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[00:00:00] Hey friends, welcome to talking Tokyo day one. I am so excited to be here and I'm so glad you're out there. Keely Dunn, FH Umpires And we have, we have some things upon which we need to speak. We're going to speak upon these things. The competition got underway. It seems like an eternity ago, eight games later, and yes, it was quite a day.

So I'm interested. First of all, who got their eyes on games today? Which games did you see and what do you think I'm going to talk about today? I mean, I already had the topics up because look, it's not a stream that I do unless. I've messed something up. That's just how it goes. [00:01:00] And please do give me feedback if my sound is weird.

If I forgotten something and do let me know when YouTube cuts me off, because that could happen today, more on that in a moment. So let's talk about or preview what we're going to talk about today. Let's see. Is this going to work? Of course, it's not going to work Life struggles topics. Okay. The first thing we're going to talk about from day one at the Tokyo Olympics video referrals, we are going to talk about WTF, Argentina and Spain, because if you didn't get your eyes on that game, your best yeah.

Better you get on your horse, get on your bike, get on your turtle and you get down to the stadium. Of your TV and you go watch that game. There was stuff happening. Um, we are going to talk about aerials and the [00:02:00] briefing a little bit. This is going to be a theme. I have a feeling we're going to talk about this every day.

I'll let you know why. Um, maybe we'll do a day two to preview, but who am I kidding? I never get through more than three topics in any one of these shows and my whole intention today. You guys okay. For those who are here on a regular basis, you know, I tend to go for Keely hour, which is 90 minutes It makes sense.

If you're a hockey person, it makes sense trust, but I really, I don't even know if I can stay awake that long. I've got like toothpicks prying open my eyes right now. Cause I switched to nocturnal mode and nocturnal mode on about six hours of sleep. I'm not super optimistic. Wait, wait, I don't even have any music playing.

I'm not super optimistic that I'm going to be like really into staying long. Let's see what happens. Um, what WTF indeed. And, um, yeah, we have a good call contest. So if you don't [00:03:00] know anything about this, you're going to have it over the discords. I'll talk about that a second. Cause there could be a whole bunch of stuff.

That we need to do in the Discords like continue this live stream. If YouTube kicks me off, I know. Right. It just could be just so exciting. But first before we get into everything, let's see who's here because I think there's a few of you. I've already seen Eline Good to see you first. Uh, Iain Mcauslan was also here before.

I don't know where his comment went, maybe because it wasn't in the, I don't know. Anyway, if Ian's here. Say hi to me. Kyle's here. Uh, Brian Riddle. Absolutely. Paul Harriman brand new yellow member. Hang on, hang on. Hope my sound effects work this time. Let me do it again just in case, you know what, I'm not sure if that worked.

I didn't see a big spike. Oh, if that didn't work, I'm going to be upset. Let me see if I can chart.[00:04:00] 

Did that work? Maybe I should just keep bringing it until you guys tell me so obnoxious. Anyway, Paul, congratulations. And thank you for joining. It is great to have you in community. Luke is here, Scott Riley. great to see you, sir. I'm not sure if this is your first time commenting. But it's great to have you one of my buddies from the live stream community, Devin, checking out the new look, courtesy of a heel and full gins Henry on building blocks.

I have to send them a link to this later. Okay, good. That's one of us because this is not optimal conditions. Uh, GB, I guess headbutting sticks. I think that's just GB. If it says GV, I guess headbutting sticks. Nah, [00:05:00] nah, you were watching the wrong game, sir. Debbie Tiffin indeed took way too long. I don't know what took way too long.

What took too long? Sorry. Um, Belgium, Netherlands game, the other ones had too many players on the pitch. How does that happen? In international game? It happens at least once a tournament. It happened in the euros. It happened it's happened in the pro league a few times. It happens not a lot of controversy though.

Not too much. We can talk about, we did have a side discussion on the discords that if we have time, I'll get into it. So, Leanne, thank you for that comment. We will get it. The sound is coming through. Great. Thank you, sir. Double horn. Oh, it worked sound effect works. Okay. Good to know. Thank you so much for tuning in.

I am going to get to the heart of the matter, the meat of the matter. Let's start with talking about video [00:06:00] referrals today. So remember that time of band camp. Probably every time there's been a tournament and people have observed a video referral take place. And I will get all kinds of angry messages from people saying WTF.

Why did that particular decision go down? Because what I saw on my screen was X, Y, Z, and the video of her called ABC. I'm not saying they never make a mistake. That is not what I'm going to claim right here, right now in these streets. But what I'm going to tell you is that, as I've said in the past, they have different angles and different feeds than we do.

Usually we can say with confidence that that means that. they Are seeing something better, they see more angles. They see a higher resolution. They're seeing the [00:07:00] optimal or closer to optimal viewing experience. That's not the case out here in these Olympics, no friends. It is not apparently word has come out that the feed's going into the video booth booth are not only.

not great They're actually quite terrible because for some reason, the organizing committee didn't know that having good resolution on all these cameras might be a good thing.

Right. Uh, so what I wanted to say about that is that there were a lot of video referrals today. For example, if you were watching Netherlands versus India, you noticed. There were at least three. I think there might've been four. There was a dispute. I, I couldn't go back to the full game to count them all up, but I know there was absolutely three times [00:08:00] where India requested a referral.

Peter Wright had an awful time in the booth, took him a very long time to go through all the feeds and he couldn't give any. advice So perhaps he didn't have the right angle, but oftentimes even what we saw on the screen, it would be moving that the camera would be moving right at the wrong point. Things would get blurry and apparently was even worse in the booth.

Three video decisions, video referral decisions where you can't reach a result is not great at all. And there were problems in some of the other referrals as well. So what I want you to take home. I want you to call your friends. I want you to text them and I want you. Hold up. Wait a minute. If you were about to blame the video umpire for making decision or being unable to make a decision that you thought was so clear and so [00:09:00] obvious, that's why that's the story friends.

Um, yeah, very, very, very disappointing. Um, and if you were watching. The, uh, Belgium, Netherlands game as well after one of the video referrals you also know that they didn't ha they don't have audio with it either. So that is the first point that I wanted to cover. If you have any. Questions that you'd like to know about video referrals, I'll guess I've just had a little bit of information coming through on what's going on there, but, uh, I wanted you to be all very aware of that before we get into the meat of the matter, which is Argentina. I should have like a big here. Let's just do this one. Let's do, let's do the air. horn Which [00:10:00] is somewhat ironic for Argentina versus Spain.

So I don't know how many of these matches you've been watching over the past few years, but I've watched quite a few of them. And I know every time that this is going to be on the schedule, it's going to be a barn burner. And what a heck of a game to have on day one of a tournament. When players, but even more so the umpires haven't had a lot of warmup, very, very difficult conditions.

It has been circulating out there in those streets. BBC has definitely clipped it and shared it around the UK. So I'm going to give a fair try. Let's go YouTube. Let's see what happens Is the finals. These are the final seconds from the match and you can see David Allegre [00:11:00] goes down. He slips in the circle. The horn goes anyway, and he's got a calf cramp and Argentina player comes to his assistance. And then from out of the blue, You see Rossi come over and we now have a full melee So Xavier Leonhard was on. He was right there. He saw everything that happened. And I got to say for a player who has a very high, hot heads normally, but he was remarkably restrained. I would have expected him to absolutely go to nuclear and he actually. didn't And you can see Rossi here being pulled away by his teammates, by the, um, the technical officer as well.

And he's pointing up the pitch. We don't know what's happening, right. And this seems to come completely out of the blue. This is a replay of it. You can see it Leonart is behind and he can [00:12:00] see everything that's happening. And even his teammate kind of looks and goes, uh, dude,

And we were, we were ending up, we were concluding a watch party on this game. And those of you who are in it might remember me saying something must have happened earlier. Something must have happened earlier in this game. And

I th I thought of a few things that I'd seen. I scrolled back in the tape and.

So, this is starting at about, as you can see seven and a half minutes left in the fourth quarter, and I just started tracking what Rossi was doing. Rossi was playing center mid and he was everywhere. I'm not even sure if he came off in this game, I would be really interested to see his timestamps because it seemed as though he, he was just always there and he [00:13:00] was always in the middle of things.

So here he kind of gets, he gets stepped on and a shoe flies off. And I watched his reaction. I was like, I think everything's okay. Argentina is on a yellow card, I believe at this moment. So they're not too happy Now Um, this comes a little bit later. There's a video referral and lo and behold, it's Rossi. His teammate plays the ball onto his foot and the referral comes back and it turns into a penalty corner. This is the subsequent penalty corner that happens. Okay. And I'm, I'm telling all these things up to try to understand.

Here's the corner. It's a dangerously high drag flick hits him in the body. He takes it like a champ with five minutes left to go in a tie [00:14:00] game. And then we actually get to it

a collision in the middle of the field. That is David. Allegre And you can see there's a little bit of something, something that happens there. Now we're going to watch it again. Actually, let's just watch the replay of it. Now, when I saw this incident in real time, I thought that's a yellow because Allegre is off to the races.

Rossi moves into his space, bodily blocks him. And despite the fact it caused him a lot of pain, very brave. It also caused Allegre some pain as well. And that. Didn't get dealt with.

So for me, see, when we go back to that, something happened there. Okay. So I'm just going to scroll back, watch the, the expression [00:15:00] on Rossi's face. Allegre saying something to him right here. He's looking at him. He's saying something. He dribbles by him. I don't know if Rossi is expecting them to pick them up off the carpet.

I don't know if there was something, some name that got called, who knows, but that's where it happened.

That is a rough collision. And I, and this is not at all a criticism on the umpires involved in the game. There. But we talk we've, we've talked we've, we've gone over this about how it's so important to keep in mind that we are not doing the game or the players favors by keeping them on the. pitch We think, oh no, no, no.

We don't. Don't want to get involved. We don't want to make the decisions. We don't want to, uh, you know, we want to keep [00:16:00] them on the park. When you keep players on the park who are pissed off at each other who have broken down the play who have done things. Like that, that has had that kind of impact on the play.

We pay the consequences. The whole game pays the consequence. Now this is not at all to excuse what Rossi. did But what I want us to process because we have things like this happen back home, out at the rodeo, we get near the end of a game and something blows up on our face and we think, whoa, where did that come from?

I'm not going to say I'm an optimist about people, but I do believe that there's a reason there's some context or something that triggers something that builds. And I think you see a pattern of things building up in a high [00:17:00] pressure game that was very physical, very emotional, tons of his dissent tons of appealing.

And that kind of thing, which, Hey, look, I'm sure if any of us were on the pitch, unless we were really good with Spanish and we were right up in their faces and heard what was said, we don't know what happened.

Something did, and that's where it came from. Okay. I'm going to go into the comments first and we'll start talking about what may could have happened out of that. Okay. Cat's saying hi. And will they be able to resolve the video referral issue for tomorrow? Paul? I don't know. I don't know if it's a hardware issue or a software-ish delivery issue.

[00:18:00] If they don't have the right cables laid, if they don't have the right monitors, if they, I mean, who knows? You would think that of anywhere in the world, if somebody could fix it, it would be this group of humans, but they got themselves in that mess in the first place. So I dunno, I don't know if it's going to change, but I, I was really disappointed for the teams and very disappointed for the umpires as well, because it had a detrimental effect.

On many of the games it's going to put so much more pressure on everybody. Who's there because they're not going to feel confident about relying on the video umpire to be able to help them teams. Aren't gonna feel confident it's gonna, it's just gonna change everything and you can say, oh yeah, well, it's just going to be no advice possible.

And everybody keeps the referral, but it will change a lot of [00:19:00] decisions that get. made So fingers crossed. I'll let you know if I hear anything. I did mention how, what just dive. It was an after seeing it again. I don't diving is absolutely not the word that I should have used. That was wrong. How about, I just say that that part was wrong.

That was a very serious collision. Um, I think the diving part. Okay. I don't want to think about it. I'm sorry. Um, the fact that Rossi was down with his face down and then he kind of looks up to see what the call is going to be, you know, and I mean, who knows if that's, that's what Allegre was saying to him, something about, you know, you, you, you know, oh, that's not the right one though.

Get off the, you know, get off the floor, [00:20:00] you know, what you did, who knows, who knows? But

I do know, I do feel very confident in saying when I saw it in real time and the replays and the 17 times I've watched it since I have not changed my mind, that that is a breakdown foul it's physical and it needed to be dealt with. Bapa, you only have Indian live matches on broadcast. Do you miss the moment, any YouTube channel to record it?

You haven't? Uh, if I have it, send it please. Um, I don't know if there's any YouTube channels that you can find for this. So the reason that I'm a little concerned about doing this broadcast. And this could cut off at any moment. Who knows? So just fingers crossed everybody is that we know that the IOC and the OBS have very stringent.

[00:21:00] Um, they're very aggressive in their copy, holding copyright holding protection. They will not allow people to use that footage, the national broadcasters that you have. So, Bappa I don't know. Um, if, if it's, would it be star or I'm not sure who your broadcaster is in India, but every one of us, all of our countries have restrictions and I'm so supposed to only be able to see and enjoy matches that have been bought by the Canadian broadcast corporation, CBC and are live streaming here.

Am I putting up with that? Absolutely. Not Because I think that's terrible. Now it's one thing to watch it. But what I'm concerned I learned about is that this is going to be that this, everything that I've showed you, that doesn't belong to the FIH [00:22:00] they are not the copyright holder there. The IOC and OBS are the copyright holder.

I do believe that what I just did was encompassed under the DMCA legislation. In the United States to which YouTube is bound, that I used that footage fairly for educational purposes and I transformed it. I changed it and I talked,

let's see what happens. Okay. So let's see. I don't oh, new comments.

Absolutely. It is dangerous to have players on the pitch who are pissed at each other. And I'm not going to say that what happened later wouldn't have happened if Rossi had a yellow card? I mean, maybe something else would have happened, but what I do. know Is that [00:23:00] something would have changed. And perhaps that time on the bench could have gotten people to think a little more carefully if you watch that game, watch the whole thing.

And it's, it's a really important to watch games like this all the way through. Cause you watch that clip in isolation. You think that's insane. Like that came out of nowhere and you need to, to watch the whole game, not just for that and for Rossi, but to watch how Retegui on the sideline is behaving. You have to see how the Spanish players and the Argentinian players are just screaming at everything.

And when you take all of that into account, You start, you start understanding, not excuse him. You're understanding why things happen the way they did and how they [00:24:00] unrolled Florian Hi, you're a little bit late. Did I just discuss the stick on the head to Rossi Did I.

Scott, uh, he should've got a card for the first offense that may avoided the last one. Yeah. It's it is a style of proactivity but really it's just, it's just management. It's just management. And if you, and we talk about setting out your stall early, and we talk about just intervening and dealing with what's in front of you and when you fail to deal with what's in front.

of you Things can build. And there've been times where we've done watch parties where I've said, that's the one right there. That incident right there, that nothing happened. That's the turning point. And people are like, what? It's not because I'm psychic. It's not because I'm, what is it? [00:25:00] Clairvoyant is, is it clairvoyant when you can see into the future?

Probably not. It's because I've watched so many games at this point that it just, I can tell. I can just, I can see there's, there's a pattern to it. It, it has a logic to it and sometimes I'll see that turning point. And I'll say that's the one and maybe nothing happens. Maybe the game gets out of hand early.

Maybe the team. Decide that they're in a good mood. Maybe he, who knows, maybe things get reigned in, in a different way later in the game. I'm not saying that something missed or something dealt with, maybe not in the, in the best way will always have a bad result later, but it can. And when you, as an umpire or an umpire coach or manager develop the ability to [00:26:00] see those things in real time.

You were going to be better at behaving and giving the correct call in the moment. And that's why I point this out to you. Okay. It's so that we can go out on the pitch and we can understand this is why I deal with things. I could try to do that player a favor, or I could do the best thing for this whole.

game Which one do you want? I know which one I want. I know which one I want the umpires that I'm coaching to. Do. I know what choice I want them to make.

Um, yeah. And Scott, like that's of course they haven't met me yet.

Oh, Kyle, with the situation where we can only watch certain games that our local [00:27:00] broadcasters show, will the replay be available to later stage on platforms like YouTube? Probably not sorry, but I mean, I couldn't get my hands on Rio at all. And that's one of the reasons that I'm up and I'm watching games and as many games in real times, as I possibly can Cause I don't expect to be able to see replays anywhere.

Now I happen to luck out with Euro player sport, Euro sport, Eurosport but anyway, it's a long story and a very generous and helpful person made sure that I was able to see that. Somebody is calling me and they need to hang up on discord.

Okay.[00:28:00] 

So, um, yeah, I, I, I don't know. Maybe, maybe if we're lucky it'll happen, but it didn't in this case. Or it hasn't so far and it didn't do real. And I talked about this. So if you are wondering what I'm talking about, maybe I'll put up the card and I'll link it, but you can find it. The previous one, I did the preview for talking Tokyo for this whole series.

I went on a rant about this, about how in this day and age it is absolutely insane. It is insane that we didn't, that, that there isn't a better system for people around the world. To watch the sport and the IOC is shooting themselves in the face, not just in the foot.

Okay. So I hope that was educational and interesting. [00:29:00] And it rocked your world. I rocked mine. I was very excited to find that. So let's get on to topic three. How am I doing? Oh, it's been half an hour. This is pretty good. And I'm still online. Aerial Let's talk about aerials. Wait, I can bring my topics back in and I can prove to you that we're going to talk about aerials.

If you have been into the discord, which by the way, look, something like this, just head over to fhumpires.com/discord forward slash discord come join the discord. And I have posted because I have full permission to do so. The umpire's briefing from Tokyo. It should be up on the website Niels hung up, please hang up.

Um,[00:30:00] 

Sorry. You're probably hearing that and I didn't know what was happening. Okay. So let's see back to here. So I have pinned this message at the top of the Tokyo 2020 board that everybody can access. So you can go and you can download it and you can read it yourself. It is a compelling Piece of exposition,

but, um, in only two real ways, does it differ from the general FIH outdoor briefing? And we've been talking about it in the discord, and I will share with you one of the points, because I want to show you a few things. One of the differences was in the aerial ooh sound [00:31:00] effects. So there's a lot of text on this and I'm not going to play the video from this specifically because it's not crucial, but I want you to see that there has been an addition to the briefing that is asking the umpires to penalize intentional infringements of five meters.

And that is, um, that's big, that's big. You can see on the side, it says agreement with coaches. So that's been added specifically to indicate that this isn't something that was made up by somebody in an ivory tower, somewhere that the coaches want this. And I get it I understand what they're looking for.

And the agreement is with the coaches that inside the 23 meter [00:32:00] area and outside the circle, like any other intentional foul it's a penalty corner, but, and if it happens outside the 23 meter, it is a, um, it's a. card Okay. The reason that this is big, obviously is it's a change of approach. And I've talked on what up Wednesday streams before, about how we struggle with this.

And people have been asking me in their matches at home. Should I be penalising Should I be giving a short corner? Should I be giving a card? People are asking for it. They're saying it's intentional Should we deal with it that way? There's two problems with the approach

and here they are. Problem. Number one is [00:33:00] that our accuracy levels on aerials. Aren't very good. I mean, I'm not saying they're terrible, but if you're going to be giving out cards, if you're going to be giving out penalty corners, you want to feel really, really. confident That you're going to see an accurate decision when it comes to breakdown, stick tackles and breakdown, obstructions, and intentionally used to the foot and not five meters as much, but those, our accuracy levels are pretty high at the top level.

They really are. So it's not as risky from that perspective. So

that's one thing [00:34:00] that's my mind is. Sure. The second issue is, and I just kind of realized this this morning in a delirium and I, I texted it to somebody and ran it by them to see if I was on drugs or not. But I think there's merit to this. There's something that feels very wrong to it. And that's. because When somebody commits an intentional breakdown with a stick tackle for example, they stop that player, that attacking player from doing something awesome with the ball.

When they stick out their foot to stop the ball from going, or they stick up there, their back stick and stop the ball from continuing make that tackle, whatever the case might be, they stop something awesome that we can foresee happening.

If a player complies with the five meter rule, generally speaking, [00:35:00] they are placing themselves in a position to still make a tackle. They just happened to be five meters away and waiting for the ball to be corralled. They are there. They're in position. What have they broken down? It doesn't have the same impact on the play whatsoever.

When they come up, they are absolutely committing an intentional foul. And this is the problem with the black and white wording of penalize intentional fells with penalty corners inside the 23 and give penalty strokes inside the circle.

You can't apply that black and whiteness to this situation because it's not the same. It is just not the same. It's kind of like how [00:36:00] so we only give a card in outdoor hockey for a team playing with too many players. We don't know what the impact of that play. Advantage actually is what opportunity is taken away.

We really have no idea. It's very indistinct. And so we don't feel comfortable in outdoor awarding, a penalty corner for that, too many variables, too many other things, but we absolutely can give a card.

The same thing applies with aerials As far as I'm concerned, here's a couple of examples. Of, uh, aerials, actually, this is, this is okay. I'm just going to skip to this so that we don't get confused here is what I would consider. You can hear the yelling that this is potentially. An intentional [00:37:00] five meter infringement on an aerial It happens close to the circle. The player knows the ball's going there. You can see the defender clocking the ball. You can see him looking over his head. You can see him approaching the player. There's no surprise here. It's quite obvious. And even here, the umpire doesn't feel comfortable or confident in awarding a penalty corner Because what is taken away? There's two defenders inside the circle, ready to help out on the tackle. There's all kinds of stuff. All kinds of different things. Is that worth the quality of scoring opportunity that a penalty corner provides. It doesn't feel right. So I can tell you that after one day of play and.

Necessarily see every single moment of every single game, but I didn't see any upgrades [00:38:00] and I didn't see any cards given for five meter aerial infringements.

And that is why it just feels wrong.

So that's my one rant the other, the other, uh, play on aerials that I wanted to point out to you is. this Here. This is an interception that is now going to be allowed. You can see the Argentinian player here is wondering why he doesn't get a decision in here, but Spanish player is able to intercept maybe not fully outside of the five meter zone, but he does attempt that interception in a safe manner.

So he comes running across in front. The initial receiver Is the Argentinian, but he's able to get a stick on it safely and he plays it out for 23 meter [00:39:00] restart away from the attacker. This is what the players we're told, want to see, and this is what coaches want to see. Stop making artificial chincy five meter calls.

Let the players play, let them show their skill. Let them try to intercept Okay. So that's another thing that it isn't specified in this briefing, but it's absolutely an interpretation. If you think back to the world cup, the semifinal between Netherlands and Australia and that amazing interception, Eddie Ockenden plucks the ball out of the air as it's landing towards Seve van Ass And it's just an amazing, an amazing hockey play It's amazing skill. Did he conduct that interception more than five meters outside of Seve's [00:40:00] personage there? I hate the word landing zone, cause that's just doesn't the ball doesn't even land anymore. Um, Nope, maybe not. I argued in the past that it probably was outside for, it could have been, it could have.

But what it was was it was a safe play. And this is what we're going to start to see more and more at top levels. And when you start to see at a top levels, that means that as much as skill can allow, that is going to be allowed and promoted at the lower levels. So there you go. I'm interested in hearing what you all have to say about that play.

Let's see Kyle with the situation where, oh yeah, we already talked about this.

It's not that using VPNs are illegal.

Hi, this is John [00:41:00] Selwood and I hope that means that you're in a sober state of mind.

Um, Scott, what do you all think about the umpire's declaring who the initial receiver is to anyone? Okay. That's an, that's an interesting point. Let's see if I can bring this up for you. One of the others. Aspects of aerial interpretation that's coming out now and is sort of throwing a wrinkle into all of that is that the umpires are now being guided to, um, sorry, I need to, I need to move this presentation and I can't, I can't get a handle on it.

It's covering up everything and I can't see it.

[00:42:00] Talk amongst yourselves is a topic, dog stores and coffee. Okay. I got it.

Live stream television. Okay. So I'm going to see if I can find the slide in the briefing and then I'm going to see if I can share it on the fly. I have no idea if this is going to come off, but the umpires of being asked now, too.

Instead of judging who the initial receiver is at the point of takeoff, they're being asked to wait

and look at the last, the final 20 meters, of the ball's path. Okay. So let's see if I, can you on.

Okay, I'm going to go to [00:43:00] this scene.

Okay. That should work.

This is totally gonna work. This is totally not gonna work.

You can see all of my desktops. Can you see that? Nope. And see that

this is what I'm looking for keynote.

So you can see here early judgment regarding danger over the last 20 meters of ball flight is crucial. Okay. There's a difference between a ball that's landing amongst players and a ball that's intercepted in the air. So we're being asked now to wait until we get to that segment. [00:44:00] And that's really, really challenging for the umpires like incredibly challenging.

Cause it doesn't give you a lot of time and you're sitting there cause we're used to making that decision nice and early and then allowing the. players Maybe calling out to the players and saying, that's a blue ball, that's a blue ball. But what if you call in this situation here and you call on this one and.

You're saying that it's blue ball and then red comes in and intercept safely. Well, you sound like a jerk don't you you're being inconsistent because you're going to allow that interception to occur if it's safe. So

that's a big challenge. I can't say. Too happy with how that's all working out there, but it's, it's a good thought Scott [00:45:00] and, uh, you know, communication always seems to be the right answer, except when you don't know what you're going to communicate until the ball is 20 meters. And then do you have time?

In that last 20 meters. I mean, in my level of play, the aerials only go 20 meters. That's the, that's the longest they go. I used to do it all the time, but not so much since,

sorry. I should have read your comments, Scott. I go on this big, long rant because I'm trying to stay on track. Your first live stream that you can actually attend. It's great to have you Martin. Good to have you. It can be hard to hold off the call if it looks dangerous. Absolutely. Because we want to prevent the danger.

We've been, it's been drilled into us for the last 15 years, 20 years called early. Don't want to become dangerous. Don't want the players hit each other in the head, all this kind of stuff. And now. We're [00:46:00] supposed to wait,

right? It is complicated. So there you go. That's the complicated stuff coming out from the Olympics and that's day one that's day one. Um, if there's anything else that you guys have experienced, uh, today, any other questions that you have? Let me know really quickly what I want I to say though, in wrapping up everything while you guys are all thinking amongst yourselves.

And, and thinking about a question to ask is that I thought the umpires did a great job today. I think they should be very proud about the product that they were able to help present given all of the circumstances and all the challenges that they're going through. Just incredible [00:47:00] tomorrow. There's another eight games four men's.

and four Women's start with four games and then there's four men's. So there's a lot of umpires who are still getting out there for the first time. So day two and same with the teams. So in these big tournaments where you have 12 teams, 16 teams at a junior world cup, or a world cup, for example, Ooh, gosh. I mean, you could be waiting forever to get out onto the pitch either as a team or as an umpire At the 2005 junior world cup, I was actually trading stories with . Um, the other day we both had the experience where we had to wait till day two last game of the day. And I mean, there's in a junior world cup, there's two pitches going. There's tons of games. So literally 16 matches had occurred at least maybe 20 before we got out there.

And when I got out. I was in Chile and it was Spain versus Chile at home on ESPN [00:48:00] in the south American market. I didn't have a great game say that right now. So that's another one of the challenges that the umpires are going through in this kind of tournament. And it depends if you're the kind of umpire who likes to sit and watch and see what's going on.

And, you know, take all the feedback in, or if you're like me and you just want to get the heck out there and get the jitterbugs out and make your mark take your shot, screw it up if you do. But to get out there is really, really important,

but everybody's different. Uh, cat one of the SA groups you were concerned about PCs, there were goals awarded when the ball had been stopped on the line of the circle instead. Yeah. Um, yeah, apparently there was a, uh, the Irish goal against South Africa today was on the line. I [00:49:00] could clip it for you, but all I'd be doing is showing you what was factually true.

How do you as an umpire make that call better? You either see it or you don't, um, you're not going to change your positioning and your supporting umpire can try to help as best they can, but they're not in a great spot for it in order for them to see it better, they have to get quite close and they've got their own darn circle to worry about.

That was a matter that should have gone to video. referral And I was told that it was clear enough that even with a 360 P feed, you could see that it hadn't left the circle. I don't know. That was an Irish fan who told me that. So, so I wasn't sure if that was, uh, interesting for discussion purposes. This is part of teams who come to a tournament like this, and they're using video referral when they haven't had a [00:50:00] lot of experience with it.

They tend not to know when to go and wait not to go. And that would have been a great time to go. And again, because it was a goal, the possibility is that if you have any doubt as an umpire, not any doubt, if you have. A substantial doubt as to whether you're, you were able to make the right decision.

Self-refer that one and have a look, but obviously it wasn't something that came to mind and you would rely on the team to take their referral on that one and a GB goal as well.

Yeah. Along with all the other things that we have to take into account. So there we go. And yes, it's all about knowing when to use your referral. When is the call big enough? When is it early in the game? Is it later in the game? All those sort of things, keeping [00:51:00] your referral for the crunch time.

Pretty crucial. If you were watching the Netherlands India women's game today, India was quite in the game. They went to half time with one, one as the score line. And then the other ones, I think, I can't remember exactly where along the Netherlands explosion, the referral came, but India made a referral.

Really? Wasn't a good. one They lost the referral after that. And it just sort of seemed like the game just got away from them at that point that the mentum was just hugely gone and they didn't have that recourse. They didn't have that thing in their bag. So knowing when it's a 50, 50 call would really, really help Luke after previous mistake on PCs, I always verbalized to myself whether it's gone out as part of your mental checklist.

Yep. And that's [00:52:00] something that I. I did for a significant period of my career where I'd say, um, especially if it wasn't out, I would verbalize it, but I would say good, good, good, good. And I'd be saying good. Good, good. All the way. So the injection was good. Nobody left early. Good attackers. Didn't leave early.

Good stop was outside. Good. The shots from inside. And I would say, I would say good. Repeat. And then I got on radios and then I didn't want to be saying good to like that with my colleague, because what if my colleagues saw something differently and I had declared that I was good. I don't want to overrule that process.

And I want my colleague to be able to inform me on the things that they can see better. Is my right wing attacker breaking early into the circle from behind my head. I can't see that I don't have eyes back there. So there's little touches like that, that can change at certain times of your career. But [00:53:00] that generally that's a nice little technique.

I like that. Scott, thank you for sharing that. And just in case you weren't sure it's back. Okay. So friends one hour. I don't know, but I'm a person who's going to be trying to do this every day for the Olympics. I don't know if I'm going to be able to do it. Folks. I'm not going to lie. I was thinking about moving up the time as well, but I needed this much time to produce my materials, which so far I've been able to keep up.

We'll see if I get to take down notice. Um, and it's important to me that I'm able to put some thought into what we're doing so that you guys get good value out of this. So I don't want to just rush into a show and just ramble on like a deliriously, tired human being like I am, but it was a real pleasure to have you along today.

Thank you so much for your questions and your input. Uh, some really good ideas in there. [00:54:00] And if you have things that you saw today, if you have more questions that you want to follow up on from any of the topics. Come to the FH umpires discord. So, uh, cat, maybe you can put a hyperlink in the chat for me.

So if you put the http://fhumpires.com/discord, please do come in and have a gander round. The discussions are really good. Uh, I'm able to offer more immediate support and there's lots of people in there that have really great insight. We have international umpires who are joining in the discussion on a regular basis.

So that's really great to have them. There are umpire managers in there, and there are some media people in there as well. So what I'm trying to do is provide a place. [00:55:00] People who are passionate about the game and want to see umpiring improve and want to improve themselves or improve their understanding of the rules can come there and we can have some constructive consensus-building discussions.

So I hope that you can join us over there on the discord We also run the FHU3T watch parties, but see if that will show up and no, it won't. FHU3T.com Green members. I'm going to open up some of the watch parties to green members. So if you've been thinking about that little $3 support every month, did he find that this is helpful for you and gives you value?

Then please consider that because you'll get it in the watch parties. If you're thinking about joining yellow now yesterday, don't wait. Paul Harriman. He got on the bus cause he knew he wanted to join the watch party. So get in there cause they are really fun and very educational and the community [00:56:00] again is awesome.

John, I was able to get the feeds from Euro sport player Eurosport player, something like that. Eurosport discovery. Long complicated story. Couldn't do it with my Canadian credit card, all that kind of stuff. Thank you very much Cat for putting that link up. Um, but yeah, that's where you can get it.

Some people are talking in you're in England, John. So some people are talking about how they can get it through something, some sky plus thing that they don't even know that they have with their subscription. So if you have a sky subscription, look into it, because maybe there's a hidden Olympic coverage that you're able to get for all the games.

And come on into the discord because people are talking about how they're accessing the games in the discard as well. So you might get some ideas from them. Thank you so much for joining in. [00:57:00] Great to have you along. I am really stoked that we're back watching hockey and there's great stuff to learn from today.

And there will be lots of great stuff to go on for the next 13 days. So please come back and join me tomorrow. Same time. Same channel all that. And we will see you then. And hockey world news has an article on how to access footage probably. So go have a look. Thanks, cat, for adding that. Enjoy the rest of your checks notes Saturday.

Bye now.[00:58:00]

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