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We're back, baby! It's a European Championship Qualifier episode as we apply the RDI carding framework with breakdown tackles, 5m infringements, and captains' responsibilities. There's a nice third-party obstruction, an IG tackle and yep: a facemask striking an umpire.
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0:00 Chair Dancing
00:05:21 Topics!
00:08:11 1a. Cards and RDI: CZEvTUR (M) #EHCQ2024
00:19:11 1b. Cards and RDI: CZEvTUR (M) #EHCQ2024
00:24:10 1c. Cards and RDI: AUTvPOR SF2 (M) #EHCQ2024
00:29:56 1d. Cards and RDI: AUTvPOR SF2 (M) #EHCQ2024
00:48:19 2a. Third-Party Obstruction: SCOvWAL Final (W) #EHCQ2024
00:53:42 3. Attacker or Defender Foul On Tackle: @hockeynl IG
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01 Main Mic
Keely: Good day to you all. Happy What Up Wednesday. Good to see you again. Keely Dunn, FHumpires. You're the third team. And it's been a long time. It's been a long time since I stepped to No, wait. How did the lyrics go?
Anyway, I was thinking Aaliyah, Timbaland, you know. And if I start singing, I'll get a copyright strike. So, I'm not gonna do it. It's good to see you. It's nice to be back. We actually took, it was a whole month away from YouTube live streaming because of the Olympics. Not that we didn't stream, so inside the Discord we did wrap ups, six days of What Up Paris inside the Discord stream, and if you are a third team member, green or yellow, you can access those replays.
If you're thinking, oh my god, what did Keely say about the Olympics? I need to know everything, go sign up. Go sign up for green or yellow and you're going to be there. But I'm going to talk about that in a little bit longer. Uh, happy early birthday Ian. Congratulations on making it through another rotation.
It's fabulous to still have you around and I'm glad that you're enjoying your night. And Samantha's here. Good to have you. Oh boy. Oh boy. It's just, it's just that thing that happens where everything goes wrong because it's been a long time. I shouldn't have left you without a dope beat to step to. God, why did it take me that long to figure that out?
Flippin I'm flipping. Tom's here. Nice to, nice to have you. That's great. And Viv. Okay, so one thing that I did during the What Up Paris episodes is confine it to an hour, more or less, and I got a lot of positive feedback about that, which means that 90 minutes is too long. So I am going to endeavor to make all of the future live streams only an hour long, um, and I will be doing them every second week, so this could be a real challenge, but I'm going to be publishing more recorded videos again.
I haven't published a recorded video for over two years, which is crazy. Um, and Neil, nice to have you. So, That's what I'm going to do in order to be able to answer questions constructively, but also still do live streams and blah, blah, blah. You know, I'm burying my lede or I'm ledeing with my lede because I'm talking about things I was going to talk about later.
Fine topics! Here we go. We're going to talk about cards and RDI, third party, uh, a third party obstruction, a nice and quick one, attack or defend a foul on tackle, and yeah, that's it. And two of those topics all surround action that we saw during the European Hockey Championship Qualifier series. There were four tournaments going on concurrently last week.
Uh, do I, if I'm, I'm probably not pronouncing that right. Vienna, uh, Dublin, and Glasgow? Glasgow? If it's Edinburgh, somebody's gonna kill me.
And, um, those were really interesting format tournaments. I don't know, I can't remember what happened the last time that we had a, uh, a B division qualifier into the A tournament, and how they structured it, but every team played three games, and that's it. They played a quarterfinal, and if they lost their quarterfinal, they were out.
That was it. No chance of qualification. Semi final, and then a final. And the winner in each of those four locations, two of the men's tournaments, two women's, would qualify for the A Division. And then I think the bottom team from each would get relegated into the C Division. So, they were really They were really interesting.
Everybody's getting glitches, and I wonder, um, hopefully,
hopefully this is, um, I don't have my ethernet connection hooked up. I am using Wi Fi, which is probably why there's an issue, and I'm doing that because everything's packed up. Everything's packed up because I'm leaving. I'm gonna talk about that later, yet again. Um, let's see. If I'm going to just open up my YouTube studio and see what the situation is.
I did get a warning that I was getting. Um, I was getting stepped down. Stream health is good, but not great.
This makes me nervous. Let's see how we do. Let's see how we do. And if it's intolerable, I'll know that there's another good reason why I shouldn't do a lot of live streaming from the UK, because it's going to be hard for me to get good wifi and good Ethernet. There. Hi, William. Okay. First topic. Let's go.
It's a big one because we're going to do a few clips. Talking about cards and RDI.
I'm still dancing. Okay, so this, I have two clips from this match, uh, talking about breakdowns and cards within the context of a framework that I came up with a little while ago that I'm not gonna lie, I'm a huge fan of. I think it's amazing, I think it really makes carding decisions. Um, much more predictable, and gives it a real structure around which you can basically kind of like a choose your adventure, turn to this page and you get to this result sort of decision making process.
And let's face it, isn't that what we all want in our lives? And I brought out this clip for two reasons. First of all, I thought it was really fun that the commentator was like, wonderful tackle, Wonderful tackle. I mean, the Turkish defender definitely got the ball. But was it a wonderful tackle? I'd like to hear from you.
There is a poll in the Discord that I'd like you to go and answer and let me know what you thought. Up until this point in the game, there had not been another card. So we are, um, sorry, my, my noggin's in the way. Oops, I better move myself over here. So we're at Q3. 6, 630, which is a decent way to get through this game without a card, that's for sure.
And, um, yeah, Rachel, that's not probably gonna be you, that's gonna be, um, on the YouTube side of things. It's giving me an error and a warning.
I don't know if I can change this. I can't change it once it, once it's in, um, once it's in flow.
Unfortunately. And Murph, that's how they tackle in Turkey. Well, I mean, let's face it, this is not the first time we've seen tackles like this, so we don't have to attribute that all to just one region or group of players, but it is a interesting, uh, tackle for sure. So please feed me your thoughts before I start answering the question here.
And wait, wait, I have a Wait, Frances, I have, I have
I hope that wasn't too loud. It is great to have you. Where are you from, Francis? Let me know. Um, and let's see. Better now, better now. There you go. Okay. So for me, as I was watching this tackle, some of the pieces that I put together. We're first of all, how did the play unfold? Turkey has given away the ball in the middle of the field down the center.
This is a high danger situation for Turkey. There is a lot of space in front of that Czechia attacker. A lot of options for him. And especially with the very clever running from the center forward, coming through over top into the space over on the left, he's created a real big opening. We'll for that ball carrier to head into.
So this is high risk at this point. He's also got overlapping attackers coming from the right. So as you're making this calculation in your head, you're thinking about what is the impact if this should be a foul. So you should be reading this. as it's happening. And then the next thing that we want to look at is the position that the defender starts from.
Now, the defender does start from in front of the ball carrier. So when we look at breakdown tackles, we often see them coming from a chasing defender who's got no business trying to attempt that tackle and is highly unlikely to succeed. They may, they may, and in which case, it's play on there so far, but if they happen to not the um, make a clean tackle, then we're going to look at that, and we're going to impute that that was a highly, highly likely to break down the play.
And then we're stepping in with our interventions, because we want to encourage flowing, skillful, and safe play.
We've got a high impact situation. We have a defender who starts off in a decent situation, but where do we get to when he makes this tackle? So let's see if I can, I got my, my handy iPad. So I'm going to go to this.
and try to zoom in. Now, unfortunately, the quality of the broadcasts are a little lower than what I'm used to, and particularly, pardon me, because there was only one camera in a lot of the, um, in, in a lot of the venues. So the most important things are happening at either end of the pitch for us, especially where we don't have, um, a very good view.
But as we unfold this tackle Remember, it's not enough just to get the ball, but the tackle has to be made without bodily contact. And we're not saying that you can't touch the other player. That's not, you know, that's not what we're looking for. But we're looking for body contact that impacts the player's ability to continue playing.
And this much body contact here, for me, qualifies as being a breakdown play. And it's quite physical. It takes down that body, that ball carrier in the process. Takes them down to the ground. Now, does that mean that we're going, we're jumping into a 10 minute yellow card situation? No, no, no. Absolutely not.
That's, that's not what we're doing here. But, it is worth looking at everything else. Aw, Frances, thank you. That is beautiful to hear, and I really appreciate that. Um, okay. So, when you put together the level of physicality, the high impact of this play, In terms of what it takes away in this moment, and the fact that we're in Q3, 633, and sure the scoreline isn't close here, but we've gotten far enough along in the game that the players should be well settled as to what is expected in terms of the way in which they approach the tackles.
Let me know what you think. would have happened. And yes, there was body contact well before the stick movement close to the ball. So it was late, it was behind, and caused a lot of body contact. For me, when I look at this, this is an easy, simple, yellow, five minute yellow card that sort of stands alone. We could see other breakdown tackles that are less physical and less impactful, again, as we get further into it.
But we have the danger and the impact. The D and the I of the RDI, but no repetition, but because of the two higher qualities of the D and the I, we can go straight to a yellow card. That's what I see there, and it's a yellow card also for Godders. Um, that much body contact I'd be expecting dinner first.
Uh, don't threaten me with a good time. Absolutely. Okay, so I'm gonna head over to the poll and see how we're doing with that, and Oh my god, you guys, it's live right from the start! What happened? I might have terrible bitrate, but this is working out for me. Uh oh.
It looks like my bitrate is lower. Now we're back. Okay. I could see that I was frozen, and I'm like, should I stop talking at this point? Or should I not? Okay. It looks like you guys are going to be quite a bit behind. 740.
I don't know what that means. Anyway, here's the poll, friends. Did anybody vote in the poll? Did nobody vote in the poll? Ah! I was like, wait a minute. How come there's like zero, zero, zero? Everybody voted D? Oh my god, you guys. Yes. Pre hit attack and a five minute yellow card. Absolutely love that. And so I hope that by going through it step by step and breaking it down, that made it quite clear for everybody, if you weren't sure and if you hadn't voted yet, why we get to that process.
And the reason that we do this, that we step through and we really have a look at All of those things as we're trying to build the habit and the neural pathways so that when we have to make the decision in the moment, we are reading the things that we need to read to beforehand, and then it gets us to our decision much more quickly, and we're prepared for it should that tackle come in illegally.
Fantastic, everybody. Okay, let's, let's go on to our next one, and this happened just a little bit later in the same game.
I don't know why sometimes I decide to slip in the sound. And then sometimes I don't. It's probably if I'm lazy or not.
Okay. So now we have A 5 meter infringement by the opposite team, by Czechia. And this is also their first card in the game at this point. And this one is pretty cut and dry. The first player, the one who fouls, backs off well to 5 meters and that's why it's even more apparent that the second player, when they step in, they are within the 5 meters and although the ball doesn't hit them in the foot.
It completely goes off their stick. It absolutely is an infringement. And there's a few things that I want to point out as we're looking at this one. And let me pull up the media here.
I'm ready.
This is where I want to head. Okay, so here, he's not the foul. He's the last player to touch the ball. So he's the last player and he's going to back off quite nicely. And then this is a pathway that you often see defenders taking. They might even, if 28 was here and if they were closer, they might be running into the hotline of the ball and then running backwards.
We see that quite often with players. They think they're being very clever, but That is something that we need to make sure that we deal with. It may be that you can play on an advantage, and then there's a good time for a warning that comes after that. But if they do affect the play, then you're going to want to deal with that.
So here's the player who is within 5, and this 10. It's a little deceptive looking, because there is a little bit of a flattening of this angle, but I don't think there's much question that there, that that's there. And what I love, what I love about this situation is an illustration of what I would call a static interior position.
When the teams are attacking your circle here, and if you've gotten nice and ahead of the play. You should be, with mission critical positioning, taking this nice interior positioning here, and look at the lane that the umpire has in order to see this play. It is very important. Perfect. Sometimes what you'll see are umpires who might be more here.
Some umpires think that this is interior positioning, but they're in the train tracks of the play, and then their natural instinct is to move outside, say, oh, I can't see. I'm gonna go to the left. And Mike McDowell came up with this a while back and he said, when down step right. And so instead of stepping left, step into the right, into your right, obviously it's your left, and then you've got the chance to see everything nice and clearly, and you are closer to where all the big stuff happens.
The result in this intervention, as it turned out to be, it was a Just a green card. It's a relatively low impact situation. It's, there's no repetition in it, and there's no danger in it. So, going to a green card in this is super nice and happy. Oh, okay, well this isn't me then. If you're getting blue screens of death, I am zero, like, accountable for this.
My problem is in my bitrate, but your blue screen of death is all about you. Let's have a look at the poll and see how you all saw this. And three of you agree, but it's unanimous! Hang on. It's absolutely unanimous! 100%! Got it! Right! I love it!
Okay, let's move to a different game where we can kind of step through a few different issues. This is what I wanted to get to.
So you're not going to quite see it on the replay so much, but you will see it here as the mask comes flinging away and oof, oops, I'm in the way, hits Yaku right in the chest area in the upper midriff y area. Place.
I hope everybody saw that. Okay. Right there. So, this is the semi final in Austria, and this, we're at the end of quarter one, and there have been no other cards up until this point. Now, the, the penalty for hitting an umpire with a face mask with discarded penalty corner equipment is prescribed. Where is it prescribed?
Sorry, they haven't put it in writing yet. Hopefully it's going to make it into, uh, an FH briefing. somewhere. Hopefully it'll, it'll just end up being in this part, but we covered an incident, one of the first times it happened in Pro League, um, where Catalina Wenzel of Chile got hit in the face and cut open with a face mask and, and, uh, Tyler Klink, I think, had to come in for her.
I can't remember which, which umpire came in. Bruce, Bruce Bale. And, uh, It was, um, at that moment, they didn't know what to do. What's really interesting about the face mask rule is that it is actually the only, the only foul that I can see that is not something that affects the opposition. It is not a disadvantage to the opposition, it actually just affects the umpire or somebody else on the pitch.
So when we get to this, okay, this is 9 16 here. Players must not throw any object or piece of equipment onto the field or at another player, umpire, or person. I don't know why umpires aren't included in persons, but let's, let's just, let's just Let's just leave that aside for a second. So, this makes it unusual.
Because every team penalty we award generally puts back some disadvantage that's been illegally foisted upon the opposing team. And we're like, oh no, we're gonna reset that. That's not fair, so we're going to give you the ball. We're going to give you a penalty corner, we're going to give you a penalty stroke.
And this is a significant penalty because it requires that another penalty corner is awarded. Not only that, but the prescribed personal penalty for this action is to be a five minute yellow card every time. So if that's the first time that you've seen this, then, um, congratulations. You now know exactly what you need to do.
You can also see when you're watching the replay, is that, is that the ball is in play in that moment and it's actually bounced outside the circle and Jakub awards the penalty corner. So this is not a situation where he's going to play advantage or he's going to wait. It's simply to re award that penalty corner immediately.
And the Portuguese defenders, like, He doesn't, he doesn't get it, um, but I'm not sure why not. because there's live streams that explain it to you on a regular basis. So that's how that goes. I'll just pop into the poll, but I don't know if, uh, let's see. So one person voted for the play on with the five minute yellow card.
The, the penalty corner needs to be awarded. It's not just a personal penalty against the player. It is that, um, it is that team penalty as well.
And let's just see here. I gotta get to the right screen so I can put people's comments up. Um, not sure why the defender discarded the point he did. Well, yeah, I mean, it's hard for us to know, but given how much their visibility is limited when they're wearing the masks, I would get mine off right away too.
But that's because I'm crazy. And also I don't play post. All those things are true. Okay. And let's see if this gets us to the right one. So this is the same game, and this is the start of Q2 after that yellow card has been awarded. Whenever you see a conversation like this, you know
Between an umpire and the technical officer, we got a too many players on the pitch problem. So, I can't remember if there was commentary on the live version of this, but you can put all those pieces together. And then we have this. So the captain has already taken a yellow card for the too many players on the pitch.
And now, he's been given a green card for dissent.
And, and he's super happy as he's walking off the pitch. This is late in Q4, and unfortunately we don't, because of the direction, we don't have it immediately on the screen, but foul's awarded, big whistle comes from the other side of the pitch,
and we'll see in a second, there's the captain running off the pitch again. Okay, so I'm going to show you how that played out in terms of this. Okay, so this is the TMS.
from the match, and you can see that the player who discarded the face mask took the, uh, was awarded the five minute YOLO card. At the 14th minute, so right at the end of the first quarter, and then, uh, the captain of Portugal, and here's from the, the match lineup so you can see it. The captain took, at 16 minutes, the 5 minute yellow card for having too many players on the pitch.
I'm not saying, just as a little side, that you would give a 5 minute yellow card for having too many players on the pitch at your level of play. The teams are held to a higher standard at international play. They have three members of staff who are on the bench, and they have a manager who is specifically responsible for making sure that the right number of players are on the pitch, that they're properly equipped in their uniforms, uh, meet specifications, that they don't carry iPads back to the goals, um, Uh, in a shootout, and all these other things, right?
Managers are responsible for that sort of thing. So, what is an automatic five minute yellow card at international level is not going to be That, at our level, it might even just be a warning, it might be a green cart to the captain at that point. That's off to, uh, um, that's off to you. But what is interesting about this situation is, as you can see, we have the same player who's gone from a yellow to a green.
Two, and they're the wrong way around, I think, because of alphabetical order, but he takes a yellow card, he takes a second yellow card, and then that equals a red card under the TMS. Now, I don't have the full information because we didn't see exactly what happened on the pitch, but given that it was a simple foul called against Portugal And then the loud whistle came after, I'm gonna guess it was descent, and that meant that the player, um, was then given the yellow, and that's the second yellow of the game, so it goes to the red.
So let's look at what this means. means in terms of, let's get this off. So this is what RDI looks like in terms of a nice little chart. So I've talked, um, we've, we've talked about the three conditions and this is what, how you would apply it in the quote unquote neutral zone if that's an okay term to use.
Nobody's yelled at me for using that. That's a very ice hockey term, but I don't know what else to call it. Um, the middle of the pitch outside the 23s. But that's too many, that's too many words. Neutral zone. So you can compare that, you get sort of an extra step, uh, in when you have the team penalty available to you because you have that extra hammer.
Now, what I was interested in when I looked at this, and a lot of people ask me about, well, what do you do when a captain is involved? And so I came up with this very Confusing crap. I don't know if this I would love some feedback on this. I am not a very good visual designer. I know what I'd like things to look like, and then I am not necessarily able to execute on that.
But What we have in here is a breakdown, hopefully, that sort of helps you consider what we do with repetitious cards, whether it's the same player getting multiple cards, it's the same team getting multiple cards, it's the opposing team, and so there are cards given, the same card given, or different cards given for both teams, and then the captain, which is a completely different set of things.
So,
under common practice, the same player should not ever be able to receive two green cards in a match, unless they're acting as a captain. So unless that green card is in the category of captain's responsibilities, They should not be able to see two green cards. That should be the second green card should just be a yellow.
They could potentially receive two yellow cards from different categories, and I've just got a little, um, a little explanation down here with what I believe the different categories are. And if you're gonna say, well, a stick obstruction is different than a body obstruction, No, those are both breakdown fouls.
Those are actions on the ball that physically stop a player from doing good hockey. And that is one category of event. On the ball fouls. And then there are play misconduct, uh, actions. Playing the ball after the whistle, time wasting, five meter infringements. That's another category. That's just, that still interferes with good play.
But it's not. As the play is on, it's, it's as the play is, is being set up, or just about to. And then there is match, a match misconduct sort of category, which is basically dissent, and it can be many, many types of expressions of dissent. And then captain's responsibilities, substitutions, Team conduct, um, being late to come back out on the pitch to restart the match, that sort of thing.
If I've missed anything in there, or if you have any questions about how those sort of work, and maybe I've miscategorized something, please do let me know. Um, so, uh, Murph, uh, descent and then a stick obstruction, couldn't green for each? No.
No. Because the same player at that point. That player has already been put on notice and the green card is not much of a, um, is not much of a foul. And then, but when we step up to the yellow card, that's when we may, we may, and that's why I have shrug emoji in there. To me, no. If a player's already received a yellow card for one category of offense, they receive another yellow card, they, that should be upgraded to a red.
Because again, they've already spent five minutes of a match off the pitch understanding that they have done something. that either was a repeated offense by somebody, it was dangerous, impactful, some kind of combination of those things, and it affected the game to a significant degree. So their continued participation in the game when they do something else that has that much effect, and there's been that much going on in the game, and we've gotten to later stages of the game.
Should they be able to partake in that match anyway, for the safety of everybody else on the pitch?
So, the criterion, the way we apply it changes when we get to when the same team has committed that. So, a team that commits, Two different categories of offences could go, if it's a green or a yellow, it could go back down to a green or a green could go up to a yellow or it could be a green and a green, like it's, it's all those sort of things because it depends on the danger and impact.
that comes in there again. When we get to the second yellow for that team for a different category, we can go to another yellow card. It can stay the same, but if it's a second yellow card for the same offense, it should be a greater penalty. It should be the 10 minute yellow card. Opposing teams, generally we like to treat isolated as different because what they've done is they've impacted the other team.
It's like a ledger on each side. Um, you cheated that way, you cheated that way, you cheated and you take a little tally on that. What tends to happen though is as we march through the game we start to create, we start to get into the situation where there's more impact and so things naturally step up.
The captain then is separate. And what is interesting here, as I realize I'm looking at my graphic and I'm thinking, I don't think I got, I don't think I got that right, but we can talk about this, is that captains can receive sort of a different stream of cards. They can take a green or a yellow for their captain's responsibilities, and then can take a green or yellow for their own individual actions, which is like what we saw in, uh, in that sequence of events.
But then, in this game, and there's two possibilities, there's two possibilities because we didn't see it, is that the second, the yellow card that the captain took, was considered to be, it doesn't matter, it's two yellow cards, you should know better, that's going to go to a red. Or it could have been that the player was given a yellow card, came off the pitch, and then engaged in further misconduct, and a red card was awarded because of that.
Okay? So that's possible. But I'm interested in hearing if you have any thoughts on that, either way. Because again, it sort of goes back to the same player thing. You can understand separating out the greens and the yellows, like, at the green level of things, but as soon as you get into more yellow cards, players should understand that they, they, they have to fall in line, and they have to play within the boundaries of the game.
Let me know what you think about that. And I'll, I'll put up the, nope, that's not the, that's not the right B play at all. So I'll just put that up for a little bit.
Okay. Any questions on that? It's quiet in the chat today.
There's quite a few of you here, but it's still very quiet. Okay.
It's not often that I can show a series of clips that shows how that all fits together. So that was quite, uh, an interesting, an interesting sequence for me. Okay. All right, moving on to, I guess, announcements and things like that. Something that I wanted to share or warn you about, what you know about, is that October 1st, where are my right screens?
October 1st, Mission Critical Positioning is gonna is going to go, um, up in price. It's going up to 47 from 37. So if you've been on the fence, you've been thinking about, oh, I, I'm, you know, this is probably a good thing to take, but I'm going to wait until later. Don't wait until later. Get it now. Get it now.
This is a forever course. You take it once and every upgrade that I make to it, and I am working right now on filming some. new material to add some things that I've learned in the last two years about how I would approach a few things a little bit differently. You get access to all that forever. Until I stop doing this stuff.
I don't know when that's going to happen. Um, so this is the right time to get on board and also in line with that is that yellow memberships are going to go up to 47 a month. So I know that sounds like a big investment and it is. It is an investment. It's an investment in you and in your umpiring. But for those of you who are in yellow and you do regular debriefs with me, I think you understand how much time that we put in together to go through your matches on video that you provide to me.
And it doesn't have to be beautiful recordings. It can be one of those automatic AI things. It can be somebody holding up an iPad from one end of the pitch. They look like Um, what's that movie? Where the guy's holding the ghetto blaster above his head? Anyway, there's a lot of ways that you can obtain video and it doesn't have to be fantastic, it just has to be something that I can see and we can move up from there, but I think you can all appreciate just how much time we put into it and it allows me to give you that individual attention with everybody else participating in the debriefs that I think really Um, your journey and the things that you're learning and putting into practice for umpiring.
So, v If that is not, you know, in your budget or in your time commitment right now, hey, we've got green and green is going to stay at 17 a month. That still gives you access to clip libraries. It gives you access to the watch parties. It gives you access to watching debriefs. So you don't get your own matches debrief, but you get to join in along with other of the yellow people and you get to observe the coaching in action.
So that is all. In, in the process. Um, thank you! You liked the card matrix. You have decided, that's good to know. Um, I'm, I still have a lot to Suss out with it. Um, as you saw, I wasn't happy with the, the, the, the captain thing because I'm not sure, maybe not every, uh, umpire would handle it that way and that's why I wanted a little bit of feedback on it.
Visually, I need some help with how to Do that. Um, yeah, and that's the other reason, Goddard, is I wanted to make MCP something that people say, you know what, it's the beginning of the season, now's the right time, let's get it done, and then October 1st, we're gonna step up, and everyone's absorbing.
I hope that was All of that was helpful, and I hope the changes to FHU3T offerings were clear. If you have any questions about any of it, like, you can put it in here, you can come into the Discord, you can ask your best friend who's a third team member, um, they might say nice things about it, you never know.
And I would be more than happy to, to, yeah, get you on board with that. Okay, right, um Third parties. Somebody recently in the server asked me about third party obstruction examples,
and it's right there in case you weren't sure exactly where it's happening.
Third parties, at the level that I'm usually showing, um, on these clips and things, they're, they're not as common because teams are just, they're used to playing together, they have more, uh, experience at at working together as a unit, so they don't tend to cross each other's paths in a way that disadvantages a defending team.
But what I wanted to just have a really quick chat about, there is no poll for this, because it's, it's a third party, it's pretty clear, is the question was, well I struggle with third parties, I hear this a lot, I struggle with third parties, I don't know. how to recognize them, I don't know how to call them.
And a third party obstruction is just like a stick obstruction is just like a body obstruction. It's very similar in how you need to approach it tactically, and that is that instead of watching the ball carrier, which we would do, so if we're watching this in motion right here, Our temptation is we're going to say, Oh, Oh, look, look at the, look at the ball.
I wonder if she's going to put it off her foot. I wonder if she's going to use her back stick. I wonder, I wonder, I wonder. And we get very narrow and we're focused down on the ball. What you want to think about is shifting your focus to the defender, and as soon as you do that, you see that this defender suddenly can't reach the ball.
I had a, I had a freeze there, okay? And so, you would do that, you would go through the same process when you're trying to diagnose, like any time two players, players are coming into contact, as I describe it, and one carry, one, one player is the ball carrier. And you have a defender. As soon as that is impending, shift your focus to the defender.
And have a look at what they are doing. And whether, for some reason, there is a stick that reaches out into their way and stops them from hitting, getting to the ball, that, uh, a foot, a leg, a body, a butt gets in their way, or if a teammate of that ball carrier gets in the way and prevents the tackle from coming in.
You need a broader vision and you need that shifted focus. And the broader your vision is, the easier it is. to shift. If you're very close to the play and you're very narrow, you kind of have to go bang, bang like that and that is more challenging. Anytime you move your head or you're shifting, your focus entirely from one little picture over here to another little picture over here, that's challenging.
But if you're a little bit, even sometimes two steps back can make all the difference,
can make all the difference for you, then you need to, um, if you take those two steps back, all of a sudden your shift of focus is, is bigger and it's like this to this. And it's this to this. And that's a lot easier for your eyes to track, for your brain to understand that it doesn't have a whole new set of pictures.
That are disconnected to process, that there's just a little bit of perspective change, okay? Um, well, Murph, that's because your priorities are in the wrong place, sir. Because you're playing again.
Fabulous! All right, our last topic today. What? Oh, hang on. We're not going to our last topic because Godders has a comment. The key for you is the player obstructed attempting to play the ball prevented from getting the position to influence play. Yes. And when you are watching them and you're seeing how they are affected by the thing that is in their way, you can then assess disadvantage.
But if you're focused on the ball entirely, then you're more likely going to be guessing. That's on that. So you, you're not just looking at there being the existence of a stick or a butt or, uh, a teammate of the ball carrier in the way. You have to see that they're not able to do the thing that you would expect them to be able to do because of that action.
Okay. Good point. I love it. Okay. Let's go. Topic three. I'm going to make it an hour. Ah, this was on the Instagrams. And sorry, this is, again, very quiet. I'm missing a lot of music here. This was, uh, a Hockey NL Instagram reel that was pointed out, uh, to us on the server, so thank you very much to whoever it was that posted it.
I can't remember now. And we had a fulsome discussion in Ask FHU, and if you haven't joined the Discord server yet, you need to do that. FHumpires. com forward slash D S Discord server. And we would love to see you in there, uh, because it's where we can have, you know, more fulsome discussions on all of this.
And, um, we also post a lot of GIFs. GIFs are fun. Yes. FHumpires. And that's a great point as well. Goddard's standing still and scanning. Early if you understand. Yep, you can do all these things earlier. Oh, Mabeno. What is the correct way to signal the third party obstruction? Um, uh, you were told your signal looks as though you're showing the player that the player's is I don't know what that means, but a third party obstruction is just that, and if you have to do it a couple times, you can.
You don't want to end up doing like, Jesse, you know, just, just, okay? So a body obstruction would be signaled that way, and a third party obstruction, you would add the movement, okay? Um, I've heard a colloquial called crossing. But I don't like that term because players can cross all the time without it actually being an obstruction.
So let's just call it what it is. Hope that helps. Right, so this is There's a recurring theme in some of the clips that we've seen about tackling where We're unsure as to whether a defender has reached the space or not and if they're entitled to be in that space or if they're moving into the attacker's running lane.
So let me know which of these that you think it is. Now, I hate that this is a vertical and very narrow view. We can see everything that happens, but we only capture the action a couple of seconds before contact, and we don't really see how the player's moving on the pitch, and we're at a really unusual angle as well, in terms of assessing that, because we're quite low.
Now that's probably, that low angle is probably where we'd be in terms of being an umpire on the pitch, but in terms of seeing this as an observer, we're missing all of the cues from the bigger space that a more broad picture would afford to us. So not a big fan of that, but this is what I'm seeing. And let me see if I can pull up my,
okay. Oops.
Okay.
So for me, As I begin to play this clip, I see the defender getting to their space and occupying it well. And again, just like with a third party obstruction, I'm going to focus on the defender and where are they positioned? What is their body shape? Do they have their stick low? Is it coming through and swinging at the ball?
Are they mainly, mostly, almost entirely or entirely stationary? Are they in that space? before or as the tackle is being made and it's possible in this moment that the, um, that the defender gets a stick on this or the ball could have been passed just over it. It's really hard to see, but there's nothing wrong with this entire attempt at the tackle.
There is no swing coming through. He's not moving into the space. And then the attacker attempts to jump over the stick, but jumps into the space of the defender and keeps coming in. And, I mean, this attacker is a fairly significantly built individual. They probably have a few kilos on their, uh, their counterpart there.
And The, the, the impact of that collision puts the defender quite easily to the ground. So, I would love to hear what you all think of that. You're very welcome with that. I am happy to help. I hope that was a, that was good. And let's see, I'm just waiting for Goddard's comment to come up.
Yeah, and Goddard's, I agree, the defender does look set at the point that they are making the tackle. I agree. Lock, overlay. Okay? In which case, If that is the consensus that we have, and it's, it's a lot easier for us to see when we slow it down and that sort of thing, but even, even just instinctively, you don't see the defender moving to the right on the, you know, where the attacker is going.
The, the defender simply straightens up a little bit and unfortunately that puts him on his heels, which makes it even easier for him to, uh, to get knocked over.
Let's go back to this. So the question is, what do we do after that? Is there a disadvantage to the maroon team because of their defender getting knocked over like this? I believe yes. It's, the narrow view doesn't help us see all the things emerging, but that player would have normally been able to recover and continue potentially marking that player who could have been available for a pass and that sort of thing, so there is a disadvantage in that.
And for Biv, set in stationary and a low stick for you. I agree. So, pre hit defense. Do we need to do anything else in this situation? Does this warrant a personal penalty? No. So we can apply RDI in this case. We have no idea about repetition. We have no idea what the score is. We don't know what the time of the game is.
We don't know what's happened before that. So we don't have that, uh, available to us. Is this particularly, I mean, when we look at impact, we're looking at impact in terms of defending teams, stopping attacking teams from doing something good. So was this, so we don't look at impact in terms of attacker foul.
Really, it doesn't make sense in that rubric. And that's an interesting point that I'm gonna have to make a note on and think about how I describe RDI in the future on that. So is this particularly dangerous? Now, the, the player, you know, gets turfed. He absolutely, absolutely, uh, eats, eats grass there. And it appears that the attacker's arm, you know, kind of helps out with that.
But, We have to be careful about things that happen in the split second, and players looking as though that they are pushing, and how much we, how much emphasis we, you know, we put on that sort of thing, because players are also defending themselves, and I, it sounds wrong when I say it that way, but That player is also jumping in the air, trying to get over the stick, and he's looking for a little bit of leverage so that he can leap around that player.
So the push isn't necessarily full force, I'm going to push this player to the ground, it's also, I want to push myself off so I can get around to the left of this player. So, for me, I don't think that this is necessarily something that on its own requires a 5 minute yellow card or a 10 minute yellow card.
I think this is a, an easy 2 minute green card and the free hit. Um, Samantha, can I show Slow Mo? Um, ye, okay, so, I did address all that, but let's, Let's go to this so that you can, you can see how it looks.
Okay, there's definite contact and there's definite movement, there's a definite push, but is there anything else that, that requires, that requires more in there? For me it's, yeah, it's a little bit of a push, but everything looks more because of the quickness of the situation. The two players are reacting, the room player is standing up a little bit, so he's off balance.
And on his heels, and so There's a little bit of that informing the entire collision as well. So for me, nothing more than a green card is needed in that. Um, Benno, let's go to your comment here. What if we were allowed play on and then card the attacker for this after the ball play type of misconduct? I think that there's enough of a disadvantage here in the team context because that player is taken out from being able to continue.
So there is a disadvantage to the continuation of this. If that had happened Let's say that player was not the ball carrier and they had just somehow come into a collision and that was further away from the ball, that's when you have that possibility there that you could play on and then you could card that.
And I want to couch all of that to, if I saw this in a broad, in a regular, you know, 19×6, um, sort of landscape view, I might feel differently, okay? And I've, this has happened to me enough times that I'm willing to say, I'm not entirely sure, but that's what it appears to me from this narrow, twisted viewpoint.
Um, yeah, and the only one, yeah, and I'm just trying to, trying to give some guidelines as to the way that we're going to push this. Now, if this game has been high temper. and has been physical and there have been previous incidents that maybe should have been dealt with or that were dealt with, that changes everything because now we have repetition and we have a climate.
This could be the first thing that's happened.
And there you go, that's a green card for you and Mr. Dyerberg, off to work. Thank you for joining in. Okay, I'm just going to pop into the poll and see where everybody else is at. And. Two of you believe it's also a free hit defense and a green card, so thank you very much. All right, I almost stuck to an hour, it's pretty close, but I did want to let you know, just sort of as I let in at the beginning, that I am going to be a little, I'm going to be live streaming less frequently, but I'm going to be pushing out a video at this time, at the noon time, every week, because A lot of people show up and they're like, where's my video?
So I'm going to give you something. It just may not be a live stream every week. As I start to tour the UK for the next three months and I continue on my travels for my one year work abroad program, I'm not entirely sure how Internet's going to work, whether I've got good facilities, because I'm going to be very nomadic, I'm going to be going from place to place, I'm probably going to be in a new place every week, so I want to allow the possibility that what I need to do is to start recording more videos and using those as ways to educate, push things out, which means my editing skills are going to get even better, right?
Even better. Yay. Um, if you have any suggestions of things that you think, here's a topic for Keely that would be really well covered in an 8 minute video, a 15 minute video, please let me know. You can maybe send me an email, you can come into the Discord server, and I would love to hear it. Alistair, liken it to basketball, the defender was set, so it's a charging foul.
It's kind of similar. It has that, I worry about using sports ball analogies, but yes, I think it's pretty cool. And the personal foul, um, and Alistair, I think we get into trouble when we just talk about intent. The whole reason that I use RDI is because it gives you a more solid framework. Instead of just intent.
Because intent is a binary. It is, was it intentional or not? And intent is, an intentional foul can be a green card. It can be a yellow. An intentional foul can But it will be a red sometimes. So that doesn't give us enough to go on. That's why I'm very specific about repetition, danger, impact. When you examine those three factors, you get to exactly what card you should be awarding in any instance.
Okay, so if you go back to earlier, I went through it in quite a lot of detail, so I have, um, I detail that. Yeah, hi Murph, um, I'm touring the UK and other areas of the world, but I'm starting with three months in the UK, so if you want to hear more about that, you better go on the Discord server because I'm already 10 minutes over time.
Thank you! It's going to be fabulous, but yes, we always have the Discord. Thank you for being here today. It was really nice to get back to it and get back on the livestream, even though my setup is a little not optimal. I have to get used to it, right? I don't get to have the gorgeous internet and the beautiful Shure microphone and the Sigma 16mm lens and the Sony ZV 10.
Like, I'm just a regular old livestreamer now. using, using my stuff. And Godders, I can't wait to see you, and thank you very much, and I will do my best to get you some kind of fix. Have a great week, enjoy. Those of you who are in pre season in the UK or getting underway, let's go. Come into the Discord and tell me all about it.
New Zealanders, you're wrapping up. Aussies, I think you're wrapping up. Enjoy, and yes, we will see you around. Thanks very much.
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