Aerial Goals, Bizarre PC Defence, Is This First Shot at Goal a Hit? | #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 132

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We've got a classic penalty corner first shot at goal and whether it's a hit or not from the Hoofdklasse, and then a couple of aerial goals from Hockey Ones in Australia. There's a ball hitting an umpire, the weirdest PC defence you will ever see in your life, and a goalkeeper tackle from our friends at the Royal Belgium Hockey Association.

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⏱ Chapter Markers:
0:00 Chair Dancing
04:19 Topics!
07:34 1. This PC Raised Shot
50:28 2a. These Aerial Goals – BRIvNSW
01:02:53 2b. These Aerial Goals – No GK
01:14:38 3. This PC Defence
01:23:18 4. This GK Tackle
01:29:58 5. This Goal Off The Umpire

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#WhatUpWednesday Ep. 132

[00:00:00] Life has been crazy, just wanna be okay. How can I pick up the pieces, when everything breaks? With every day, I'm getting older. I feel the weight, up on my shoulders. I'm strong enough, I will rise above. It's all gonna be okay. If I can be anything I think I'm gonna be me,

[00:00:39] I know I gotta be me.

[00:00:44] Cause I wanna go, no one else I'd rather be. I think I'm I'm gonna be, I think I'm gonna be me.

[00:01:01] I think I'm gonna be, I think I'm gonna be me. Everything's changing. Just trying to, oh, I keep on believing. I'm gonna find my way with every day. I'm getting older, I feel the weight up on my shoulders. I'm strong enough, I will rise above. It's all gonna be okay. If I can be anything, I think I'm going to be me.

[00:01:30] I know I gotta be me.

[00:01:38] I,

[00:01:42] I think I'm gonna be, I think I.

[00:01:53] I think I'm gonna be me, me, me. I know I gotta be me, me, me. There's nowhere else I wanna go. No one else I'd rather be. I think I'm gonna be, I think I'm gonna be me. I know I gotta be me, me, me.

[00:02:23] Where else I wanna go? No one else I'd rather be. I think I'm gonna be, I think I'm gonna be me. I gotta be me.

[00:02:39] Hello, everybody. What Up Wednesday. I'm Keely Dunn, FHumpires, and you are my favorite people in the world because you are the third team and you're here. I am always shocked and amazed and delighted that anybody shows up to join in on a conversation about umpiring. So here we go. I'm so glad we're here.

[00:02:59] Before I get started. Um, of course, Godders is here. It's very good to see you, but I don't believe I've ever said hello to this fine individual, Rodrigo Miranda. There's a DJ air horn for you. Hola, como estas? Que tal? I hope you're well, and delighted you're here. Uh, let's see, Mbeno's here as well. Nice to have you.

[00:03:21] Raju, I wanted to ask you something. Put it in the comments so that I can, and I hope you don't mind me asking where you live because I am going to talk about location geographic things in a little bit, so go ahead and let me know. Kofi, hello! I believe,

[00:03:41] wasn't an air horn. Try that again. There you go. You deserve that. Good to have you. Nice, nice to see you. And Mike is here as well. Okay, here's our topics today. This is a different show. I mean, it's not really different because it's clips and it's discussion and 45 minutes on one topic, but all the topics are from social media suggestions that I received through the interwebs, through DMs and emails and comments and such, so Except for one, I cheated.

[00:04:14] I pulled it out myself because I saw it. So I DM'd myself. Let's put it that way. But here we go. This is what we're going to talk about today. We're going to talk about this PC race shot. We're going to talk about these aerial goals. There's two of them. Uh, this PC defense. You're wondering, what is this?

[00:04:33] This GK tackle. I, I don't know what else to call these things now. This goal off the umpire. And yeah, that's going to be it. So. Probably. Yes, the whistle necklace is back. Thank you, my fulfillment manager, Simon Milford, here in the comments, uh, managed to send me a replacement. I broke my chain. I have approximately three necklaces and I wear one of them and it's my whistle necklace.

[00:05:00] So, when I broke that, I was like, oh, that's, that's bad when you're a minimalist and you lose one of your favorite, favorite things there. Staines here, good to have you. And Scott, always back on time. I think you're being sarcastic because I was not on time. I was late because I was having audio issues, but luckily nobody's complained.

[00:05:23] I think I got it all sorted out. So congratulations. Okay. We're going to talk about this in a second. Excellent. Oh, I mean, just super warm. Welcome. Please tell me if you don't mind where you're from as well, because, um, I like to know if I'm able to reach out around the world a little bit, because obviously I'm in a place where there isn't a lot of hockey.

[00:05:44] I'm in Canada, in Calgary, Canada right now. And, um, it's just. It's just nice to know that we are a worldwide, global phenomena. Phenomenon actually is the correct word. We are a phenomenon because we are singular. As a group. Okay. Um, yes, girl, they are in the shop. Oh my God. Go get one. What? How could you even ask me that?

[00:06:11] Of course, it's in the shop. There you go, Rob. Thank you. Cheers. Where's my, where's my maté For Rodrigo as well. Maté, if you were taking, maté right now, I join you. It's kind of sad that I drink or I take my maté all on my own, but I just use this little thermos. And then I just pour for myself and drink my maté alone.

[00:06:38] I was going to be focused, I really was. Alexander, nice to see you. Are you new? I think you're new. Also, I just like pressing buttons because they're obnoxious. And you live in Bahia Blanca, seven, cinquente, cin… No, I'm gonna get it wrong. Siento. I'm gonna get it wrong. 700 kilometers from Buenos Aires. Look, girl's got to do the right thing for her health and her caffeine levels, right?

[00:07:13] Mmm. Ah, because you've been on the replay, Scott. And Ali, you're You're Scottish? I don't think I knew that. I'm I'm a terrible human. I love knowing this. Thank you very much. Okay, um, let's get into our stuff. This one might take us a little while. Because it always takes me a while to warm up, but here we go, this PC raised shot, because boy, has there been a lot of conversation about this on the interwebs.

[00:07:52] Okay, so this is Hoofdklasse from last weekend. There is a poll now up. In the chat, feel free to go in and give me your preliminary decision. Remember, this isn't a test. You're not going to fail, even if you get the wrong answer. Just kidding. Even if you make a different decision, what I want to do is exercise your ability to make your first call in the moment, and then…

[00:08:21] Go through. And listen to the reasoning. It's very important for us as umpires to remain neuroplastic. So sometimes we will make a decision and then we hear evidence or we see evidence and we hear arguments to the contrary. We actually, it's a psychological self defense mechanism. We get a little more entrenched into the decision that we made because we want to protect ourselves from that ego blow of, Ooh, being wrong.

[00:08:49] But guess what? Being wrong is not the worst thing in the world. Not changing your mind when you should change your mind, that's the worst thing in the world. I might be talking about that later. There may be a round to the week coming on in that. Foreshadowing, boo boo boo boo. Yeah. So, I would like to hear what your preliminary thoughts are when you watch this particular play.

[00:09:15] I'm going to make a confession right now that I made a preliminary decision and then I started seeing some good arguments to the contrary and then I went back to my original decision and then I went back and I went back and I have flip the effin flop out of this call. And that's one of the dangers, right, as we watch this over and over again is that we just start second guessing and second guessing.

[00:09:44] So again, Your vote in the poll is just a way for you to exercise that immediate in the moment. That's what I'm going to make. I'm going to make my call on this. So there you go. Kofi, you're from Ghana and also an FIH umpire. Well, oh my gosh. Get your butt into the server, please. Because I support FIH umpires by giving them access to all the things.

[00:10:09] Okay, uh, I know what it's like. To want to further your international career and how much money it takes to fund yourself to do things. So please let me support you. Come into the Discord server. Um, do I have a thing for it? I do. I, I, I will, I will do it right now. Discord! There it is, Kofi. Come on in and say hi.

[00:10:35] Thank you, Mr. Milford, for your amazing link. That works. So Wayne, it looks like a hit on goal. Ali says, it looks like a slap, not a flex, so too high. So, this is where I want to start digging in a little further. Because you know me, I love myself a good principle. I don't just like to say, oh, looks bad.

[00:10:57] That's a bad tackle, we're gonna call that. No, we look at principles, we look at why things are called the way they are, why the rule's in place. And… It's, we do that not because, um, well, it entertains me. But the reason we do it is because we want to develop a set of knowledge that serves us in the future.

[00:11:21] So that when we go into our next game and we have this decision, but the facts are slightly different. Are we still able to go back to the same principles that stay true all the time? And that helps us make an accurate call in that moment. It may not be the same call. You may call a free hit defense here, and you may call a goal in the next one.

[00:11:42] That isn't being inconsistent. That is about being consistent to principles if you have applied them correctly. So, good to see you, thank y'all very much. First shot, and okay, first shot too high, so we're gonna work on this a little bit. No worries. Simon and Boo. I will be talking about Boo later. And Alistair, the commentator, commentator said the first shot on goal was a combination between a slap and a push.

[00:12:10] Yeah, that's not a thing. Hi commentator. You really like trying to muddy the waters. That's like being pregnant and not pregnant. It's gotta be one or the other. And you can say it's really, really close and hard to tell the difference between the two, but it's one or the other. There you go. Godders is on for that.

[00:12:32] It's a. Okay, Kofi, a short grip hit and it went high so it's no goal. Okay, I think that's an interesting observation and so you're pulling out something that, you know, you would say is a signpost, a principle you would apply. But the short grip… is not necessarily anything determinative. You can push a ball with two hands at the top of the stick and you can hit a ball with your hands separated on the stick.

[00:13:03] So to me there's nothing that Merits, cause I, I don't know if this is a popular stroke in, in areas, some other areas in the world, but you know, here and in many places I've seen the, um, it's a very ice hockey looking slap shot motion. And every time it happens in an international game, you'll hear Simon Mason saying, That's a Wayne Gretzky slap shot!

[00:13:28] Which is very funny to me, cause there's more people that play ice hockey than Wayne Gretzky. But, uh, anyway. And that is very much… Two hands separated. I believe a short grip is when you actually have your left hand is lower down the stick, and so your stick is shortened. I thought that's what a short grip is, but again, that's why using terms that don't necessarily have bearing on the actual rule may not serve you in making an accurate decision.

[00:13:57] Marcus, you can see the backswing. Okay, now we're starting to get into it. Good, good. Keep that going. It's the second shot, but first shot at goal. Okay, it's, it, but the, this is important, Stain, because in order for us to get the principles right, we want to make sure we understand, if there had been a previous shot at goal, it doesn't matter what height this is at.

[00:14:21] So, let's not use the term second shot if you don't mean that it's a shot at goal. Because it's, and it's not. So, we've, we've talked about this in the server a little bit. When you go and you review the situation, there is a derivation of the ball's path from the top of the castle towards the injector.

[00:14:45] And some people said, oh, well, that's a deflection, you know, or that there's been contact there, though it was actually the first shot at goal was from the top. And I, I absolutely disagree with that because it's quite clear. That when you watch this on the replay, that this is very much, very much intended to be a pass, and it is not directed at goal.

[00:15:15] It doesn't have to hit the goal in order for it to be a shot at goal, we know that from the definitions in the rulebook. But it has to be, the attack presses intend to be trying to direct it at goal, and this is a very, You can tell from the body language of all the players, where they're facing, where the pass goes, how far off target that is, that's a pass.

[00:15:37] So it's not a shot at goal. So the first shot at goal is from the injector. Just making sure that we're still clear on that one. Uh, you feel the balls come off the stick as a recall and not traveled on the stick as a push pre hit. Well, I mean, it, it, it, it doesn't really, it doesn't really matter because…

[00:16:02] Well, it's an interesting point, because if the ball had stayed on the stick, it would absolutely be a push. If there had been no, uh, there had been no space. Between the ball and the, um, the ball and the stick, all through this motion, it couldn't possibly be anything but a push. Because we know what a push is, so, we'll have a look at that.

[00:16:30] Aw, uh, Rachel's gonna have a whistle, pendant! Okay, Godders, let's go. Striking or slapping the ball using a swinging movement towards the ball. Slap hitting the ball, which involves a long pushing motion with the stick, is regarded as a hit. Okay, excellent. We're getting closer. So I want to come look at this.

[00:16:48] Okay, these are… Let me just see which way. Okay, that's indoor, and that's outdoor. Okay, so, we, we talked about, we touched on this in the server because there has been a discussion going on in the server about this one. And if you aren't in the server, then, you know, you should be there so that you can be a part of this and, and help warm me up and confuse the issue for me.

[00:17:13] No, and, and help me formulate the best thinking and the best way to explain these things, because that's very important to me. Your input makes that happen. And, how did this get all Messed up. Okay, right. So, I said, like, let's look at how we apply the rules of hitting an indoor, because it could be informative.

[00:17:42] Why do we not permit hitting an indoor? Because it's dangerous. Why is it dangerous in indoor? Well, because we have a number of players in a small space. And they are low to the ground because there's no raising of the ball, and therefore, because they're low to the ground for swings, or follow throughs, sorry, follow throughs of swings can be quite dangerous, uh, in going towards the faces because from the shorter distances and all those sort of things, you have more risk of, of actually making contact with the follow through, and being closer means that the or being in a more compressed space means that the faster speed of the ball is going to be, you know, magnify the danger and that sort of thing.

[00:18:30] Okay, so those are the things that go into why a hit is dangerous in indoor. The definition is what you just saw Godders put on the screen. Is very much the same. Striking or slap hitting the ball, using a swinging movement of the stick towards the ball, slap hitting the ball, which involves a long swinging movement of the stick.

[00:18:47] It's, like, I… Somebody put this in the server to make a note to get this fixed. To try to put on my list of rule suggestions. Rule change suggestions. So there you go. Um, so, it's not super clear. Whenever a definition of a word contains the word that you're trying to define, you clearly have some circular logic going on.

[00:19:15] Sort of slap hitting the ball. They could have just said slapping the ball. Which involves a long pushing or sweeping moment. And then they go long push, like, It's not a push, because a push is a defined term, which is not… What a hit is. It's just so badly worded, you guys. Groof. Anyway.

[00:19:41] And that said, the indoor rule is no different from the outdoor rule. Other than the fact that it just says, By the way, you know, in indoor it's not permitted. But it's the same, striking or slapping the ball. Actually it's, hang on, it's better.

[00:20:06] No, it's the same. Using the swinging movement of the ball. I need better glasses already.

[00:20:17] It's virtually the same definition, okay? And so under, say, legal interpretation principles, you know, we would call this informative. Not a direct application, but we would say it's informative that the same word is defined in the same way in two different formats of the game. The motivations behind why…

[00:20:40] It's defined in that manner, and why it is outlawed might be slightly different. So why is a hit not permitted as the first shot at goal in outdoor? Because we draw this arbitrary line to say it is too dangerous for defenders who haven't had the opportunity. To get themselves into a position where they can defend against a rising hit shot.

[00:21:13] Because it takes less time for a ball to be hit than it does to be, say, drag flipped. Or, whatever. And that, that raised hit from the top, if it's the first shot, Is going to be coming at a screaming height, through a lot of players, all that kind of thing. So it's a discreet situation in Outdoor, and it doesn't have quite the same aspects to it.

[00:21:43] And honestly, keeping that sort of guiding principle in mind is the reason why I go back and forth on this one. Um, but let's, let's show you this. Oh, Oh, Godders is going to get into science. Yes. That's what I like. Bringing the stick back away from the ball, says Scott Riley, uh, before swinging it to make contact with the ball suggests a hitchy, not a push or a scoop.

[00:22:05] So it's that little backswing. I, I like that. Okay. Let me go into this before I, cause I know Godders is going to be getting into something like this. So I have a level one indoor comprehensive course that. I've been running for years. We call it Narla. Our particular area here in Calgary, it's the Indoor Provincial course, uh, where umpires get certified at that entry level for this.

[00:22:37] But if this is open for anybody, if you're interested in indoor hockey and you want to feel like you have a full, comprehensive knowledge of the rules and how to apply them and how to position yourself and how to manage a game, then you could come in and… Find this course yourself. Um, you can see it's quite It's, it's there.

[00:22:59] It's long. I'll put a link in the chat, uh, so you can have a look. And I'm currently in talks with people about, um, using this in more places. Did that work? That worked.

[00:23:22] Oh, come on, really? You're gonna do this to me. You're gonna do this to me right now. We Frederick, you're watching from Ghana as well Wait, are you you're not the same Wow, I got cheap info from Ghana today? Just Give me an air horn. I want that action. What a great day. Oh my goodness. Slapping versus slap hitting.

[00:23:48] I, I don't, there is no difference to me. I don't know why. How can you slap the ball without it being hit? It's, it's redundant. There you go. Um, oh, it did, it did appear. Okay, good. So, from this course, I have a unit in here, which is all about hitting the ball. Okay? And a lot of this is pulled and guided by the, here it is, um, by the FIH Indoor Briefing, obviously.

[00:24:25] And I've taught an indoor, uh, Level 1 course at the FIH Academy, so I'm well familiar with That this is international standard and how we talk about it. As this player sends the ball back over to the other side of the pitch, that's called as a free push against because she, she had a backswing of more than, look how big that is, that's probably over a meter of that backswing.

[00:24:55] That is considered a hit. So despite the fact that the stick is in contact with the ground the whole time, Taking the stick away from the ball and striking it through and then the follow through that happens makes that a hit. Okay, I hope you heard all of that. I'm gonna turn down the volume again. So, what I'm describing, just in case the sound didn't come through, it looked like it did, but I could be absolutely wrong.

[00:25:24] Yeah, now I'm worried. I was absolutely wrong. So what we're looking at is that, first of all, the distance between where the stick begins its forward motion, because there is a backswing, and when it contacts the ball is definitely more than a meter. Now, if you're from the Netherlands, for example, You have, in your briefing, locally, a 50 centimetre rule, and, I mean, that's kind of hard, and what I say, what I say is, uh, and, and I think for international guidelines, it's like, it's definitely got to be under a metre, it's easier to look at, metre distances are easier to, sort of, than, like, 50 centimetres, it's very, very hard to, to perceive.

[00:26:15] Oh, the sound did come through. Fantastic. So it's that extra movement away. Let's have a look at the replay again and let's see if I can pull this out.

[00:26:36] I looked a little weird for a bit. Okay.

[00:26:42] This I'm going to use my handy video pencil tool to annotate on the screen. Look at that. This is amazing stuff.

[00:26:55] Okay. So, initial reception is, there's a little bit of a bobble away, but it's this motion here, and I think actually if I, yeah, I'm going to come to the slow motion part because it's, it's even easier to, to, slo mo the slo mo. I'm in 25x speed. Okay, so there's the reception, and now, she's setting up her feet, and moving away.

[00:27:26] From here, I think you're fine. So if her stick had moved forward from this point, I'd say, yep, that's under a meter, that's gonna be fine. But, what happens is, what had happened was, there's now this extra backswing that comes into play. This is the maximal distance here, and it's hard, but we have a fairly side on view, I think, between the ball and the stick, and if I were to say if this is more than one meter, I would say yes.

[00:28:14] And it's that cocking of the wrists to snap it back so that she can snap through using her stick as a pivot point around which the ball then gets impacted quickly and springs off instead of being pushed along the stick, along the ground, or anywhere. As you'd look for an indoor, or being propelled in the air on the stick, that does not happen here.

[00:28:43] You have a matching impact of force, and then the ball springs away. That's how I see it, and I'd love to hear if that makes sense to you. If that gives you more meat to make these kind of determinations, and to, to go back and forth. Let's see.

[00:29:08] Everybody's saying cool, cool, cool, cool.

[00:29:14] Okay. So, going back, did I go back to the re yeah I did. Okay, here we go.

[00:29:26] And I think that It's important to go through those steps to recognize what are the key points you're looking for. You're looking for distance, you're looking for an extra motion back, the backswing, as a few people pointed out. And then you're looking for in that motion if the ball stays on the stick at all.

[00:29:45] Because a push is much more about the ball staying on the stick for some period of time. Not a ton, all the time. And in indoor it's, it's very like, ooh, kind of close.

[00:30:02] And what's interesting for me is I'm presenting this and I presented the indoor stuff, we looked at the definitions, Goddard's had us run through them, we, we looked at an indoor video, we listened to the thinking, and although the reason that we call these is different than, like, the spirit behind it is different than how we called it indoor, To me, I think you still get to the same results because of the facts.

[00:30:36] The spirit of it would come much more into if this were even closer than it is. This isn't far off from being okay. Like, this really isn't… Somebody on Twitter was all like, This is unbelievable! How does the umpire not see this? It's like, um, dude, it's a lot harder than you think. Trust. Um… But if I really felt like I'm looking at that distance and saying, you know, I think it's, it's, I think it's 50 centimetres.

[00:31:07] I think it's, you know, it's there. It's, it's really close. Then I would defer to the thinking that what danger we truly trying to prevent here. And has that danger been prevented because of the offset of the ball being passed over to the side and all that sort of thing. Like, does it look like you're calling a technicality or you're really protecting the players?

[00:31:31] You see what I mean? See that, that difference? And does that mean that decisions will be different in different fact scenarios? Absolutely. Are you going to be the umpire that is all officious and stamps all over this and makes the highly technical call because you got out a tape measure and you were able to measure your You're 75 centimeters and say, no, you don't want to be that person.

[00:31:59] None of us do. Okay? Um, Wayne, uh, for you, uh, oh, it helps. Okay. It's a lot easier to make, oh yes, it's way easier to make the decision in slow motion. I agree. And the trail was, uh, out of position to help. Well, we don't know where the, we don't know where the supporting umpire was. Uh, the, the, okay, we can see them in the replay, I take that back, you absolutely can see where the supporting umpire is, and I think they're, they're fine.

[00:32:27] That's not a decision that we are really asking the supporting umpire to make, really. It's, it's, they are that far away and, and processing the difference and that subtlety of the backswing and that sort of thing, that's, that's too hard for them. We talked about supporting umpires last week and what their jobs are, and how really important it is that we stop thinking that they're a double check on everything in the circle, but they really have to focus on a few things.

[00:32:57] They have to focus on the height of the drag flick that hits the first runner. They have to focus on Third party line blocking running lanes. They have to see the off ball stuff. And they have to see whether the shot's going on goal. I'm pointing outside of the camera, okay? Those are the three things we really need them to focus on.

[00:33:23] And we're missing the middle one. And actually, if I'd said that third way, I would've said, We missed the last part. Because more and more we're seeing that as an employed strategy, and Wayne, I'm sure you've seen this a lot, and so has everybody else, that coaches are structuring their penalty corner defence plays and their attacking movements to create space by posting up, by interrupting people's running lines.

[00:33:54] And… Hoping they get away with it, and a lot of times they do, because it's really hard to see in the moment. Especially for that controlling umpire, we have to split up the responsibilities. They're not a double check on absolutely everything. And Simon, super clear. In lower EH leagues, you get more pushback about this being the first shot on goal than it being a hit.

[00:34:18] Versus a drag flick, yeah. Yep. It's, it's hard. And, you know, there you go. And this one's actually less dangerous than a drag flick. Yeah, I know. And that's, and it's difficult because you want to say, well, the rule could be reformulated. I think the, the rationale is, is good if this player had the whole reason it's safe is because she bobbles the ball.

[00:34:53] The whole, because she, the ball is bouncing when it gets to her. I absolutely, 100 percent believe that the way that they've drilled this particular variation is that the ball comes to her and she, she corrals it on the stick and flicks it into the goal. But the, the, uh, the slap hit to get to her bobbles.

[00:35:18] So she actually has to pull her feet up and get her feet behind the ball because she's… She's gonna see if she can keep it inbound regardless. And maybe the umpire won't see it if it hits her feet. It's just, it's just good skill work. Okay. Like, we're not judging here. And then she has to take a second thing and, and that extra time makes all the difference as to whether this is safe or not.

[00:35:40] And the way the, the, the D runs out, they run, um, a, a pretty high diamond and the post players on the left hand side. So there's like, there's nobody in the way. Great. But does that mean that, you know, we're, we're not calling actual danger? This is one of those technical rules that inside the D, in a penalty corner, we have to follow the steps.

[00:36:05] Does that make sense? There you go. Uh, good luck, Luke. Hopefully you're good. Okay, let's go to the poll results and see what y'all say. Uh, let's see, so for 77 percent of you, you believe it was a raised hit, and for goal, uh, 23 percent of you were still there. And Mike, you're finding it interesting, none of the Bloomedale players look like they disagree.

[00:36:34] Yeah. Yeah, um, I would have been too. I would have been as well. And, and sometimes when a certain culture of decision, uh, or a certain interpretive level is, is common, which may actually not be correct in a particular area, the players aren't complaining. Very much, but there you go. And like, let's face it, Godders would have been arguing for him.

[00:37:04] I'm just kidding. He wouldn't have argued for any… Very reasonable, reasonable people. Okay, uh, that was a good one. I enjoyed that. I felt like I was preparing the indoor stuff kind of at the last minute. Because I was like, wait a minute, I've talked about this somewhere. I've… It's not like it's my first time at this rodeo.

[00:37:27] Where have I talked about it before? Oh, in my indoor course. Oh, I could talk about that. Yeah, it's, you know. There you go. Uh, Frederick, what do you got? Most umpires watch the game acting as spectators. Yes, absolutely. We see that problem. Yes. So one of the things that we do very much in our FHU3T membership, yellow membership, is we do watch parties.

[00:37:51] Where we are watching games together and talking about what we're seeing and from an umpiring perspective. And sometimes, occasionally, we might get a little caught up in the amazing skill and the athleticism that we're seeing from the players and like, that's, that's fine, but I'm really trying. To teach us, as umpires, how to watch a game, what are we looking for, why are we looking at certain things, what will they mean, can we predict what's going to happen later on in the game because of what is happening in that particular moment, so, it's very much a…

[00:38:31] A work in progress and it takes a lot of practice. I actually am kind of sad when I watch hockey now and I'm not in any kind of official role or capacity because I'm just, I just don't watch the game. I don't watch players. And, and it would be fun to, it would be fun to enjoy and just like be a fan and like cheer for and want one team really badly to win, that would be amazing, but I don't do that in hockey anymore.

[00:39:00] I want the third team to be amazing and they're the people I'm cheering for, they're the people I'm studying and watching and rooting for and, and all that sort of thing, so. Anyway, really good points, though. I like that. Okay, what did I want to talk about? Uh, right! So, when I asked Raju where he's from, where he's tuning in from, He talked about the fact that he is from, um, Goa, which, uh, there's, I know it's a very, it's a very large city.

[00:39:33] There's a, there's a club in Toronto actually called Goa. Um, so if there's a whole hockey club in Canada in, in Toronto named Goa, you know that it's, it's a big place and very important in, uh, in, in hockey culture. And I was talking to Gayatri the other day. Gare is, oh, where is she? Uh, she is second on the right from the umpire.

[00:39:59] So the, the, the, uh, three guys at the front are the eams and then there's another, uh, young lady, and then there's gare who is just finishing up her sub eight, sub 18. It's, it's weird. Under 18, uh, championship regional tournament and sent me this photo. And I, I mean, this is so cool. Like what a great photo that is.

[00:40:25] Anyway, so she's been reporting into me almost every day, which has been fantastic and letting me know how things are going. And, and I've really liked, uh, the status reports. But one morning she said, so one of my senior umpires sat me down to show me a video. And it was you. And I was like, what? She said, yeah, it's, it was you, because actually you don't know how many people in India watch your stuff.

[00:40:53] They just watch it on replay. So, okay, first of all, I want to point out a couple of things. This isn't to be meta, like, wait, I did it. I'm wearing black and the same glasses. I wanted to show you that I actually create Google auto translated captioning in a variety of languages. Because I want people to feel that they have an opportunity to understand.

[00:41:26] I do speak a little more slowly usually when I'm doing live streams because I'm trying to be clear and enunciate. So for people who are trying to learn English, because it is the language of hockey, but I truly respect how hard it is and that you're having to work a lot harder. as a second language. So I've done this.

[00:41:45] So you could listen to me speak in English, but you can watch the subtitles in your language. So there's a whole bunch. There's, uh, Indonesian and Italian and German and Dutch and, and Hindi and… And if I've missed your language, tell me, but I go by what YouTube tells me. The highest percentage of languages are spoken in my audience are.

[00:42:09] That's how I do it. 14 percent of you speak Hindi. And I'd like to welcome you all, thank you, that's amazing, and if I'm, if you're one of those people, drop something in the comments for me, let me know, and let me know if that is actually useful for you, because it is a bit of work. I'm happy to do it, but if it's not useful, if it doesn't help, if you could do it on your own, or whatever, just tell me, and I'll, um, I won't, but yes, great stuff.

[00:42:44] Funny vampires watch the game when they should be umpiring. Exactly. No time for fun. I'm just kidding. It's not that. Yes, and Rodrigo's Spanish is, yeah, you see the Spanish there. And I don't choose between Latin American and Spain Spanish because I know probably most of you are Latin American and Spanish, but I, but I, anyway, I hope it works.

[00:43:06] And I, I want to hear if you have the captions turned on and you see something and it's hilarious, like it's a really bad mistranslation. Um, please let me know because I want to, I want them to be like outtakes. Like you said this, and this is what. It was told to us in Hindi and I would have loved because that would just be hilarious.

[00:43:30] So I'm not promising that they're fantastic translations is what I'm trying to say. There you go. Uh, the other thing I wanted to talk about, um, is that this, I, I, I missed putting this picture up last week, um, because But I've been thinking about it a lot, because, uh, there's been a little bit of a fallout, um, I'm trying to decide how much I want to talk about this, but there's been a little bit of a fallout from the whole EHO shirt debacle, still.

[00:44:05] Uh, some people are really upset at the language that I used in particular when I discussed this issue, and I have it, I have it clipped, I'm, I'm not gonna show it again. Right now, but I might show it, like, on another episode if we need to replay it. And I was really, really upset. I was really upset. And although the languaging that I used at the time was a very accurate reflection of how I felt, targeting a profanity at a person is not a good choice.

[00:44:45] I regret that choice, and I apologize for that choice. Now I'd love to hear the EHO apologize for making a really shit decision about Matt's shirts.

[00:45:02] Absent that ever coming through, we have Matt's shirts here. Modeled by one of my favorite people in the community, Rachel. I am so proud of Rachel and everything that she's doing. You have never met somebody who umpires more and gives more of their time. For this game, than Rachel does. When she talks about how many matches she umpires in a weekend, and that she's going all through the summer, and does a ton of indoor, and will do like 20 games a day in indoor, it gets ridiculous.

[00:45:35] So the fact that there is not a shirt that is inclusive of Rachel's… needs provided by her officiating association is absolutely ridiculous. And you can't on one hand celebrate Tess Howard and all the amazing stuff that she's done for women's uniforms as players, and then say, yeah, but we don't really need to provide women's shirts, because whatever.

[00:46:05] So I though, although I apologize for the language that I used. In that moment, I do not apologize for the stance I made, because I am fighting for both Rachel and Boo, who she's standing with right next to her. Boo is the future of women umpires in England and worldwide, and when I see the two of them together, it makes me tear up.

[00:46:30] And I want to make sure that Boo understands that she has a place in this community, she is more than welcome in this community, and I am fighting my ass off to make sure that more and more women get into umpiring. So I don't take it back. Not the anger and not the approbation and not the absolute conviction that that is the wrong decision and they have to change it.

[00:46:57] And when they do, they're going to have to apologize. Thank you very much. Okay. I was going to do all that. Did I do a…

[00:47:15] That's QR code if you want to go see the, um, if you want to see the match shirts on the site. How did I do? Oh, I forgot the other thing I just wanted to show you as well. Um, this is a picture of Ali Baggott in action in Canada West Competition, which is our local university here in Western Canada. A lot of the national team Canadian players who go through the system play for, play in that conference, uh, by the way.

[00:47:44] And this is Ali in, in, I hope you can see, she's wearing the skirt. That I had made, and a lot of people asked me, Keely, like, why don't you have pants? And, you know, for guys. And I'm like… Because you can walk into any golf store and find a perfect, amazingly built for purpose set of pants. They're everywhere.

[00:48:11] But finding a skirt that works, that is comfortable, and that is purpose built for holding your cards, and you can get them out quickly, and they don't fall out, that's hard. So I made a skirt, and I did not make pants.

[00:48:30] Announcements. Sue me.

[00:48:34] Those are my announcements. Uhhh, don't get Ginette started again. Oh, Ginette, Ginette, you and I have to talk. Cause there's more on that story. Rachel is absolutely a role model. Absolutely. Um, thank you, Frederick. It's, but it's, it's the right thing. It's the right thing. And it's really, you know, it wasn't my, it wasn't my proudest moment.

[00:49:01] So, just like I sort of alluded to, When we were watching the first clip, one thing I've learned about umpiring is it's very important, very important to say, I was wrong about that decision. I didn't have the rule straight in my head or I wasn't in the right position to see it or whatever. Now, we're not gonna self ass we're not we're not gonna be blurting that out constantly throughout a game if we're having a really bad one.

[00:49:29] But when we realize That we have things to learn from the mistakes that we make. There is absolutely nothing wrong. It's actually the best thing to do because it frees you from the ego of the attachment to the wrong thing. And there are a lot of people in this world who should really try that on.

[00:49:55] And the best nails that you've ever seen in an amazing umpire. This is awesome! Yes, even you. Oh, Bob Jordan says hi. Okay. Oh, okay. No worries, Bob. On the replay, put something in the comments and say hi. And say that you're, that you're here. Be nice to have a wave. Uh, you can't see enough. Yes, Canadian English isn't an option.

[00:50:20] Just kidding. We don't have proper English either. Okay. Short show.

[00:50:27] These aerial goals, they're both from high ones. My goodness. Orch reckons he's going to shine and he's already done so. Oh my goodness, there's a goal! How on earth have they transitioned so quickly for Tom Cray to get their third? Set up by the man who I was just talking about, Tim Brand, sending it through the field, up into the air, bounced perfectly.

[00:50:52] For Tom Craig, look at this, Tim Brand sends the aerial, we've got to watch it in slow motion, it happened that fast. Jack Hayes? Oh my goodness, that's one of the goals of the year for tennis shows. Okay, so yes, my friend Luke Barnard sent this to me on Instagram, and… Do you have questions? Because I have questions.

[00:51:19] The poll is there, there are some options. If you, if you have an answer in your head, by the way, that isn't in the poll… Feel free to give your own answer. If it's restart with a bully, um, I'm gonna disconnect your buzzer.

[00:51:42] I'm just kidding. Ooh, that's a little strong. Rodrigo, I didn't, I didn't clean up that last sip. Whoo! That's tart!

[00:51:54] You better, girl. You better. That's the idea.

[00:52:04] And hi from… Okay, Netherlands? I'm used to the three letter country codes that are used by the FIH. And my friends hate it. Because I will never say, um, I won't use, like, monetary or anything like that. I always use the country code for international flight. I'm sorry. But Franz, I'm gonna, I'm gonna guess that's not it.

[00:52:33] If I'm wrong, correct me. And I will apologize, because I'm willing to do that after I find out I'm wrong.

[00:52:46] Um, so, first of all, if you watch this as a hockey fan, you're gonna be like, Yeah! Ha! Wow, what a goal. Yes, they're already proclaiming this as the goal of the year in Hockey Ones. Um, apparently they don't watch the Dutch Hoofdklasse, because I'd say that Zach Wallace's… This goal in the first game of the season kills this, but there you go.

[00:53:13] Luke number four. Yes. Um, this is Tom Craig's goal and the, it's Luke, I just heard his name and I've forgotten it now. Okay. Keith, thank you. Um, this is the question I had as well. Is the goalkeeper the initial receiver in this case and the attacker backs into that space and less than two meters. Making it within playing distance.

[00:53:39] So, I'm not a huge fan of the whole two meters being playing distance, because if that were the case, then that would be what's written in the rule as playing distance. Playing distance is a bit more nuanced than that. It has to do with directionality of the ball, and the height of the ball, where it's coming down from, and that sort of thing.

[00:53:57] But, I think you can safely call this playing distance. And,

[00:54:06] I'm, I'm very interested in watching player… understanding develop about these rules and their reactions in the moment as to how, you know, these things happen. Now, I think this was like the one goal this team scored in the game and seven by the opposition? Two? No, I got that very wrong. I'm confusing it with a different game.

[00:54:37] But when you watch the goalkeeper's body language, he kind of goes… But, so there's, unless he was able to swear very vociferously under his breath, um, without letting his body language show it, he doesn't look mad. He just looks a little confused. And a little bemused. Like, what else was I supposed to do?

[00:55:03] Because he's not going to want to move any closer. To the, you know, any, he's not going to want to shift that receiving area at all because it's then going to look like he's definitely the one infringing. And the penalty for him doing so is so high. He knows that. He knows that it's going to be a stroke because he can see everything happening.

[00:55:29] And to me, in watching this, this is a case where you either have no clear initial receiver or the goalkeeper is the initial receiver. Doesn't matter. It's, it's not really material, and it's not an interception that is outside of playable difference, the playable distance. Um, what do you see, Simon? You see a goalkeeper in space, not moving, the attacker reversing space within five meters.

[00:55:59] You think this steers your thinking. Okay, and Rachel? Yep. Marcus, yeah, the attacker's retreating to get to the ball, but you're, you're thinking not the obvious initial receiver, and that's fine. That's fine. Make sure you go vote in the poll. Hi, Samantha, friend. Good to see you. Um, so… The other point that I want to draw out of this particular scenario before I go look at the poll is I want to draw a little bit of attention.

[00:56:31] Surprise! I'm going to draw some attention to positioning. Not dragging. Pointing out that a method of positioning that we've been relying on for the last 30 plus years is not well equipped to deal with the modern game and how the game has evolved. Shot past us, evolution wise, and left us in the dirt.

[00:56:59] Here is our umpire, who is at this point taking off, but at the time, he was here. And the ball is here on the sideline. He is approximately, he's probably, that is the 15 meter mark there. And… This is a meter over the, this is two meters over the line, so he is ten meters away from the ball at the moment that it's happening.

[00:57:28] My first tip… And a piece of advice would be, that's really, really close. That's really, really close and really far away from your mission critical area, which is your goal. And then when you see the umpire running, they're looking over their shoulder and their focus is on the ball, which is pretty natural, right?

[00:57:54] There's lots of fouls that happen around the ball in many occasions. He's probably worried about whether it's going to be safe on the way up if it's an aerial or if it gets played and it's mis trapped and that sort of thing. But the problem is, and I don't know if we get this one on the replay very well.

[00:58:14] Okay, so I mean right in this moment you can see attention is focused in this direction. He doesn't know where the goalkeeper is. And this is why this positioning style… Does not work for any game in which you have aerial balls, and I would argue for Very, very many levels of the game going all the way.

[00:58:39] You can get away with a lot at very slow, unskilled levels, but that doesn't mean that you're doing good habits that are gonna help you out. You're still going to get caught by a ball that gets smacked along the ground. You think that right to left slant diagonal ball is never going to get through all those spaces.

[00:58:57] And then all of a sudden, player one, player two, player three all mistrap it and it's in your circle. And something important is happening and you are not in your happy place, in your mission critical area, in order to make the decision. So, at the moment that the ball is starting to come down, he's had to, he's probably been watching the ball in the air, because the ball's pretty.

[00:59:19] We like to stare at it. Which means that, again, he doesn't know that the goalkeeper is in the receiving area. And that this player has started further away, and is starting… to back in. It's impossible to clock that in the moment. However, if the umpire had been here in their happy place, that's sort of translating.

[00:59:48] He would have had this more in his periphery, and actually he would have been a little further over there. But he would have had all that in his periphery, and the ball would have been traveling, and he would have been able to see that peripherally, and then seeing the players right in front of him, he'd be like, oh, I got it.

[01:00:02] That's an easy decision. Okay? So, that is the difference that mission critical positioning Can make in these kind of decisions, and obviously I just have to show it Quickly. If you want to know more about mission critical positioning, this stream has been brought to you by QR code in the link Or in the, in the thing, here, MCP.

[01:00:37] You're not just ahead of me, Godders. You're not just ahead of me with MCP, you're ahead of the game. Bam! Did you get that? Um, let's go back to… Whoops. I navigated my way right out of this whole live stream. So I can deal with Taka's question. So if the attacker is not the first receiver… The initial receiver, possibly.

[01:01:05] Is that an allowed interception? Pretty close. And it's a safe when you think so. I think it's within playing distance. Was it particularly dangerous? No. But the fact that the goalkeeper is just so disciplined and not reaching makes it look safer than it even is. Because the goalkeeper's terrified he's the one who's gonna get called.

[01:01:29] So, there you go. And, Mbeno, you think the attacker is the initial receiver, and the goalkeeper was not 5. Why do you think the attacker was the initial receiver? Because he's not in the space that the ball is going to. He has to move as the ball is in travel. And from 20 meters, from where the ball is in the air, to where it is, is the attacker in the receiving area first?

[01:02:01] I don't believe so. And that's okay if you see it differently, that's fine. I just want to make sure we're talking about exactly the same things, and that it's, it's difficult for us as well with the camera, the way that the camera moves, the camera's tracking the ball. Which just shows you how we can't be tracking the ball when we're making these decisions.

[01:02:23] Okay? Hope that helps. Oh, drive by smash the like button. Thanks, Jolt! I will see you, I will see you later, literally, in the replay squad. There you go, and yes, god, I'm making that comment. Okay, um, 80 percent going with the free hit defense. Okay, excellent. Thank you for that, let's have a look I don't need, I don't want the music playing. Um, MCP saved you 2k, does that mean less beer at full time? I would hate to be the reason. That you feel like less, fewer beverages are coming your way. That is an unintended negative consequence. But think of it this way, that your knees are going to last a lot longer.

[01:03:23] So that's the good news. And Scott, you coached an umpire last week. The intended receiver is not necessarily the initial receiver. Absolutely. That's a very good point, Scott. Maybe that's… Moveno, maybe that is a bit of the languaging that we're sorting through here for you. I don't know. Let me know if that, if that explanation made any more sense to you.

[01:03:44] If you're, if you're firm and that you think the attacker was the initial receiver, then okay. So this play, um, is… Another aerial goal, but has some interesting nuances about it. And I've paused the replay at this moment, so again you can see,

[01:04:19] you can see at the moment that the ball was going, and just the body language of the confusion. of the defender is one thing. I'm not saying that's definitive. I'm just pointing it out to you. I just want you to take in all these pieces of information as you're looking at them. Um, Alistair, the Dutch rules state that if there's no clear initial receiver, the team who raised the ball has to allow the opposing team to control the ball.

[01:04:47] So no interception outside playing distance then. Um, no, that, that's not, interceptions still exist because they're clearly in the rulebook. So I don't believe that your Dutch guidance is intending to overrule that.

[01:05:06] I sure hope not. An interception outside of playing distance and safe should still be permitted, regardless, because that is a Rule of Hockey. It says so in the rule. There. In the rule. Okay.

[01:05:34] So at the moment, Taco, you're ready for this. What is the player doing in the goal before the reception that isn't allowed, is it? Yeah, go vote in the poll! So, as we have a look, okay, this is as the ball is, this is less than 20 metres, I think, as the ball is coming down. And I'm trying to count, and it's from our angle, we're not at a great angle to see how far away these two are from each other.

[01:06:18] That makes that look even bigger, but see if that's the, if that's seven,

[01:06:26] I mean, I'm looking at this, and this is looking like, again, two meters, maybe. Oh, this is the one time using a yellow pencil isn't very helpful.

[01:06:42] Don't worry, I can change color. There we go. Okay, so it looks pretty small, doesn't it? And then the attacker is clearly standing in the goal. And the rules of hockey

[01:07:09] say, rules

[01:07:19] I sure hope these are the outdoor rules again.

[01:07:25] Players may not I'm trying to find it now because I didn't even look for it.

[01:07:35] Here it is, 9 14. Here, look, look at me pointing at my screen. 9 14. Players must not intentionally enter the goal of their opponents, the goal that their opponents are defending, or run behind their goal. By the way, foreshadowing. Keep this in mind. 9 14.

[01:08:03] Okay.

[01:08:06] Has the forward intentionally gone in the goal or just stepped in whilst watching the ball? Well, What, what do we need to have in terms of intent here?

[01:08:20] How do we define intention for the purposes of intentional fouls and giving cards? We don't say that the player is meaning to commit a foul, that they're fully in the brain that I am going to commit a stick obstruction here, and require a foul to be called. No, what they're doing is that they are in full control, or they're in control of their actions, that are reckless as to the result that play will be broken down.

[01:08:51] Okay, so they don't have to mean to miss the tackle, but they know full well that they're in a really bad spot, they're unlikely to be successful, and if they are unsuccessful, it stops the play, and they shouldn't have tried it from there if they didn't have a good chance of doing it. Basically, is what we define as intention there.

[01:09:10] If we take that and port that into the situation, we're not dealing with breakdown play. Clearly, you can't break yourself down. But was this attacker in control? Of their motions. If their awareness of where they were wasn't there, do we still impute that they intentionally ran into the attacker's goal or were in, stepped in to the player?

[01:09:41] The, the goal that the opposing players were defending, to be very technical about it, I believe he's in full control of.

[01:09:55] So, that's there. Thank you, everybody's chiming in with 9.14. And, yes, um, I bet it was there.

[01:10:06] That if the ball is touched behind the baseline, it's no goal. Yeah. Yeah, because it hasn't been touched by an attacker inside the circle prior to crossing. The fully crossing over the goal line, so very true. Uh, Simon the attacker was over the baseline in the goal when he played the ball. Is that allowed?

[01:10:28] We… Sorry, we had already covered that. And it's a free hit defense for multiple reasons says Luke. Yeah, so we've had… Um, discussions about players being over that goal line, attackers being over that goal line when goals are being scored. And there was an instance, and I'll link to it in the description, and put a little thing up here.

[01:10:56] It was at yee, I think it was at Euros, maybe in like 2018, and it was Scotland and Ireland, and a Scottish player, I believe, no, it could have been the other way around. Anyway, an attacker was running for a def a rebound type situation, and touched the ball before it crossed the line, making sure it would go in, and also entered the goal.

[01:11:28] at that time. And there was a question as to, well, are they inside the goal? Have they intentionally went inside the goal? And to me, the answer is no, that goal should stand because there was no, at the time that the goal was being scored, there was no effect of that player. Like, it wasn't He wasn't already in the goal and then gained an advantage in order to be able to score the goal, and

[01:12:00] yeah, I lost my train of thought. Okay, anyway, you guys are probably ahead of me on it anyway. That is, for me, very distinguishable from this situation. Because what we have is, first of all, um, an attacker standing behind… An initial receiver, potentially, or maybe there was no clear initial receiver. What is weird is that the body language of the defender, I mean, God, if you're gonna sell this, if you're gonna give the umpire a reason to make this decision, don't just stand there and put your arms in the air and go, What?

[01:12:39] Frickin try to play the ball! Do your job! And then you would've got the decision. Instead, he's just like, there's a guy behind me, what's happening? Give me the call. Bloody hell, it's like an obstruction where you push the ball by and then you, you go, uh, I can't play. Very naive. But the reason the attacker is inside the goal is so that he can have that little bit more separation.

[01:13:08] So he's not infringing on the five meters. The purpose of his… Positioning there is to take advantage of that role, which then gives him an advantage that allows him to score the goal. Let's assume that he touched the ball before it crossed the goal line, he's inside the goal in an advantageous way, and that just shouldn't be allowed.

[01:13:36] If he stayed in the field, he would have been even closer. Exactly. Exactly. Thank you, Godders. It's like we're mind twins. He wasn't already in the goal and made attempts not to follow the ball in the net. This is different. Yes. Exactly. That was the… Luke remembers that show. He's been on most of the shows, so that's probably why.

[01:13:53] Okay, let's… And… Everybody. Not everybody. But 90%! 90. 9! 99! Believe that it is a free hit defense for the attacker being inside the goal. Nobody picked up the… No clear initial receiver, that's totally cool, whatever, whatever, just knowing that is warming the cockles of my heart, as it were. Okay, let's move on.

[01:14:29] Let's go with this, PC Defence. This is my music. Play it.

[01:14:50] Weird is happening.

[01:14:59] Samantha on the other one, in your opinion, you stepped back to try to avoid the free at the fence. Yep. Agree, agree, agree.

[01:15:11] I'm just trying to get my teleprompter working again, but if it doesn't, don't worry, I'm a professional. I can do this without a teleprompter. Oh, stop it. I might have a faulty cable. That's what I'm thinking. Okay, so this came from my friend in Kenya and where is his name? I want to make sure I attempt to say this correctly, but I'm not going to.

[01:15:43] Okefe Stephene, I believe, please, if you're on the stream, if you're watching on the replay, please let me know if I didn't horribly mangle your name. Um, but he tagged me in this one, from the Instagrams, and I'd like to hear what you have to say. About this.

[01:16:09] Yeah, you're absolutely right. And that's why I'm not super hung up on the initial receiver part. And that's why I'm like, if that, if that player had attempted to play the ball, he would have been fine. So it's a good point to make. You're absolutely right. But it would have looked, if he wasn't, if the attacker wasn't in the goal, it would have looked like no clear initial receiver.

[01:16:36] Because they would have been a meter closer to each other, and would have only been a meter apart, and that's too close. Like,

[01:16:48] what, I blow this in the center of the court.

[01:16:57] It's, it's, it, it, everything changes because the goal is there. Because there is a boundary that defines where the players are able to play the ball. That, that changes everything.

[01:17:17] You've not Luke, this may have been at a Blackpool festival. So, um, I will have the link in the, um, the description later. The Instagram comments here are ridiculous. There are some people who, I mean, first of all, have clearly never read the rules of hockey. Because they're like The defenders can't run behind the goal.

[01:17:43] And it's like, yes, they can because we just looked at 9 14 And what did it say? Players cannot run behind the net of the goal that they're opposing players are defending They could run behind theirs if they want.

[01:17:58] Okay, that's not a foul.

[01:18:02] B of all, people are saying you can't exit the field Therefore it's a penalty stroke and a card and it's like what are you? How, how do you get there from, have you ever seen anybody awarded a team penalty because they didn't come into the field in the right part of the field? No! It's just something that we manage.

[01:18:35] It is not a team penalty. Unless there's some grand advantage that results, and then you just, like, it, it, it, it's just ridiculous. And the whole point of this play, the whole point of this play is shithousery. This is shithousing at its finest. And the only people That these four in the striped shirts, disadvantage, are their goalkeeper.

[01:19:08] They disadvantage themselves. This is a gift to the opposition. Now, you look at, there's like four in red. He's clapping. Now, that might be derisory clapping. He might be like, yeah. You assholes. Like, what do you think this is? Maybe he was super mad. Before the penalty corner even goes, the goalkeeper makes a motion like, he does this.

[01:19:38] And was that emotion saying, I know what's about to happen because we're going to do this little trick, because I want to make this save? Doesn't No! It doesn't need expanding, Scott! It doesn't! Because it doesn't disadvantage the opposition.

[01:20:00] They didn't go from one post to the other. That doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. They do not run behind the goal. They run behind the goal. But it doesn't meet the rule because it's not the opposition's goal. Everybody! Are we on Um, no. I mean, really? I just don't… It does say they can't run behind either goal?

[01:20:32] If I'm wrong about this? I'm going to have to apologize twice in one show, and I'm going to quit. It does say how to go. Fuck!

[01:20:47] But here's the point. I was wrong. But this is the whole point. Scott. Has it right. Thank goodness somebody's getting something right today. God, I've had a couple rough shows. You can't commit an offense against your own team.

[01:21:07] And if shithousing is worth a penalty stroke and a card, I just, I don't, I don't get it. I don't get it. Red should be humiliated that they didn't score. Like, I don't know. The ball goes outside the five metres so that they could have raised it at any height anyway? Like, everything. Did anyone, um, no. Nobody claimed, well not that I read, but probably somebody would have thought that.

[01:21:44] So was it technically legal? No. Is it disadvantaging the opposition?

[01:21:54] Would I look at this game and make sure I understand the context in which it's being played? Like, this could be an exhibition game between two friendly schools who are like, Let's have some fun today. We have no idea! This, if this is like the state final, or the, the county final of the under 16 boys, and it's super serious and these guys engage with that, I'd be like…

[01:22:20] That's kind of disrespectful, and I don't think you should do that again. And I'd have a word with the captain and be like, don't do that. Otherwise, it's fine. Both teams will look at you Yes, they would! And that's kind of the litmus test. What are the teams expecting you to do? Nothing. If there's some way to facilitate a retake, you can go for it if you want.

[01:22:42] But, eh. I know. Yeah, 12 foot 1. Thank you. I'm glad, I'm glad you guys had my back on that one. I did fail to look at that. This is what happens, friends, when you don't review the rule carefully before you do a presentation online and live streaming.

[01:23:01] Where are we at? Oh, five minutes? Okay, let's see what we've got. Um, oh yes! This goalkeeper tackle. Let me make sure I've got the sound off on this. So this was posted by our friends at the Royal Belgium Hockey Association. Please give them a follow on Facebook. I will have a link to this exact video in the description very shortly, but of all of the national associations, I don't think there's one who spends more of their social media energy and love and devotion on umpires.

[01:23:42] Then these folks, they are fantastic. They celebrate their technical officials. They celebrate umpires. They celebrate their volunteers. But the way they showcase the third team is outstanding. And they do so in an environment where their women's team is really coming up and their men's team, you know, they've won a few things, so they could ignore, but they don't because they're amazing, amazing people.

[01:24:11] So go follow them for their umpiring content. And you'll get some other things about Belgian hockey as well. So, there you go. They're looking to get the tournament hat, and either goal means the, uh, and either goal means the box they're attacking. I don't know what the tournament hat is, but that's something like that.

[01:24:32] Maybe that's why they're here. Okay. Um, high coaching hockey. The requirement to wear a mask, if it exists, is going to be a local regulation only. Not a rule of hockey. So, nobody is required to wear a face mask. Unless there is something in your rules, and clearly it's not in that jurisdiction. So we don't have to worry about things that don't matter.

[01:25:04] Let's not be all like everybody's gotta wear masks all the time. Jeez. This is why we can't have nice things. Okay, so let's have a quick look at this. I don't know if any of the rest of you saw this on Facebook, but I sure did. And they did already put out the results, so I'm not ruining their social media esteem.

[01:25:27] I just want to elevate what they're doing and have a good conversation. And what they do is they have one of their, um, FIH or national umpires come on and explain the decision a week later in their language. And so we've had Flemish and we've had French, and I can understand, um, pick up quite a bit from, uh, Michel Dutroux.

[01:25:51] I hope I'm saying that somewhat right as well. Um, and that sort of thing. So let's just see, do I have this one on slow? Do I have this one on slow? Where is it?

[01:26:07] Oh, it's 1. 30 and guess what? Um, I'm supposed to be doing my push ups. Don't let me forget to do my push ups when we go to teas, okay? So, yes. Everybody's saying no foul play on. Okay. So just to go through it very quickly. Again, no shade. But I do want to point out that when you are looking over your shoulder, and you're running away from the play, you are not going to have the best ability to make an accurate decision.

[01:26:48] He does make the right decision, but he puts himself in a tough spot. It narrows your view. And if you are moving at this point, you're going to be activated. Your hormone levels are going to be high, all that kind of stuff. Much better for you to actually already be in your happy place and to be facing this way and looking at the play and welcoming it coming towards you.

[01:27:11] Mission control position. Yes. Mission critical positioning every day, all day. Of the week. So let me just slow this down really, really carefully. Okay, so he's still kind of getting himself around. Ball is here.

[01:27:33] Okay. Ball is good. And what we're looking for is the goalkeeper's log. Are they coming through the space that the attacker is in, in the moment? Are they late getting to the attacker? So just a clean tackle of the ball isn't enough. It has to be, are they not moving into the space where the ball isn't, okay?

[01:28:01] So the ball is here, but actually what happens is, it's the player's foot that… Trips on the goalkeeper here, and at this point, the goalkeeper is not moving extraordinarily. He can't expect them to be motionless, but they're pretty darn close. And so it's the attacker's responsibility in this case to be able to run around.

[01:28:30] Because you expect the goalkeeper to go to ground, you expect them to log, they did so. And we're good. Um, do you have time to show and celebrate Neil Smith's goal? Um, I don't know which one this is. Oh! It's the ne uh, yes. It's the next play. It's the next clip. Yeah. It was actually his his kinda elbow shoulder thing?

[01:28:59] Whatever. Taco's with a play on. No, you don't, no, Mbeno, we, we're not, we're not penalizing anything there because it doesn't disadvantage the opposition. It actually gifts them, uh, an opportunity to score an open net other than the goalkeeper goal. And they failed to do it, so you don't. Tom, it's clean. He puts down the block in his lane still.

[01:29:21] There you go. Okay. And the goalkeeper makes a great tackle. Let me take this off, and has the right to stand their ground, meaning they don't have to get out of the way and the attacker cause their own trouble. I'm falling over. Let's see if anybody had time to vote. Oh yeah, 14 of you! Dang! Let's go! 100%.

[01:29:41] That's what I like to see. Okay, last play. This, I think this is what Godders was talking about. This goal off the umpire. So Rajkana alerted me to this, but it's been everywhere ever since. This happened in the university, I believe.

[01:30:14] So, we, this comes up probably once a year on the live streams where the ball goes

[01:30:25] off the, um, off the umpire into the goal. And what I think is interesting about this play, actually, is that you don't see Beeston disputing that the ball has gone off the umpire and should not be a goal. They're fine with that. What actually is the problem here? Oh, that didn't work out very well. Let's see if I can fix this quickly.

[01:30:53] Nope, I won't be able to do that. Let's see if I can do this on the live. This is gonna be a lot harder. As the ball is rocketing across, it's right here.

[01:31:10] I think what they're upset about is the ball going off the attacker's foot there. Which is why. Or, it hits the second attacker as well. Hard to say. So, what's interesting about this play is not the rule that the umpire just doesn't exist in anything that hits them, it's a play on situation. What's interesting is, is there a positional adjustment?

[01:31:39] That you can make that puts you less in danger of this particular play. Let's see if I can do this really quickly. I can! Oh, you can't defeat me. So one of the things that I like to think about when the ball is over on this far side of the field is whether this is a good time for me to be thinking about should I be moving, that's way off the screen, should I be moving into a position where I'm not In this train track,

[01:32:19] because as we play this on, you can see that the ball comes straight across and literally it's, it's, it's, this I think is a potential problem, but it's blurry, it's hard to say, and then this gets blocked out, but the umpire's view, he is right in that train track of all of those things that are happening.

[01:32:48] Can't see that foot, can't see that foot, can't see that back stick, can't see, you know, you're just so anticipating possible lines of the ball, and I think he was actually gonna try to move to flash up a little bit so that he could see back down into this direction. Perhaps.

[01:33:16] Because having a very stationary position, you should always be thinking about… If I move one step to this side, one step to that side, does that give me a better angle on everything that's happening in the play? Uh, how does 10. 2 okay. Sorry, I didn't say that there's a bunch of other comments on this one.

[01:33:39] Uh, yes, so I am on the right place. Yep, we do know this. What is happening to my scene?

[01:33:48] Get this out of the way.

[01:33:54] And… It was almost, it was almost a perfect show. Almost.

[01:34:13] Yep. There's, there's no voting for this one, Tom, because it's obvious this had to be 100 percent on this one. So

[01:34:27] yeah. And just back to the, just so it makes sense when people are watching on replay, I'll just pop back to this to finish up the comments. Sorry, you know, because of the delay that sometimes I think, Oh, that conversation is definitely over. And then In the next 30 seconds, there's like 15 really great comments that I have I I want to include.

[01:34:45] Um, I don't think it's a dive. I I mean, but it it's him. It's it it was his fault. He didn't get up and get really mad that he didn't get the call. He just, you know, didn't. Um, where was this one? There was an imagery. Um, let's see. Did I get everything?

[01:35:08] Yeah. Okay. So back to this replay. Um, yep. All there, all there. Valid goal, sadly. Umpire reflexes are so important. Yeah. Um, oh, he was a keeper in a previous life. Yeah, I never have problem getting out of the way of the ball. Unless it's like shot directly at me from a close range, I'm like, ah, I'm out of here.

[01:35:34] Bye. Even when I'm a defender. Yeah, I know. Isn't it good? Isn't it good? Yes. Very much technical difficulties. He once had an umpire blow for his own foot in the middle of the field. Gave me the ball. Ugh. Ugh. Yeah, that's, that's a groan. That's sads. That's very sads. That's when you do this one.

[01:36:09] Does a pommel. Okay, so, always learning moments in these things, but sometimes, and probably in this case, cannot. Possibly be helped. Thank you everybody for joining in. I'm only 10 minutes late on this one. And. Other than not understanding rule 9.14, I'm never gonna forget that now. Luke Dawkin is gonna hold that over my head for the rest of my life, I bet.

[01:36:42] Um, yeah, good times, and we have some busy times coming up on the international calendar. Everything is pending what is gonna be broadcast, but we do have the Pan Am Games, um, and we've got African Olympic qualifiers coming up, and one other tournament in the Asian. Uh, Federation. So, it's nut bar, um, after this week.

[01:37:10] Pan Am Games start on the 25th, so we will be back to having lots of live watch parties. Hopefully, if timing, I mean, timing is going to be great for me. Not going to be so great for everybody else in the world, um, but hopefully some other things that we can show, and you're very welcome. I'm glad it was good.

[01:37:31] There you go. How's the UK rule on crowding the umpire seems like a lot during this clip? Yeah, I mean, think about it this way, Tom. When you have had the ball hit you and go into the goal, you kind of feel like shit. So, I think you're anxious to communicate with the players, and you're going to be a lot more generous in that situation than you would if you'd just made…

[01:37:57] You know, your 99. 5 percent of the time kind of decision. And, I think, also in that moment, he's being asked about other feet, but it's his foot, and there's gonna be a lot of confusion. About, you know, why and what, and what are they yelling at, and nobody's understanding each other, and all that kind of thing, so.

[01:38:20] I, I see your point, but also we can recognize and empathize with everybody in this situation, that it sucks. And it's probably not gonna be very strict about that, unless things really do cross over the lines, so. There you go, glad it helped, and uh, gracias, Rodrigo. Um, mi nuevo amigo, and we will see you hopefully next week, good to have you, and you respect me.

[01:38:49] I expect nothing. I, I expect nothing. There you go, Richard. Hey, no problem. That's why there's a replay squad. We love it. Okay, enjoy your, the rest of your hockey week and your hockey weekend coming up. For those of you in Europe, your seasons are going. Australia, you're entering indoor season, so we're going to start talking about indoor.

[01:39:09] Yay, sure. Coming up very shortly. So, thanks for joining in. See you next time.

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