques and trends and patterns. And putting together a game from start to finish is a very valuable experience and very different from what we do on What Up Wednesday, where I'm taking little slices out and showing them to you to try to illustrate things.

That's valuable too, but you need the whole package. So if you are interested, get over to FHU3T. com or FHumpires. com forward slash F H U 3 T. Let's see if I can do that really quickly and give us a thought. Okay. Oh yeah, it was already there. Hi. And I'm happy to have a chat. I, Irene did it. Irene just did it.

So, which makes me very happy.

And it's 1 23 and I'm early. So we're heading to the discord, to the local, to have more chitchat and all that sort of thing. Lots more action coming up. So thank you very much for joining and we'll see you next time on What Up Wednesday.

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