Tough Tackles and Ask Me Anything | Field Hockey Umpiring | #WhatUpWednesday Ep. 130

📅 Sep 27 19.00 GMT
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The Hoofdklasse is back is so are IG reels with vertical clips and lots of unverifiable comments! Let's figure out a couple of tackles from HDM v Pinoke together.

Also, I really have been over-preparing for shows lately and want to breathe a bit so how about we do an AMA? Bring your tactical, skill-oriented umpiring questions and we'll share some good info together.

See you there!

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⏱ Chapter Markers:

0:00 Chair Dancing
04:06 Topics!
05:13 1. That HDM v PIN Tackle
45:59 2. The Other HDM v PIN Tackle
01:03:54 3. Not Those Tackles But Also Dutch

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Transcript

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[00:00:00] It's been crazy, just want to be okay. How can I pick up the pieces when everything breaks with every day? I'm getting older. I feel the weight up on my shoulder. I'm strong enough. I will rise above. It's all gonna be okay. If I can be anything, I think I'm going to be me.

[00:00:39] I know I be,

[00:00:50] I think I'm be, I think I'm gonna be,

[00:01:01] I'm gonna be acting. I'm gonna be me. Everything's changing, just trying to navigate. Oh, I keep on believing, I'm gonna find my way. With every day, I'm gonna be okay.

[00:01:23] If I can be anything, I think I'm going to be me.

[00:01:30] I know gonna be me.

[00:01:41] I think I'm be, I think I'm gonna be me.

[00:01:53] I think I'm gonna be me, me, me. I know I gotta be me, me, me. Cause nowhere else I wanna go. No one else I'd rather be. I think I'm gonna, I gonna,

[00:02:39] Hi, welcome to What Up Wednesday. You are the third team. I'm Keely Dunn. This is FHumpires. I'm glad you're along. Glad to have you here. And hopefully I'm going to check in and make sure that all of my audio is working. Wait. If I do a sound effect like this, tell me it works, okay? Cause it's been about, I don't know, 20 shows that I haven't had my ish together.

[00:03:06] Uh, and that, that really just, it's been disappointing. It's been a disappointing series of performances on my part. Look. It's a, it's a thing. It's a thing. Hi Raju, good to see you. And Ribhu is here. Gaurav, I think you're new. So, hi, good to have you. Andrew is here. Hey, Bob, you're not umpiring for a change. All right.

[00:03:32] Well, good to, good to see you then. You're going to join for a while. Go to a gym session. Yeah. Very, very detailed. Thank you very much for telling me all that stuff. We have noise. Yay. This is very exciting. Somebody else is new too, I think. Alexander, if you're not new, whatever, you get DJ air horn anyway.

[00:03:55] Um, I feel like my mic's a little far. Let's try that. Okay. All right. Here's our topics today. It's going to be a short show. She says, cursing herself. Let's do it. We are going to talk about that HDM and Pinoke tackle. And then we're going to talk about the other HDM Pinoke tackle. And then another tackle that was also Dutch, but wasn't HDM and Pinoke.

[00:04:21] And then an AMA. Look, it's really hard to come up with good snappy. Um, topic titles, and sometimes I just goof off. What can I say? Uh, I'm looking forward to, uh, knowing that Boo's around later. Good to have you, Simon as well. And let's see, you're still, oh, Godders. Look, they're a handful, aren't they? They're just, they're just such a handful, the two of them.

[00:04:51] I can, uh, I can feel that one. All right. So. Well, let's get into it. I have some flowers to give out later. I have some, uh, announcements. I have some third team stuff, but we should really just kind of get into the topic, which is friends, this tasty little treat from HDM and Pinochet. I say it like that because I'm so good at pronouncing Dutch things.

[00:05:47] …

[00:05:47] Right. So this was featured on the hockey.nl Instagrams, I believe. And. You would have seen it in vertical aspect, and I… As I'll show you later, I get very frustrated when I see anything that's hockey related that isn't just a, Hey, isn't this dope sort of highlight feature, but is shown in that vertical format because it's really hard to see stuff.

[00:06:16] So I, with the help of, uh, Ellen, who reminded me that icons is, uh, a source for, for these matches, by the way, can I just have a little side rant here? Um, whoever runs the Hoofdklasse, if it's the KNHB, or if it's another sort of private organization in combination with Viaplay, hi, you have the best club league in the world, and if you're outside of the Netherlands, you can't watch it.

[00:06:47] What is up with that? People will pay good money. I will buy a season subscription so that I can watch all of the women's and men's Hoofdklasse matches. And on replay, just like I do with the FIH, just like I do with Eurohockey, why? Why are you shooting yourselves in the foot? So friends, not only can you not use a non Dutch credit card to purchase access to via play, you can't use, you can't be outside of the Netherlands.

[00:07:19] To actually log into the system. So if you try to use a VPN, it says, Oh, no, no, no. Can't use a VPN when you're here, which means that if you're outside of the Netherlands, but you are a Viaplay account holder, you're not going to be able to access content you've paid for. So if you're traveling, blah, blah, blah.

[00:07:36] That's dumb. Okay. Thank you for your indulgence. Here is. A very interesting and difficult decision. And hopefully you've seen the poll by now. I saw it go through. I would like to hear your opinions on this one first. Get them in there because it's not about having the right or wrong answer. It's about exercising your decision making muscles.

[00:08:08] Just like these two individuals on the pitch had to do on that day. All right. What's going on with the, um, so. So I believe, I'm just going to guess, that was my first round of the day. So Mustapha Casseim, I think he might be, uh, number 22. Let's see. I,

[00:08:37] I don't know, but when I looked at the, um, summary on HockeyNL, this particular play was a green card that was given. So he might've been saying two minutes for the green card. And that is also something that we need to know about. Uh, he is 22, so there you go. Just seeing it now. Um, okay, Bob's already got his vote in for blue goes in 10 minute yellow card.

[00:09:16] Okay, Bob, you haven't been around a lot of our What Up Wednesdays. So let me tell you that I'm going to ask for much more rigor applied to the rep- the answers that you give than just saying going in, because going in is not a foul, committing obstruction is a foul, causing dangerous. Foul words, uh, causing danger to your opponents is a foul, using your stick in a dangerous manner is a foul, using your body, uh, making body contact when you're attempting a tackle is a foul.

[00:09:51] Those are fouls. Going in is not a foul. So I'm very, very. So we need to be rigorous on pushing our ability to use language, to express what we see, because that gives us the information we need. Once we have the principles straight, that gives us the facts, and then we can move on to interpreting what we've seen in front of us with good use of language.

[00:10:17] Okay. Because I've noticed that whenever we seem to get a little off track with our decision making, it's because we apply cliches. We'll give out a standard pet phrase that is popular in our area, but doesn't actually reflect anything that either is in front of us in terms of facts, or actually is a principle that guides us meaningfully to make a correct decision.

[00:10:46] Okay. So that's what I push everybody towards. And this is why I love bringing out everybody's answers and talking about them during the stream. I know a lot of people are like, this is so tedious. I don't care. I'm training here. Right? This is coaching. This is what we're doing here. Um, Michael. Hi! Wait. I think you're new.

[00:11:08] Hi, Michael. Defensive player seems to have dived, so not under control. Free hit attack, 10 minute yellow card. So, do players have to be under control? Is that in itself a foul? Or, or what you're saying is, he… He caused danger to his opponent because he was not in control of his body. Okay. Jonathan, why only two minutes?

[00:11:34] This is a breakdown of play. Through a slide tackle, making contact. We not meant to give a yellow for that now. This is not a slide tackle. This isn't a slide tackle. And this is what I mean by using, being very precise about language. Every time a player goes to ground, that is not always a slide tackle.

[00:11:53] Slides involve players going to ground and their momentum continuing in a way that they don't have control over, because they went down at pace and their momentum continues. That is a slide. That is not a fall. That is not a block. Okay? So, I think it's important for us to understand the difference between a slide and other forms of potentially dangerous play, because the briefing should not be applied to every situation that we see on the pitch where a player goes down.

[00:12:33] Okay? Very important. Very important. Mbeno, good to see you, friend. Good to have you. Mbeno just bought the Mission Control Positioning Course, so I can't wait to see them go through it and learn stuff. And Dawn's here! Hi! Dawn, you were on the screen last week. Dawn. I said that very Bostonian. I, I, I showed off a picture, the picture of us.

[00:12:56] Last week, he missed it. Collinge, Mr. Matt, the blue player creates danger by going to ground and contacting the attacker. That's a 10 minute yellow card for you. Okay, there you go. Rachel, reckless as to result, going to ground, making the tackle. Player brought down, free hit attack and a 10 minute yellow card.

[00:13:13] Uh, Ribhu, the player goes to ground and makes the tackle reckless to the result and goes through to get the ball and brings the player to ground for you. It's a 10 minute. Taco, you noticed the one umpire indicated play on while the other carded. No, you're not seeing it wrong. That's exactly what happened.

[00:13:31] So the umpire that we can see on the screen there is the person that we would normally allocate as the controlling umpire. And. They are the one to whom that the play is coming towards, they are closest to it, it is coming towards their circle, and you can see in point, he's like, the ball is right there, and that is often used as a signal by umpires to say, We're playing that on, it's right there.

[00:13:59] Let's go. And it was the trailing umpire, supporting umpire, whatever you like to call them. It was the supporting umpire who made the decision from potentially a bit of a distance away.

[00:14:19] Let's see, shorthand. I know, but you have, you have like 250 characters. Like just make the most of them as much as you can. Um, blue deliberately moves into the path of white who is going at speed and cannot change direction quickly. He commits a dangerous obstruction.

[00:14:40] Okay, blue 22 appears to lose control after the pirouette goes to the ground and makes a reckless tackle, causing danger and bring another player down. Yellow card 10. Defender could not have made that tackle stood up, but did not dive. Okay, tell me more about this, Godders, because this is the first time anybody has noticed or has gone Um, seemingly, perhaps in another direction, Luke, the defender goes to ground and makes the tackle, but in doing so puts the attacker in danger because of the speed, high impact and high danger leads to the yellow card.

[00:15:17] Alistair, you agree with the answers above and added that the defender moved into the line of the attacker. Attacker tried to go around to the right, but wasn't able to avoid him. Ten minute yellow card for you. Attacker is in control and reaches across the path with a long barrier, um, at speed, it's dangerous, certainly a five minute yellow, you think you would probably go with a ten, Godders.

[00:15:37] It was a low body position, but by going low, the attacker was almost certain to end up going over the low defender. Okay, I would like everybody… To take a look. First of all, I'm not saying this is the determinative factor. It is not. However, are we all in agreement factually that in terms of the stick that the defender uses, that they make a clean tackle on the ball?

[00:16:08] That there is no stick obstruction and the stick is in position to tackle the ball. And the ball is taken. Okay.

[00:16:22] If he was merely bending over, says Mr. Dyhrberg, bending over to make that flat stick tackle and got the same result, body contact, would people be asking for the same card?

[00:16:36] Now we're starting to get somewhere. I want you to ask questions. We are going to work through this.

[00:16:48] Luke, the speed of it meant that even though the attacker tried to change direction, he had nowhere to go and couldn't not fall over the defender. Okay. Now let's see if everybody's okay. Neil, you think the blue gets ball first and the attacker ran into him. Okay. Thank you, Neil. The outcome though, let's separate that out.

[00:17:11] There's no chance he will avoid contact. Okay. That's absolutely true. Whose fault is it?

[00:17:21] I would like to know. So, as a defender, put yourself in playing shoes, is the defender not, how, how can the defender make a clean tackle without the attacker's body going into him in this situation?

[00:17:47] Because he cleanly takes the ball with the stick,

[00:17:53] okay? And as Mr. Dyhrberg pointed out, If his knees weren't on the ground, for example, and he wasn't bending quite so low, would we say all of a sudden, Oh, well, that's the attacker's responsibility now to run into him. There's no way that's a card or foul. The tackle was clean, says Anthony Trotman. Good to see you, friend.

[00:18:16] And the clean tackle's not questioned. Thank you. I'm glad everybody's on agreement with that. Iain, the blue gets the ball well done. However, the action left white with no other place to go.

[00:18:27] And whose fault is that? Okay. I'm going to go to, hopefully, well, this isn't working.

[00:18:40] Oh, I know why that's not working. Hang on. I didn't start up video pencil. That's why. And I got to select the camera source. Don't worry, I got this, I got this, friends, on the fly, as you do, uh, as I do. And I'm going to go like this, video, pencil, camera. There we go.

[00:19:07] Oh, it's not working. Okay. So I'm going to do it this way. Now, watch very carefully as the ball's coming through. Are we all in agreement that the defender is in front of the ball carrier? Pretty much in line. He is maybe one step. He's five meters away, and there is one step to the left that would put him directly in front of the ball carrier, okay?

[00:19:44] As the attacker comes in, watch the control that the attacker has on the ball. He actually loses control here, okay?

[00:19:57] And there is no movement. No real movement of the attacker to the side that evades the defender in any way. Is the defender not allowed to, or permitted to reach out with a reverse stick and try to make this tackle here? Because that's what y'all are saying to me right now, is that he's got to, he's just got to let it go.

[00:20:26] He's not allowed to tackle on the reverse if the attacker is coming body to body.

[00:20:38] If he tackled on the fore stick, there would be no contacts. There was an option to tackle without contact, but are we asking the attacker to run a different line to allow that? Are we asking the defender not to use a reverse stick tackle? Okay. Questions. Stick gets the ball. The tackle is illegal because of the body contact.

[00:20:57] Should the defender be in a position to make a tackle without body contact? Yes. And I think he is if the attacker actually tries to go around him.

[00:21:11] Let's see, Simon, if we apply that to a goalkeeper, attacker running into a goalkeeper who isn't moving, we wouldn't give the 10 minute yellow card to the goalkeeper. So. Yeah, not convinced. Neither am I, neither am I, I'm asking questions. We're working through this. Anthony, Anthony has strong feelings today.

[00:21:37] Thank you, Run DMC. The attacker saw the defender and moved the ball to the right. This is evidence that he at least was able to recognize the defender's presence. Okay. If the defender matches the speed and direction, then there should be an opportunity to make a clean tackle. Is the tackle clean if body contact cannot be avoided?

[00:21:52] Simply by. Action of the reverse stick be reverse stick to fore stick. That means the two bodies are in line with each other and somebody's going to lose. But are we saying that simply because the attacker, it has the ball there, that a defender isn't entitled to make that.

[00:22:18] I'm, I'm repeating myself and I'm yet, I need to be. You guys need to argue against the case that I've just made somehow.

[00:22:32] Can't see how the defender got into that position, but a normal tackle by a defender in the middle of the pitch would be more upright. Well, Yeah, yeah, it could be, but it would mean that he can't stretch quite as far. It means that he's going to be a little off balance. A player with great physical dexterity and mobility, perhaps players who are comfortable playing indoor hockey and things like that are able to get that low and keep their head up and keep their chest up.

[00:23:00] That's what getting that low with the lower body does instead of bending over. So this is a skill question that we're, that we're wondering. You think he should have got his feet around because it's illegal to tackle with the reverse stick?

[00:23:19] The defender played the ball first, and then the contact defender has the right to hold his position.

[00:23:27] Gaurav, what do you have to say here? We can see the attacker goes onto the defender's body. You don't think it should be a card. We're asking the defender, says Steven, to make the tackle that avoids body contact. At that speed and that sudden shift from both players, we're asking a lot from them in a nanosecond, you're trending towards play.

[00:23:45] I can't wait to see the poll results. Oh, you know what I didn't do is I didn't start my soothing music. That you, that y'all are going to be able to hear now, cause I gotta have it set up right. This is what helps me rant less. Just a little music in the whole background.

[00:24:06] Okay?

[00:24:10] I like the fact that people are watching what the defender's doing, but I'm not sure if I agree with the evaluation that the defender has all the responsibility here to avoid physical contact because there's no way he can make that clean tackle with his stick. He's in front of the ball. It's coming towards him.

[00:24:33] But it's just coming on that side of his body and now he's not allowed to attempt a tackle because the attacker is going to run into him?

[00:24:43] Just like with danger, we have to make a decision as to who causes it. The danger. Who causes the body contact? Absolutely. Defender can't tackle without body contact, but who's creating it? Does the defender have to get out of this attacker's way, even though they can reach the ball? It should be an option.

[00:25:09] Sorry, I screwed that up. I wonder if I can change. Let's see if I can change the…

[00:25:23] I don't think I can change the, the poll options on the fly. And it's not working in Chrome anyway.

[00:25:31] Then just put a free hit to the, ask for a free hit for the defense, then. If you think it's a play on, I will accept either. I mean, that can also be an advantage. I mean, the, when you think, if you went the way that this is not a foul by the attacker, he's got a defender, or… A foul by the defender. He's got an attacker.

[00:25:56] He's just gone over him pretty damn hard.

[00:26:07] Okay, okay, okay. So maybe I didn't put all the correct options or all the possible options. And usually I allow people to add options. Can you write in your own option, friends? Alistair, when determining obstruction, do we look at the tackle itself or the lines that the attacker and the defender take to realize the tackle?

[00:26:26] Um, we look at all those things. Look at all those things.

[00:26:36] Because that helps inform us who created the body content.

[00:26:45] Am I saying the fault was in White? Asked Jonathan, hence the other umpire waved the play on as advantage. No, I think, I think he was just showing a play on because it doesn't matter either way. It wasn't an intentional foul by White, if it was a foul by White, so he can either play advantage or he can play on.

[00:27:06] Much room in front of that player to go. Anthony, it's curious that we deem the defender as reckless, but not the attacker for being reckless in his run. It's almost giving license for attackers to run on defenders because they have the ball. I agree, Anthony. I do agree, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a defender.

[00:27:27] I'm saying that because I see this as a highly risky, but well executed skill.

[00:27:39] And I know that when I'm trying to go around players, I don't get just to, to put the ball past them and then go through them body to body. I can't do that. I have to actually go around them if they are in the space first. And this player is in the space first.

[00:28:04] Where is the poll? Uh, that's a great question.

[00:28:10] Can I do that? Can I do that? Maybe a mod can copy the comment from above and the hyperlink that's there. You missed your five seconds of fame as I'm scrolling the comments again. And yeah, it's right at the top of the server, um, channel listing. Luke, you don't think the defender has all the responsibility, but you worry.

[00:28:37] Whether the attacker has any chance of avoiding contact, I was uncertain today and still uncertain now. Well, I think he does have opportunity if he actually moves the ball and moves himself, but he just doesn't. He is at full speed. Look at him. He is dribbling. Actually, he gets the ball there just after the 23, gets around another player.

[00:28:58] So he's gonna be beating his third player. And, you're already starting to lose your peripheral awareness, you're starting to tire, you're starting to put your head down, the chances of you mishandling the ball start to increase because it's just a function of time. The longer you have the ball, the more chances it is that you're gonna lose it just by misplaying it, and he does.

[00:29:24] He loses control of the ball just before this. Now, I think that's why he kept going straight. Because he tried to make a maneuver just before that contact, and he was going to flip the ball over to the right and he missed it. And then he's like, Oh crap, I still have the ball here. Bang. And it happens in a split second.

[00:29:50] And we must accept, says Anthony, players of all sports. So while sometimes look bad, they are sometimes within the rule, no matter how bad they look. Every bad looking situation isn't always a fault, yes. So what Anthony's speaking to is something that I really try to guard against, and that's why I really try to get to do we agree on the facts, do we agree on the principles, and don't call things on emotion just because something looks bad, because a player goes flipping over.

[00:30:16] We had this disagreement, I think, um, I remember when we were talking about, oh, we were at the conference, we were at NPUA conference, and a clip was shown of a Canadian attacker running at a defender from another, I can't remember what it was. I think it was an Australian defender or Kiwi. It was one of those two because they, they got, they ended up colliding and the Australian player made, it was very similar to this.

[00:30:52] Oh, I should have pulled it out as a referential clip. I'm sorry. I'll do that in the server if I can, if I can find the original one. And the clean tackle was made, the attacker continued into the defender, who was very, very low to the ground, just like this. And the attacker ran straight into the guy, over top, and as the defender stood up, the attacker got flipped over.

[00:31:15] His back, it looked horrible. It looked like it could have been a pile driver and everybody was screaming for a 10 minute yellow card. And I'm like, why have you ever made a tackle like that where you were perfectly situated, you were still, you had your space, you made the tackle cleanly, strongly, the attacker continues running into you.

[00:31:39] And all of a sudden there is like 180 pounds of athlete on top of you? What are you supposed to do? Just be like, Oh, I'm here. Allow me to levitate you off me very carefully. That's my responsibility now. Or Holy crap. If this person gets the better of you, weight wise, you're falling awkwardly. Your knee's going one away while your foot goes to the other.

[00:32:03] There goes your ACL, your MCL, your LCL, whatever it is. And who knows what you pull, strain, break, if you don't try to get out of that situation and use that player's momentum to push them off. That is self defense, my friends. That's the argument I made at conference and I wasn't very popular. Bob, you remember that?

[00:32:28] You remember that?

[00:32:32] If, uh, yeah, I know, I know, but what we're looking at, we can still discuss the principles. So let's get back to some of the factors that I want us to consider here. Is that we have a play where, let's see if I can get back to the video pencil here. No, I can't get back to the video pencil. Okay. The play starts deep in the opposing circle.

[00:33:01] Okay. When this happens, and you see the transition going, as the umpire who's controlling the opposite circle, you are on your bike. You are absolutely on your bike. And nothing that happens right here in this area, behind the 23 for example, should be your responsibility whatsoever. You're like, bye, bitch.

[00:33:23] Sorry. You're, you're like, bye. I'm out of here. And you're gonna leave that to the umpire who's been controlling that circle. That circle. That circle. That hurts.

[00:33:37] Okay? Because you need to get, so this would be Martin's call. The umpire who is controlling the, that, that circle. Okay? Everything's fine there, but now the play is moving rapidly away, and there are now, look, there are bodies.

[00:34:02] There are, as we get to this tackle, no bodies except for the defender's body in between the ball carrier and the umpire. This play should be this umpire's responsibility. He is late. Okay. He's, he's probably been helping up too high. He's been helping out to the side. He's got a long way to run. He's not doing mission critical positioning, so it makes it a little bit more difficult.

[00:34:32] So when he's making this decision, he is running away from the play, looking over his shoulder. And that makes it very difficult to make this call and to present it in a way that convinces everybody that you had it the whole way. That said, he makes his decision.

[00:34:57] So what you want to consider as a supporting colleague here is whether you truly have a better angle than your controlling umpire

[00:35:09] and just stepping in and making the decision before you've even had a chance to say anything to your colleague is risky. You better be a hundred percent sure. And that's probably where Marten was on this one. He was a hundred percent sure, but I think he was 51 percent wrong.

[00:35:35] Good to see you, Mr. Dyhrberg. Um, you remember that one? Yeah, there are two polls for today. We're looking at number one. Thank you. I'm glad that I actually got something right in the server. Um, there you go. And Bob does remember that. Okay. Remember how unpopular my decision, my, my opinion was? But I did have a few people come up to me afterwards and say, Oh, actually I agreed with you.

[00:36:02] And yeah, my hockey stick run. Jonathan's decided that this is a thing, that I've actually injected Canadian sports principles into mission critical positioning. Very intentionally.

[00:36:17] Not very intentionally. Jaco, how you doing there? Think of another way to phrase it. I'm always up for good rewording. If the defender did not close the gate, the attacker had space to exit the tackle safely. He declined the opportunity to exit safely, thus creating the reckless play. And you're saying the attacker

[00:36:35] created the reckless play, created the contact, and created his own fall. So it should be a 10 minute yell against the attacker. I think that's a bit harsh. I'd still go with the play on there. I think it's really hard to ascribe responsibility to the attacker here, to the extent that he's being reckless.

[00:36:56] I think he just, he caused his own danger, really. And I think I'd be okay with that. You still feel the player is asking to get his neck broken, be there low and facing how he is giving the oncoming player. Well, that's his, that's his risk. That's the danger he takes on himself. The question is, does he create danger for the opposing player?

[00:37:18] Is that what he's doing? If the attack had clipped him badly, it could have been a serious injury. But, but you don't yellow card a player for, for that player putting themselves in a dangerous position. They just don't get the benefit. And that's where I kind of say… You know, uh, giving the attacker a yellow card here is tough.

[00:37:41] More, more maple syrup in my positioning!

[00:37:47] Boo just turned up and said play on attacker caused it. Ladies and gentlemen,

[00:37:56] Look, kid got game. I'm just saying, she got game. Angles are everything. Now you've looked at it again, you realize that I've given green cards and yellow cards to attackers for doing this very thing, running into the defender. Okay, let's have a look at the poll options and see where we're at. What I hope that we got out of this discussion is an understanding of what we're looking for.

[00:38:23] Is the defender in the space first? Oh, I know what's happening. Come on. It just, it just logs itself out. It logs itself out.

[00:38:41] I just, I'll be with you in a second. I'll be right back.

[00:38:53] Hi! Okay, here we are. Let's see. Wooo! This looks good. We have 50 percent with a free hit for defense slash play on. And we have basically the other 50 percent either wanting a yellow card. Or a 10 minute or a 5 minute yellow card. Nobody just picked a green card, which was what was actually given in the game.

[00:39:19] And I think that's the key here. This happened at the 40 minute mark. So we are 10 minutes into the third quarter. In what was at the time, I think, 2 0. Close and tense game. We've gone through a little bit. If this is truly physical and dangerous… This is not a green card, just by danger, it's not a green card, just by impact, given what was happening at the time.

[00:39:54] Okay. I mean, I don't know why these Dutch teams don't play defense. It's just scary. But here is, he gets through that and he's got his guy out on the right wing. He's through. He's through. This is a big play. So if this is a foul against the defense, this is a high impact, high danger, gotta start with a five.

[00:40:17] It's not because it's a slide tackle, friends. Stop using slides as a word crutch to give you a black and white decision because this is not black and white. It is not a slide.

[00:40:33] Hey, don't have to apologize. I'm just glad you're here. Just… You know, you can catch up and you've seen people running into defenders and trying to get a card or a team penalty, and it's not given their way. You hope that you never penalize. Hey, look, we make this mistake. It happens all the time, right?

[00:40:49] Mistake. This is a really, really hard decision. We've watched it now, what, 50 times in slow mo? So I can understand. I can absolutely understand how this gets wrong. It's very hard to see in split second moments. All the things that I've pointed out. Oh, the attacker actually loses the ball a little bit just before the tackle comes in, that the defender's already in place.

[00:41:18] But that's what you have to study is the defender is in place. They are in their space. They're allowed to, you know, reach out to get the ball. And it's not like he only gets it with the toe of his stick. It's like in the middle of his stick. It's, it's a damn good tackle.

[00:41:38] Yeah. And you don't think it's reckless by either. Defender chooses to make a risky tackle that works out. Yeah. Absolutely. Nope. I, Don, good work. Good work. Good work. If you're agreeing with me, it's good work. So just going back to the poll just to make sure that everybody is, uh, in accordance here. Yeah, we only had 16 of you voting, but come on.

[00:42:01] We need more. We need more votes, but I like it. I like the discussion. I like what we pointed out, and I hope what I've given you are just a few thoughts that you can take. Into your next game, how do I focus on the defender? How much onus am I putting on them to get out of the way of a player who is just barreling down straight at them?

[00:42:23] And luckily, for most of us, the levels of play that we're doing occur much more slowly than this. If we got ourselves into good mission control positioning, so that the play is moving towards us, When we have open positioning, instead of running away from it, looking over our left shoulder and getting chased by the play, which constricts our view, constricts our perception, makes us look at the play like it's a vertical Instagram reel.

[00:42:50] Coming towards us, we're going to be able to see all the context and all the information about where that defender has or has not moved. What the attacker has or has not done,

[00:43:04] and it is difficult. Um, yeah, they, hopefully, if they come to these sessions, they'll see how difficult it is, and how much discussion that we have in order to try to really exercise our muscles and work through the principles. Respect to the defender though for the sheer balls, the sheer balls to make that tackle, knowing you're going to put your head in punch prime trample territory.

[00:43:30] Absolutely. It is critical, isn't it? Excellent. Okay. Let's, um, what should I do next? What should I do next? Up and yeah, let's do this part. Since I've talked about it, you might as well get the sales pitch. Hi, did you know that I have a course on mission critical positioning? If you didn't, you do now. And look, I made like a really pretty landing page for it.

[00:43:56] So there's a QR code. There's a QR code right there! You can scan it right now and you can go have a look at it. If you are a new FHu3t Yellow member, so if you're at the $37 a month level, this is included in your membership. Plus you get all the other goodness that Yellow gives. Okay, so just, I'm just letting you know.

[00:44:19] FHumpires. com forward slash mcp. Do I have this? Um, um, FH, uh, I'm usually better at typing than this. There. It's in the comments. And I'm actually, like, I'm kind of mad at myself that I keep mentioning it, but also, I keep mentioning it because it truly is the foundation of everything that we're talking about.

[00:44:46] And if you were at the NPUA conference, as Bob was, Uh, I think you're probably the only one here that was. Roel van Eert stood up on the stage, Paris Olympic UM coming up. And he said, basically, here is the way we should be positioning ourselves and it was MCP. In half an hour, he gave like a rough overview of my course.

[00:45:17] And I, I felt good. I felt good about it. It's coming gang. It's coming. Everybody is going to be doing this the next few years. The question is, are you starting now or are you going to start later? Those are the only questions in front of you. Okay. So there you go. You will, you will not regret it. Oh, did you sign up?

[00:45:40] Thank you, Simon. That's very exciting. Very exciting. Okay. And you started it and it's still a way to go through. Okay. It, it might be a bit long. We've met. It's now 12:48, and we've gone through one scenario. Argh! I did it again. Okay. Here's our next topic. Let's go. The other Hadiyem and Pinoke tackle. This isn't going to take as long, honestly.

[00:46:07] There is a poll, hopefully going up. Yep. There it is. This was on the icons, Instagram, and I just flashed through it because literally that's all you got. So this is somebody's iPhone footage and thank you very much icons on Instagram. Follow them because they do have lots of. of great footage from the, uh, Dutch leagues.

[00:46:31] And I have blown this up and made it bigger and zoomed in. And the question asked on the reel was foul or no foul, to which I say, what?

[00:46:52] Like a really, really, did I, I am going to ask him kindly. I have asked him and he agreed, but I'm going to have to ask him again. When I send it to him, if he would have a look at it and review it and let me know what he thinks of the course itself, because I'm here for feedback and I want to make it better, so thank you very much.

[00:47:16] I appreciate it. Um, so the things that I want to talk about, about this particular play. Are as follows, or this posting, is that just like with the other tackle that we saw before, it is really difficult to get full context of everything from a small vertical reel that is edited in a certain way. And yeah, Dunn, you do want to see the three seconds before this clips, because let me, let me pause it.

[00:47:49] And bring it right back. This is right at the beginning of the clip. Now I couldn't, I couldn't, this wasn't part of the, um, icons highlight package. This is obviously from something else. But as I drag this, can I play it very slowly? Is it working? Nope, it's moving now.

[00:48:21] Unfortunately I can't scroll it that way. But what I want you to look at… Is what happens right here with the ball. Player, attacker, ball carrier, puts the ball up with 3D skill, and watch the defender stick.

[00:48:40] Wow! Ouch. So if the question is foul or no foul, the question, the answer is foul. But it's probably not the foul that they saw, because this is literally seconds into this. Everything that happens after that moment is just…

[00:49:04] Let's see if… Oh, it worked! Oh, you guys. This is exciting moments.

[00:49:18] Okay, look, look,

[00:49:23] okay, I'm gonna scroll and

[00:49:31] okay, so, and given what we've got here, whole bunch of space, danger, who knows what time it was in the game. You could play this on, potentially, but I think you've got a really good case here. Here, I can slow this down.

[00:49:59] Okay, you I just keep It just Instinctively, it makes me hurt. And then we've got two players, neither of whom have their hands on their sticks, who are battling it out shoulder to shoulder. And whether there's another foul after this moment, after the moment of the haystack obstruction on the 3D, uh, tackle attempt, that clearly was not dangerous because he was dribbling straight ahead and not at this defender.

[00:50:36] Okay, as we're watching this, the ball is now ducked ahead. It's a little bit out of control. We get contact there. We've got the attacker just slightly ahead. Okay, attacker using arm to brace against defender. Defender, using arm to push off attacker, gang, this is a corner, back earlier,

[00:51:12] and a card for the attempt, the reckless attempt and danger. Now, what can we learn from

[00:51:24] the play? Am I going to talk about mission critical positioning again? Yes, I am. Because we have the umpire here. is essentially in line with the play in the square. They are never going to be able to see this body contact. And if you're gonna expect your colleague who has been running up to make that decision for you, I think you're a meanie.

[00:51:54] I think that's meanie pants, okay? Now he's got two players, potentially, Blocking is a vision of anything that happens there. Okay. Happy place. Oh, you can't see behind my big,

[00:52:18] but this umpire, had they been closer to their happy place here would have had an angle back and been able to have a better opportunity to see any of that body contact. Let's see what y'all have to say. I know I gave you the answers. Thank you very much for the, um, thumbs up so far, but if you like what you're seeing and you think you're getting value out of this broadcast, please hit the like button and give a little subscribe if you haven't already.

[00:52:54] I have a lot of returning viewers and I love you all. Thank you very much for keep coming, but if you're brand new, welcome. Give us a sub. I work hard on these shows. Okay, um, let's see. Good to see you, Bob. Thank you. Take back to the first and a free hit attack. Um, yeah. Exactly, right, Luke? And we talk about this all the time.

[00:53:16] I talk about how missing the first instant, instance, leads to an escalation of conflict between the players because they don't feel safe. That attacker does not feel protected, and that defender's like, Oh, well, I'm gonna get away with stuff. And then the attacker pushes him, and the defender's like, Yeah, I'm just gonna wipe you away.

[00:53:37] Escalation. Retaliation. Anything you want to call it. Slashing. Look! This is not ice hockey!

[00:53:50] And let's see, where are we at? Um, let's see, green card could be yellow too. Yeah, it's, it's, it's hard to know without knowing what kind of repetition is there. I think in terms of that level of danger, if there had been no repetition, I don't think it's such high impact that I would say, yeah, that's a yellow impact.

[00:54:14] And I don't think it's a yellow, uh, danger. So I would need all the factors of the repetition. And if you're wondering what I'm talking about with. Repetition, danger, impact, RDI, it's a handy new acronym that I've just kind of pulled out of my butt that I think accurately It helps us distill the guidance that we see in the FIH briefing and apply it to our control elevator and how we move up and down cards.

[00:54:42] If you want to hear more about that, come to the, uh, come to the Discord server and I can point you in the right direction. And yeah, lots of potential to be unsighted. Who knows? Uh, the initial reckless tackle happens outside the 23. Yep. Right at the end of the defender is able to push the ball into the foot.

[00:55:01] Yeah. But, and so you. What, what may have happened is that this becomes a. Um, a free hit for the defense because of the foot, because that's the easy thing to see. But all the other things that were dangerous didn't get looked after, and that can be really, that can be negative. Uh, yes, they would have had a better view, and the dangerous plate, yep.

[00:55:32] Yeah, but you would, you would, I think you would award that foul. You would award the free hit attack, you would not be upgrading that to a penalty corner at that moment, because that's where the breakdown happens. It was the extras, the nexts, the… Extra pushes that happened out there. Let's see what you guys had to say.

[00:55:52] Is this going to work? Don't, don't you make me log in again, Discord. I was so close. And what do we got? We've got a play on. Um, we have four free hits. Oh, yeah, because I didn't give you a free hit attack on a card, did I? But at least you saw a free hit attack. Repetition unclear. Danger, yes, but low to mid.

[00:56:17] Impact, low. Conclusion, green card. Sounds very scientific when you say it like that. Okay. Good talk, friends. It's time for some announcements. Announcements.

[00:56:32] There we go. The screen wasn't changing. Um, a couple people that I would like to shine a light on, okay? First of all, Chad Fourie. Now, you may not know who Chad Fourie is, if you've been around the FHu3t. You're like, I'm not sure if I know this guy. This is one of my OGs. Chad was a yellow member before yellow had even yellowed.

[00:57:02] He was in there like swimwear. He, right from the start, and popped me a DM this morning, if you haven't been on Facebook and seen all of the people who received upgrade letters today, go, because it's super fun. Everybody has like the identical letter, it's really cute. And I congratulate every single one of them, and I especially congratulate Chad.

[00:57:24] For making it up to the FIH outdoor panel. So hang on, this should work!

[00:57:34] Thank you for letting me and

[00:57:41] the third team be a part of your journey. Because that's why we're here, is to progress you to the level that you are aiming for. That is our job. The other person that I want to shine a light on as well is this fantastic human being. This is Gayatri Lodha. And I am particularly amazed and cheering for what this person has done, because you don't know how hard it is for women in India to progress through umpiring ranks.

[00:58:18] It is very, very difficult. They are fighting forces that I do not understand. And over the last couple years, I've been… Trying to help Gayatri in any way I can, but I've felt very, um, powerless, I guess, because I don't understand. I don't understand how you can look at somebody who clearly has the dedication, the work ethic, the intelligence, the, all the skills.

[00:58:43] She's got the skillset to be a top notch umpire. And there were just blocks in her way and obstacles. Well, everybody, she broke through and got an appointment to the hockey India sub junior men and women West West zone championship. That's happening in, I'm going to say it wrong. So I'm not going to say it, but it's going on right now.

[00:59:05] If you go to hockey India's Twitter feed, they're reporting the results there. And. I mean, she's just such an amazing person, and I mean, so many times she thought, you know, she wasn't going to be able to keep going, and I just kept saying, just don't give up, don't, just keep trying, keep trying, keep trying, eventually they're going to get so tired of you that they're going to say yes.

[00:59:27] And, it worked. So Gayatri, get your confetti, girl, because you earned it. I hope you're having a fantastic time at the tournament. I can't wait to hear how it goes, and we are all very, very, um, excited. Yes, we can get congrats for Zoe and for all of the other umpires that received their outdoor panels. Iain, I just particularly highlight people who I have spent time with and who have invested their energy and done a shit ton of work.

[00:59:56] I'm talking a shit ton of work. Gayatri would be up at three o'clock in the morning and she would be joining watch parties and joining debriefs and receiving coaching and mentoring from me. That is what I'm congratulating because that's her strength and her initiative and her resolve to get the results that she wants.

[01:00:14] So that's where I really want to congratulate that. Absolutely. Right. There you go. Getting up for huddles. That's what she did. Just crazy, crazy times. Okay, so, yes. Yay to all of them. Okay, Luke's getting pizza. Congratulations. Okay, and a couple people who are new, well, Hatty's not new. I mean, Hatty's been around, so, but she just joined herself up as a green, uh, FHu3t green member.

[01:00:52] Thank you very much, Hatty. Let's move that here. I'm so glad you're around. So, with the green, you get access to the Clip Library, as well as the ability to join and watch parties now. So, I, I think they're pretty dope. And I've realized just how much of an asset it is to be able to sit down with people.

[01:01:12] It's like going to a stadium and watching live and listening to a coach lead you through the game. And over the last few years, I've watched probably a couple hundred matches with, uh, with the third team. And… Dissecting, okay, watch that thing. Let's see what happens next. And we're watching the games. Most often we're watching them live.

[01:01:36] So I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm like, that is important. Let's see what happens in the next five minutes. And then suddenly, bang, there comes the next breakdown tackle, the next one and the next one. So I think they're really great learning opportunities, and that's going to be available to you.

[01:01:50] If you join through Team Yellow, there's a QR code. You can learn more about it there. And Jonathan Rogers, who has joined up with the yellow team, and that means you not only get the clip library and the watch parties, but also debriefs and huddles. So if you get your own matches videoed, and it can be your best friend standing up on a hill behind you.

[01:02:15] The goal and videoing you as you're moving around on the pitch, bring that and we will debrief and I will give you some coaching as well as the rest of the third of the yellow team joins in and can make their contributions and we're all here learning together and coaching together. So, yeah.

[01:02:38] Congratulations. I'm just so excited that confetti works. I just want to get it, get it going all the time. There you go. Sebastian, I've missed you. Where have you been? There's the comment. There you go. And there it is. Thank you very much, Gaurav. I appreciate you. Um, I actually Googled the pronunciation of the province.

[01:03:02] Yeah, Chhattisgarh, because I thought that has to be something funky. That's got to be something difficult, but it's like Chhattisgarh. Okay. I can say that. Chhattisgarh. In the West Zone, but, uh, I, I, I try to say things right when I can. And there you go. The QR code's not working. Damn it.

[01:03:26] Um,

[01:03:30] try that.

[01:03:35] Look, it's just, it's just like umpiring. You go out there and you do your best and you make mistakes and you're very public. Everybody can see the mistakes that you're making. That's what live streaming is like. Okay. Let's get onto our third topic. That's one of six.

[01:04:00] Oh, also Dutch. Okay. This came up in the server and I was like, Oh, this is really good AMA kind of material because we were having a discussion about a piece of video from one of our yellow members, Matches, his name is Joep. And we were having a long chat about, you know, what happened, what decision was arrived at, what kind of positioning led to the decision and all that sort of thing.

[01:04:27] Kind of like what I would do here. And then Taco came in with this really interesting perspective and raised a bit of a challenge about what you do when things aren't very clear. Are we looking for, um, so in this case, he's asking. If I don't see the contact, but I think there may have been contact, you know, how much of the foul or how much of the contact do I really need to see before I call it and is deducing it good enough or do I, do I have to see everything about that foul?

[01:05:11] I'm So, there you go. Um, his name is Red. It's true. It's true. Sorry. I mis I misnamed him. I'm so embarrassed. Uh, Red. So, I'll show you what the play was. And I don't want us to get sort of misled into really dissecting, you know, what was called and why in the moment. Because we've already done that work. And we don't drag.

[01:05:43] And… We've already done this coaching, just saying. Come into the server and you can go into ask, ask FHU and you can see all that result. But what, what I can draw your attention to in this case is the difficulty at the angle that you might be at looking at this play of seeing the contact that's there.

[01:06:05] Can you actually see it with certainty? How much certainty do you need to have in order to figure this out? Because one of the things that I said about this play… Is that

[01:06:20] it's difficult to imagine that an attacker is going to want to go down into a slide themselves when they are about to take a reverse tomahawk shot. They are going to be off balance, they're going to be leaning that way, but do they want to actually… That isn't looping.

[01:06:48] Let's get this started again. So if you're not in a position to see all the contact… And you see a player go down into a slide and you assume that they've done that intentionally. There's a deduction that you've made in that process that they were in control of their actions and they wanted to go into this reckless, does not have control of their body motion that then endangers and takes down an opponent and then you get to the result that was given here.

[01:07:28] Which, as we covered, I see this, and my deductions of what I can see from this fisheye lens at this angle, all that sort of thing, is that I highly doubt that this attacker Wanted to go down in this moment and lose control of the ball. , they were trying to make a reverse stick tomahawk and they got pushed.

[01:08:01] So can I absolutely CL establish with all degrees of certainty. That, that's exactly what happened. Let's have a look at whether I can see a little bit more here, and I'm going to slow this right down. Where's my pencil? Where's my pencil? Okay. So what we've got is a pretty flat angle here. Okay. Not great.

[01:08:28] And that's what makes this very difficult. And you've also got, look,

[01:08:38] you got one, two, and then you've got the third defender's body in the way of everything that you need to be able to see in this moment, but here's the attacker in the backswing. Oh, yeah, there we go. Get that nice and big. In the backswing,

[01:09:01] and

[01:09:06] in this moment, he goes from a backswing to collapsing on the ground. And in that moment, do we think that a player in control, that's their intention, that they want to go down to the ground there and therefore create danger for the defender, who is chasing them. And my statement was that you can deduce in this moment that this guy is very likely being fouled and being put down to the ground there.

[01:09:46] And even if you can't see it very specifically, you see enough. And so, Taco's question, again, is a really good one. How much do you need to see? Do you need to see absolutely everything? Without a shadow of a doubt. So, I'd love to hear your thoughts on this sort of philosophical question, let me tell you what thoughts came into my mind when I was kind of sorting through this.

[01:10:11] And this is going to get a little bit esoteric cause you know, you know I love a good esoteric discussion, but whenever we make a decision and we're collating the facts that we have perceived, we are always deducing something out of it. When you see a ball that is moving in one direction and then goes in front of a player's foot changes direction, pops up into the air and the player breaks their stride or picks up their foot or something like that.

[01:10:51] Have you truly seen that the ball has hit that foot? Or are you making a deduction based on a few factors? 99 percent of the time, 90 percent of the time, 80 percent of the time means that there has been a foot. And are you making that deduction out of it? I don't think that this is a black and white thing.

[01:11:14] This is not a binary. There is a scale of what are well informed, extremely well informed deductions, partially informed deductions, and not very well informed deductions, guesses. And what we're looking at is getting to the point where we feel confident that we've gathered as many facts as we need to make the magnitude of the decision that is in front of us.

[01:11:44] And that is why mission critical positioning exists so that we put ourselves in a position to see as many of those facts that we need in order to make the best deduction possible, that we can put together all of those facts that we've given ourselves the opportunity to see all those things. Add them up all together, and that gives us

[01:12:09] the facts of the situation. And that's why when we watch video back and we're watching the clips and we get to see things from a couple angles and at different speeds. And we get to freeze frame and I can draw a little pictures, pardon me, on the iPad. We are giving ourselves more things that we can add into the deductive pile, which help us get to a better decision.

[01:12:38] But we still don't have all of the facts. We don't have a camera that is above the players and looking down where we can actually see without any shadow of a doubt that the ball, I got a hair on my that the ball has in fact. Struck the foot and then moved off in another direction, right? We are making deductions on that point.

[01:13:07] That's what I think. So it's a good question and it's something that we should be keeping in mind when we're applying surety standards. When it comes to calling a foul, I always say you need to be sure before you call something. And when you call a penalty corner, don't guess, you want to be sure. When you call a penalty stroke, you want to be sure.

[01:13:33] But that level of surety comes from how much information do you have, and what standard you're applying to that. Godders, putting all the clues together that you mentioned may also include payer reaction. Yes, those are Uh, that's another set of facts that we might take. Um, you can see why you have to get to your happy place as quickly as possible to really see.

[01:13:56] An alternative argument, the white tripped over himself. Black made a tackle, clear on ball. Yeah, it's possible that was there, but from how the player fell and yeah, I mean, it's, oops.

[01:14:22] So what I'm seeing is, is that you've got, this player has to reach across the body in order to access the ball that is over here. And with how upright he is, his stick, it's very difficult for him to get that reach without coming into contact with this defender's body.

[01:14:47] And if we inch it along, right there, so he may have gotten a touch there, but look at the feet. And there is the making tackle without body contact.

[01:15:05] And because he's falling backwards, In this motion

[01:15:17] and then the follow through from the defender is over top of them.

[01:15:24] So, but that's not the point. The point is, are we getting enough facts from the situation that we can deduce what happens in the moment to a level of surety that gives us the ability to call a penalty stroke? Reckless as to the result of breaking down this play.

[01:15:50] Or, can we argue for a penalty corner? I don't know. Can we say that this is a, a play on situation? That wasn't what was given here, a free hit for the defense was given, which

[01:16:09] I think, again, the defender is able to get, the defender is able to get over top.

[01:16:24] Might have been a 23 meter restart, or a 15, hard to say.

[01:16:35] So it's the notion that do we have to be 100 percent certain? Do we have to see absolutely everything or do we always make a deduction based on what we've seen? It's our experience being on the pitch and doing this more and more and more, understanding, you know what, I don't have enough information here.

[01:16:59] I didn't see like that the stick was blocking my way. I didn't see what the distance was. I didn't have a good track on the defender. I didn't, you know, and you realize that the, the things that you are looking for, the reason why I try to get all of our facts in line. Did you look at this? Did you look at this?

[01:17:15] Did you look at this? Those are all the things that we need in order to deduce the right decision. That's, that's kind of what I think.

[01:17:29] You're welcome, Taco. I hope that helped. I, I hope that made sense. Um, you know, you asked the question. I got to it this morning and, and went, Huh, that would be a good one to talk about, but this wasn't rehearsed. It wasn't, you know, I gave some thought into it, but I, it's always a work in progress. And I think that was a really interesting thing to raise.

[01:17:50] And, no. Go into the server and you can see the discussion of all that kind of thing. Okay? Um, I mean, we have ten minutes, so if you'd like to ask me… Some questions under AMA. Wait, did I do AMA? Did I do a title for AMA? I didn't do a title for AMA. So, but if you'd like to, you know, have me fill up this time, I'm here for it.

[01:18:22] The conversations that we have in the server very much… Like that. So everything that we do in a What If Wednesday is what we do in the server. And you can come in into the Ask FHU Department forum channel and post your video. I highly… I recommend and encourage video to be, uh, used because it gives us the ability to find all the facts from which we're going to deduce so we can apply what the rules are, what the interpretations are to the facts and get to the decision.

[01:18:57] If we don't have facts, we're guessing. And that's of a limited, limited utility. You're very welcome. It was good to see you at, uh, at Reading. So Stephen Smythe, not Smythe, I'm just saying you'd be a fool to call him Smythe.

[01:19:20] But there you go. I'll give you, I'll give you a couple more seconds. If anybody has anything, otherwise it was a short show. I just. Got there a little bit, you know, a lot of it later than I expected. Let's see. Oh, you just really realized they have the same name I don't know who's who who's got the same name.

[01:19:42] I don't know Okay It's not a hockey question. But is that Gustav Klimt on the wall to my left? That is Yes, that is The Kiss. It's not the original though, by the way, just in case you thought I was a closet billionaire I'm not. I'm not. It's, it's just a nice canvas, stretched frame. So that's Klimt, that's Rothko, and I like art.

[01:20:11] I'm a minimalist who likes art.

[01:20:16] If you can say the defender got the ball, could you argue attacker defender ran into each other, collided like in the first scenario, then maybe play on? Yes. That's… That's probably what I would have applied in that scenario. In that last clip, Dawn, if we deduce that the defender had caused the fall, would that not be a penalty stroke?

[01:20:33] Yeah.

[01:20:36] A 23 metre restart was, yeah. So it's, it's if you saw enough contact that you would deduce from The angle, the pressure, the way the defender, the attacker fell, the motion of the attacker over top, you know, their, their feet getting caught. So you've got all these things that are leading you to the deduction that the defender has committed a foul.

[01:21:00] To me, that's reckless as to the result. Breaking down the play would be a palm stroke. Absolutely. But if you don't have that information, if you haven't been able to see those things and you're just like, well, an attacker fell, but I'm not sure if that was caused by the defender because I didn't see enough of these things.

[01:21:16] Then the question is, I mean, I don't think the attacker commits a foul. To me, I think if they accidentally fall, they accidentally fall, you could potentially give a free hit to fence for obstruction, maybe, but the ball is going off the end line, so was it a 15, was it a 20? I don't know. The Rothko, of course, oh yeah, sorry, yeah, the Rothko's the original.

[01:21:44] It's not. Um. Any tips for off season maintaining hockey umpire skills? Hi! Have you met FHumpires? And this is not the, uh, the right answer. I'm just kidding. It is good to get away, to have rest. Uh, I don't know how to do it myself, but I've heard rumors that it's a really productive way to spend time. Uh, go do other sports ball.

[01:22:19] Do other sports ball, uh, don't officiate, read books, go traveling. I, I don't know what that is. I'm just, I'm an obsessive personality. So, don't do what I do, go have a rest. Um, not a field hockey question. Are ice hockey umpires called umpires or referees? They're refs, they're referees. And that's why everybody in North America calls us refs.

[01:22:43] And it drives me insane. We don't wear stripes. We ain't zebras. We are umpires. Um, we get into discussions when our Dutch friends in particular, uh, are around, when you, the, the dictionary translation of schreit, scheidsrechter? Of the Dutch word for umpire translates actually into referee in English. If you run it through Google Translate, that's what you get.

[01:23:17] And I'm sure in all the dictionaries, that's what they understand. And so that's why they will often use the word referee. I gently encourage them to, Hey, by the way, we have a special word. It's not a special word, but this is, this is the more correct word in our language. Just like if I tried to use a Dutch translation of something and I'm trying to speak in Dutch with somebody and I'm using the wrong word, even though the dictionary tells me it's the right word.

[01:23:46] That happened in Spanish. I was trying to describe the circle and I translated it into Spanish and it's the wrong word. And it was like, no, Arco. But that's the word, that's how we describe it in Spanish. And I'm like, okay, that's the correct word then. So we have to respect everybody else's, you know, cultural understandings.

[01:24:06] There you go. There you go. What off season, right? Exactly. Okay. Thank you so much for all of your time and energy today. I hope that was interesting and informative and challenging. Uh, that's what we do here is try to challenge ourselves, exercise our thinking muscles and develop more of a consensus because we go through these situations in the same way every time.

[01:24:34] Umpire comes from cricket, where field hockey comes from, uh, use of the cricket pitch during winter. Maybe, maybe. That's one assumption you can make, but is it, is it the correct one? I don't know. I will leave it to that. Morries, great to have you again. I'm glad you've become a regular fixture. It's nice to see you every time and, uh, come into the server and say hi if you didn't know what the server is.

[01:25:04] Here it is. Dawn, it was so good to see you. I'm glad that you popped by. It's not often that I get to hang out with you and we will see you in the server. We'll see you in the Mission Critical Positioning course, and we will see you next week on what of Wednesday. Thanks for being here. Have fun.

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